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Have you done drugs?| Yes, lots and lots |
14.0%, 6 votes | Yes, I smoked the ganja |
20.9%, 9 votes | Yes, but I regret it |
7.0%, 3 votes | I might, but I just don't care right now |
2.3%, 1 vote | No, I just don't feel right about it |
55.8%, 24 votes | Multi-voting is disabled.
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 1982/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| I look at the BAD drugs like crack and see the real harm. I look at relatively harmless drugs like MDMA, psilocybin, Lysergic Acid, Marijuana, etc. and see no more harm than alcohol or tobacco. And the people I linked to didn't do "heavy" drugs, except for the leader of the "free" world and The Beatles. I should also note than 40 odd percent of American have tried marijuana, and over 70 % of Canadians have tried it. Last I checked there weren't over 100 million people living in hell in America, nor do 20 million Canadians. |
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Dracoon Zelda The temp ban/forum ban bypasser! Level: 84  Posts: 1960/3727 EXP: 5514391 For next: 147561 Since: 03-25-04 From: At home Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| I know pleanty of people that smoke pot, or do some relativly halmless drugs, and they are working citizens, as the show Bullshit said, "Your average pot smoker is the average Joe" (or something like that) Yes, Democracy doesn't work I'll give that to you, but we are closer to a republic than a democracy. Our liberties are violated to a high extent and we can't do anything about it, because the poloticians are never going to take those laws back. Patriot Act comes to mind... |
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windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61  Posts: 651/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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Originally posted by ZiffskiOriginally posted by geeogree I live in vancouver! (washington  ) ~.^Our economy rules. No denying that. fo sho. In any case, if someone wants drugs, they'll get them. Too much money is being dumped into preventing this, especially with harmless drugs, like marijuana (at least as harmless as alcohol, like Ziff said). |
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geeogree Bloober Level: 34  Posts: 216/448 EXP: 231583 For next: 22068 Since: 03-16-04 From: Calgary, Canada Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 11 hours |
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| you define alcohol and ciggarettes as harmless.... wow.... what else is harmless then.... cutting yourself? |
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Rydain Ropa Blaze Phoenix Runs With the Dragon Within Level: 42  Posts: 341/738 EXP: 490056 For next: 31306 Since: 03-15-04 From: State College, PA Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 8 hours |
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Originally posted by geeogree Strawman fallacy. Here's Ziffski's actual statement: I look at the BAD drugs like crack and see the real harm. I look at relatively harmless drugs like MDMA, psilocybin, Lysergic Acid, Marijuana, etc. and see no more harm than alcohol or tobacco. He defined MDMA, psilocybin, LSD, marijuana, etc. as relatively harmless and said that, harm-wise, he doesn't consider them to be worse than alcohol and tobacco. He never said that alcohol and cigarettes were harmless. It would be similar to say that eating candy is relatively harmless and less dangerous for you than punching yourself in the head, but that neither states nor implies that punching yourself in the head is harmless. |
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geeogree Bloober Level: 34 Posts: 217/448 EXP: 231583 For next: 22068 Since: 03-16-04 From: Calgary, Canada Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 11 hours |
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| fine, you want to call LDS, Shrooms and ecstasy relatively harmless.... then, define relatively harmless.... because I don't know too many people that would share that viewpoint |
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NSNick Laidback Admin Level: 85  Posts: 1468/3875 EXP: 5895841 For next: 2699 Since: 03-15-04 From: North Side School: OSU Since last post: 9 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| I'm pretty sure Rydain just did define relatively harmless. Relative to alcohol and cigarettes. As in less harmful than those two drugs. | |||
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windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61 Posts: 658/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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Originally posted by geeogree Now... when did he say ecstacy?  |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 1989/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| MDMA, MDBM, MMA, MBA, MMD, etc. are all derivitives of a semi-synthetic chemical. When metabolized it creates the effects of euphoria. Sadly, people nowadays have been wrapped up in a blanket of lies and cannot differentiate these chemicals. The pure form of MDMA has theraputic and psychiatric use, in fact, the institutes dealing with such faculties around the world at one time were dealing with the drug and using it to bring forward repressed memories without the fear of an anxiety attack. Then Ronald Raygun came to power and decided what people could and couldn't use to research and help people. | |||
Grey the Stampede Don't mess with powers you don't understand. And yes. That means donuts. Level: 82  Posts: 1451/3770 EXP: 5192909 For next: 16318 Since: 06-17-04 From: Kingston, RI, USA, Earth Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| Were there ANY negative effects at all? ANY? The government has a tendancy to jump all over things that are considered potentially dangerous... | |||
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 1993/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| On impure ecstasy...hell yes. People die regularly at Raves because they exhaust themselves due to mixing X with speed or other mephamphetimines (bad idea, just like using barbituates). Incidentally, the rate of deaths due to this drug were lower than people drinking themselves to death...Just a thought. | |||
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Grey the Stampede Don't mess with powers you don't understand. And yes. That means donuts. Level: 82 Posts: 1452/3770 EXP: 5192909 For next: 16318 Since: 06-17-04 From: Kingston, RI, USA, Earth Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| So doesn't that mean that ODing on any of the derivatives of the chemical could cause the same death effect as ecstasy does? That's probably why Reagan jumped it, because if people were administered too much of a drug that would normally be safe, or if their systems couldn't handle it and they died, then what? | |||
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 5625/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| And that's where the basis for all the "ecstacy is bad" news reports comes from. Then again, it's not like they're properly educated that mixing all that stuff's bad; plus mixing that stuff with booze is just asking for bad things to happen. If people ARE going to use the drug, then they need to know exactly how to use it; I'm not saying it's good or bad, but lots of people don't pay attention to those factors. |
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Dracoon Zelda The temp ban/forum ban bypasser! Level: 84 Posts: 1983/3727 EXP: 5514391 For next: 147561 Since: 03-25-04 From: At home Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| If it doesn't hurt you why do you care? Really, does our government think it has to be our big brother... (wow I think I am just getting that) and make sure we don't do anything that could harm ourselves. If someone wants to drink rat poisoning but not to kill themselves, I don't care. I'd tell em it is stupid but nothing else. (Unless it was a friend then I'd have to stop them) |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 2028/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Because modern democracies can't accept free-will. | |||
Generation Terrorist Mini Octorok Level: 7 Posts: 1/18 EXP: 1355 For next: 93 Since: 12-22-04 From: 100 steps forward, 99 steps back. Since last post: 279 days Last activity: 242 days |
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| Geeogree, one of the major fallacies of modern life is that because you hold a certain viewpoint, it is unwaveringly and intrinsically truth. This is simply not true, especially when it comes to subjective decisions like personal morals. We can go out on a limb and say that a thing is necessarily immoral when it violates another person's rights, but in deciding what is correct for one's own, personal constitution, everything has to be left up to the one assessing their morals. While you, personally, may look at the physical harms of certain drugs, and decide that it is a fundamental wrong to indulge in them, another person may take a look at the physical harms of certain drugs, and decide that the effects may go to help them acheive material happiness. You may not agree with them. You may think that they're incredibly dense for thinking that it could possibly be a right thing to do. But because they are not harming you, personally, in the best of all possible worlds, you have no choice but to accept their decision. In the entire situation, the only true evil comes when you attempt to curb their own Life, Liberty, or Pursuit of Happiness through the regulation of their behavior. You have to take a step back and look at it objectively, rather than adhering to this statement ( because I don't know too many people that would share that viewpoint ). The Good is subjective, and what may be seen as something destructive (i.e., cutting oneself) could in fact be positive for the person in question (i.e., allowing them a way to vent without murdering the guy that keeps on mugging him), while the person working the deadbeat job or lying in the alleyway could be having a great time in the artificial reality he created so as to escape the harshness of everyday life. I'm not going to attempt to tell somebody what is best for them. All of this, of course, leaves out the economic bonuses of cancelling the war on drugs. Income rather than expenditures, freed up justice system, etc. By this time, I'm sure that everybody has some idea of my leanings on the issue, so I'll go ahead and confirm it. I indulge in drugs quite often, my favorite being the psychedelics, though I do enjoy some codeine or vodka every now and again. (I despise marijuana). The funny thing is, some of the most potent psychedelic drugs aren't illegal in the sense that possession would land you prison time - they can be found right over the counter at any local pharmacy. XD |
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Dylan Devil Trumpets and Angel Trombones ~ Level: 54  Posts: 1220/1407 EXP: 1181697 For next: 52173 Since: 06-19-04 From: Ottawa, Canada. Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 6 hours |
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| The only drugs (excluding things like caffiene and alcohol) that I consider ok is weed and shrooms, which I've both tried, moreso with weed. Shrooms are amazing, but the next day you feel gross and you don't want to do them again for a a long time. So, its hard to get hooked, so its hard to do it enough to effect your brain, unless its long-term use. Also, weed is alright, since it isn't all that harmful, and most people don't get hooked. Its all natural, too. Also all those herbal shamanistic drugs should stay legal too, because I think they're mainly for religious use, so whos gonna be bothered abusing those? Edit: Generation Terrorist, I read in your newbie intro you do dxm. It's over the counter in Canada (and I think most places) but I'm not getting messed up with that shit, A guy at my high school had a nice time in ER with that. (edited by Dylan on 12-23-04 12:10 PM) |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 2078/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by Generation Terrorist Oi vey. DXM man? I remember when me and my friends decided to get fucked up on that <.< We all got our chemicals out, made some pure tinctures, dropped it into my 74.3% rum. Let me just say I wish I had a sober sitter. Four guys freaking out is BAD, BAD. Salvia is my current favourite, <3 35x extraction. |
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Dylan Devil Trumpets and Angel Trombones ~ Level: 54 Posts: 1222/1407 EXP: 1181697 For next: 52173 Since: 06-19-04 From: Ottawa, Canada. Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 6 hours |
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Originally posted by Ziffski You can buy that at some new age shops around here. Never tried it but I hear its one of the greatest herbal-highs you'll ever experience.  |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 2079/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by DylanOriginally posted by Ziffski In the words of my friend after his little sister slept in their backyard under their patio "Always have a sobre sitter". |
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