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Lenophis

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Posted on 10-01-04 12:55 PM Link
Originally posted by Chaos Force
It still kinda makes me sick we have to vote for either of them. Can't we get Al Gore in there somewhere?

I don't remember anything saying you have to vote for either of these two dumb asses. You do know there's write in space, don't you?

"But my vote is wasted if I don't vote for either of these two guys."

That attitude is the reason why the current system is still in place. Vote for who you want to vote for, not two jackass clowns. Otherwise, the system will never change....
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Posted on 10-01-04 01:40 PM Link
Actually, Lenophis, as long as America continiues using the Single-Member District Plurality Voting System, the only two realistic choices will be the Democratic and Republican nominees. Duverger's Law states this. Using a write-in vote to vote for someone else, and encouraging other people to do this, will not change the system (the best you can do is substitute one party with another, for example kick out the Democrats and enter the Greens. However, according to Duverger's Law, the SMDP Voting System ensures two-party states) (and, yes, I know there are exceptions to this law, but they are few and far in between). If you want to be able to cast a realistic vote for someone else than the Democratic or Republican nominee, you have to change the entire way the system of votes are counted.

As for the debate, I had my alarm clock set to 3am, woke up, tried to get up from bed and turn on the TV, but fell asleep again, so I didn't get to see it. God damn timezones.
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Posted on 10-01-04 02:04 PM Link
Poland is America's new #2 Ally? Pah!
That made my day.
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Posted on 10-01-04 02:35 PM Link
Anywheren I can see this online?

And about the IRC thing, banning Drag seems like a joke gone too far. And about the Acmlm "community"; IRC: 80%, Board: 20%. If you're not on IRC, you are missing out
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Posted on 10-01-04 04:11 PM Link
Eh, I would say it depends more on the day.

...right banning Drag for supporting Bush. Whatever if that was a joke or not it was too far... a kick would be enough.

Did bush talk at all? I hadn't seen the debate (thought a small video clip from the debate is loading on my computer), and I couldn't get up in the middle of the night.

If the world, or heck even just Sweden would decide. Kerry would win and Bush would fail... majorly. The rest of the world hates bush. (like in a voting done on aftonbladet.se, the Swedish readers could vote. Kerry was leading with 80%, and bush with just 10%...)
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Posted on 10-01-04 05:02 PM Link
I obviously did not see the debate, but the general consensus seems to be either a Kerry win or a stalemate. Either way, that's very good for Kerry. Without 9/11 and terorrism and Iraq, Bush is basically nothing - he seems to constantly draw back to these things. If Kerry managed to hold his own on national security he's probably going to gain the ascendency from here on in. Bush hasn't been exposed so freely in public that much - scripted press conferences, weak reporters, staged meetings etc, and now that he didn't manage to decisively win in the one area he's actually strong in, I should expect him crumble over the rest of these things. What are the other topics?

(edited by Arwon on 10-01-04 08:04 AM)
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Posted on 10-01-04 05:04 PM Link
Originally posted by MathOnNapkins
This whole "Kerry Owned Bush" stuff is a matter of perspective. My roommate walked in earlier today and started jabbering to his mom on his cell phone about the thorough trouncing Kerry received. I'm inclined to believe that it's just biased thinking on both sides and we all want to think our favorite candidate won.


Actually, even Fox, an obvious pro-Bush/Republican network, admitted that Kerry had won the debate. Only extreme Bush supporters would believe Bush won this debate. Bush skirted the issues, repeated his arguments (Kerry is a flip flopper), recited scriptures, stuttered, had long pauses and had poor body language. Strictly from a debate stand point: Bush lost horribly.
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Posted on 10-01-04 05:04 PM Link
Originally posted by Arwon
What are the other topics?


That........was it basically. I hope the cover other things in the next few debates.
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Posted on 10-01-04 05:05 PM Link
Yeah, that's what I meant - the topics for the other debates. Sorry for the lack of clarity.
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Posted on 10-01-04 07:03 PM Link
Originally posted by Rebecca Daise
...repeated his arguments (Kerry is a flip flopper)...
And god, I get so annoyed at this. Come on, I learnt this in school when we had debates not to repeat the same argument.

Now, I think Kerry converted alot of people yesterday. Still is that enough for a win?
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Posted on 10-01-04 07:46 PM Link
I don't remember there ever being a winner declared...
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Posted on 10-01-04 08:04 PM Link
Wait! How can you guys go wrong with Bush? You guys got Dick Cheney, Colleen Powell, and George Bush so in reality the white house is like going in the porno direction right direction.

If I could I would vote Bush. Main reason... Against Abortions...
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Posted on 10-01-04 11:05 PM Link
Originally posted by Kitten Yiffer

Now, I think Kerry converted alot of people yesterday. Still is that enough for a win?


He did? To what file format, then?

I think that USA needs another asshat now and Kerry fits in perfectly...
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Posted on 10-02-04 08:26 AM Link
Originally posted by Chaos Force
It still kinda makes me sick we have to vote for either of them. Can't we get Al Gore in there somewhere?


Um... think of it like this: if we got bombed by someone, North Korea or something, who would you like to have at the helm of our country, Bush or Kerry?
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Posted on 10-02-04 11:36 AM Link


Don't tell me you don't want 4 more years of this comedy.
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Posted on 10-02-04 09:37 PM Link
Haha, I had to watch it in Government class yesterday. Bushes body language, pauses, and stutters was amusing . It was funny how they would try to avoid the question or digress from the topic. I didn't notice it before..well it was the first debate I watched so excuse me if that happens a lot . Kerry clearly won. I saw most of it..the TV was having issues and the audio on the tape started going lower and lower .
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Posted on 10-02-04 10:12 PM Link
Originally posted by windwaker
Originally posted by Chaos Force
It still kinda makes me sick we have to vote for either of them. Can't we get Al Gore in there somewhere?


Um... think of it like this: if we got bombed by someone, North Korea or something, who would you like to have at the helm of our country, Bush or Kerry?


Is there a particular answer you're fishing for here?
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Posted on 10-02-04 10:23 PM Link
Originally posted by windwaker
Originally posted by Chaos Force
It still kinda makes me sick we have to vote for either of them. Can't we get Al Gore in there somewhere?


Um... think of it like this: if we got bombed by someone, North Korea or something, who would you like to have at the helm of our country, Bush or Kerry?


Doesn't really matter, if Korea (Or anyone, really) launches we're probably fucked anyways.

Although I doubt Korea has the missile technology to shoot much further than California, so we might have a chance at surviving. I wouldn't particularly mind if they the home of scientology and humanist psychology.
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Posted on 10-03-04 05:21 AM Link
Great poleland picture. x)
Originally posted by windwaker
Um... think of it like this: if we got bombed by someone, North Korea or something, who would you like to have at the helm of our country, Bush or Kerry?
Bush! Becuse I rather would rather see Bush bombed than Kerry.

...ok that was a stupid joke. ~_~

But actually, Bush is trying to insist people all the time that he can defend the country better than kerry. But for being honest I have problems seeing how he could be better than Kerry.
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Posted on 10-03-04 05:34 AM Link
Originally posted by Kitten Yiffer
Bush is trying to insist people all the time that he can defend the country better than kerry.


He already failed. But he doesn't seem to realise it.
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