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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 3802/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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| And it's beyond me why the programmed the game to handle the big values as negative. But even if they did count 129 as a positive number the game would glitch out when you reach 256 (this is due how binary works) 1111 is 15 10000 is 16 11111111 is 255 100000000 is 256 But the game just handles 8 bits (notice that 256 was made of 9 0's and 1's, therfore being 9 bit), and therefore the first digit get's cut out. It get's into 00000000 which is zero. (for more binary info, use google I have used severeal "ranges", why Nintendo programmed the game to use negative ranges is beyond me. But then there maybe was practical reason for this. And in SMB2, if you get over 99 lives it uses letters. I do not rembember if it was hex or not thought...  ...I probably confused people more than helping. ^^; |
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Emptyeye Real American Level: 67 Posts: 649/2273 EXP: 2488421 For next: 104451 Since: 05-24-04 From: I DUNNOOOOOOOO!! Since last post: 9 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| If I had to guess, I would say it's because that's how computers handle negative numbers normally (The leftmost bit basically determines if the number is positive or negative). It probably wasn't Nintendo's choice in the matter. | |||
Frank15 Red Koopa Level: 19 Posts: 67/126 EXP: 32228 For next: 3549 Since: 06-01-04 From: New Orleans Since last post: 71 days Last activity: 67 days |
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Originally posted by EmptyeyeUm... of course it was Nintendo's choice. They could have easily made 255 lives possible... except, of course, they likely didn't think that it would be possible to get so many, anyway. They had a choice; they just didn't see any reason to bother fixing a seemingly impossible occurance. Has anyone ever tried getting over 255 lives? What would happen then? I don't think it's possible in one sitting, but if you do the trick in 3-1, and 7-1, and 6-2, and 8-2, without losing a life in the process, it should certainly be possible to try.... |
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 3834/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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Originally posted by Frank15It probably just goes around, it goes up to 0 and then 1. And it isn't glitchy any longer, until you reach 20 again. ...I should just test it out for being sure thought. |
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Acmlm Torosu heh Level: 51  Posts: 878/1173 EXP: 981994 For next: 31944 Since: 03-15-04 From: Somewhere that isn't outside of Sherbrooke, Québec, Canada Since last post: 39 days Last activity: 3 hours |
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The best way to go would be to treat only FF (255) as "Game over" after you die, and make sure it doesn't roll over to 00 if you get a 1UP with FF, but then it's impossible to reach 7F (127) without that trick ... except where you can score 1UP's from long rows of enemies, doing it repeatedly, but that'd take forever  But they fixed it in Mario All-Stars, I remember doing that in 1-1 (second quest) and getting all the way to 127 lives (which displays correctly), and it wouldn't go past 127 ... |
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JJ64 Boo Level: 45 Posts: 905/919 EXP: 640956 For next: 19208 Since: 05-22-04 From: Green Bay, WI Since last post: 441 days Last activity: 269 days |
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Originally posted by Acmlm I've made it to 128... Anyway, wouldn't be hard enough to get to 255 lives in SMB1 anyway? I always end up dying after about 100 lives or so, even with a lot of time left... |
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LocalH Red Goomba Level: 12  Posts: 20/46 EXP: 7612 For next: 309 Since: 03-17-04 Since last post: 25 days Last activity: 4 days |
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Originally posted by JJ64Originally posted by Acmlm If you count carefully and get just up to 127 and no more (possibly by using FCEU's debugger), then die, then you restart at that level's halfway point and get a chance to try it again, with a bit more time on the clock. It should be possible, without cheating, to get over 255 lives and 'see' the counter roll over. Or you can just use a cheat to lock the ones digit to 9 (I forget the RAM addresses, but the game stores the time, score, and coins one digit per byte), which effectively gives you unlimited time. You could also hack the time to 999 then disable cheats to give you that much time on the clock. Oh, and there is a place besides 8-2 where you can do the 1-up trick with a paratroopa on the end stairs, but I believe it's nearly impossible on NES, because it's fairly difficult to pull off on SMBDX, and we all know how the 1-up trick is easier on SMBDX than NES. (edited by LocalH on 08-04-04 03:04 AM) |
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Emptyeye Real American Level: 67 Posts: 704/2273 EXP: 2488421 For next: 104451 Since: 05-24-04 From: I DUNNOOOOOOOO!! Since last post: 9 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| There are normal Troopas in level 3-1 where you can do it, too. Also note that it's a LOT easier in SMB:LL, because the setup basically makes it so you can't miss the jumps (Because you're jumping "in between" bricks on either side of you). |
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Cruel Justice XD Level: 55  Posts: 255/1384 EXP: 1253266 For next: 60923 Since: 03-20-04 From: Darkwoods Penetentiary Since last post: 11 hours Last activity: 7 hours |
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| SMB2: P lives Best for emulated version... Very hard to do. Using the slot machine, try to obtain many lives by getting 3 "7's". Save state after each one. Once you get 99 and you still have more coins, keep going! If you have over 99 lives, it will still display 99 lives until you die once after. You will have P1 lives and you can die all you want. |
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Dylan Devil Trumpets and Angel Trombones ~ Level: 54  Posts: 609/1407 EXP: 1181697 For next: 52173 Since: 06-19-04 From: Ottawa, Canada. Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 6 hours |
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Thats not really any kind of trick, thats just manipulated a bonus chance with cheating save states.   |
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KATW King Yoshi "If you stare at something long enough, it can be funny." Level: 86  Posts: 1589/3959 EXP: 6087979 For next: 54128 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 7 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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