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Karadur Fire Snake  Level: 48  Posts: 1077/1192 EXP: 786444 For next: 37099 Since: 11-02-04 From: Chatham, Ontario, Canada Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 15 hours |
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Originally posted by HyperHacker I don't know how long it usually takes, but as a blind guess, I'll say 12 hours at most, provided they devote all their time to it. As for the price itself, that's way too high if you ask me. The only way I can see they'd even think of making an intital price that high is if it can do a whole lot more than just play games, out of the box. By that, I know that the XBox can play DVDs, but you need to buy the attachment and remote control. For the XBox 360, maybe it'll be able to do the same without having to buy anything extra. I know my friend Josh reserved one at EB Games (that cost $50 alone), so it's obvious he really wants it. I don't know which package he plans on going for, although knowing him, it'll be the more expensive one. So far though, the only games he's looking forward to are Halo 3 and Perfect Dark Zero  I suppose having two games to look forward to is better than none  I had no plans to get one of these, even before hearing the initial price, but now that this news has come out, I'm even more glad I made that decision  I guess the only thing we can hope for right now is a price drop after it's been out for a decent amount of time, but who knows what sales are going to be like when it is released?  |
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witeasprinwow Lakitu Level: 37 Posts: 550/555 EXP: 319587 For next: 18666 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 55 days Last activity: 55 days |
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| Before you guys go making claims about how outrageous the price is, remember that Microsoft is eating money on each of these. I intend to buy one a while after it comes out, especially if I can't get TES4: Oblivion to run on my computer at a decent framerate. It'd cost some $400 to upgrade my PC anyways. Nintendo might change my mind with the Revolution, but it's still so secretive that I can't make an any sort of prediction about it. I think I'm through with Sony; Anyone who talks about Microsoft being money whores hasn't looked at what Sony has done to thier consumers over the years. Did MIcrosoft ever release a $300 piece of hardware that has a serious malfunction and have the audacity to call that malfunction a "feature"? (In reference to the PSP's square button, in case you didn't pick that up) And only fucking idiots use the term "Micro$oft." Originally posted by Shadow Red In reference to the bolded part: How the hell do you think console companies stay alive today? None of them are really specifically targeting anyone over the age of 30. Over half of that age range will be financially dependant on thier parents. Also, anyone who says Xbox is worthless obviously didn't get to play 16-player Halo 2 in a dorm. Maybe not worth the original $300 asking price, but once the price dopped it was worth the cash. Edit: There's an interesting article over at 1up.com about Micrsoft in the Japanese market. read it. (edited by witeasprinwow on 08-19-05 04:49 PM) (edited by witeasprinwow on 08-19-05 04:49 PM) |
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Xeolord - B l u e s - Power Metal > All Level: 81  Posts: 3122/3418 EXP: 4884196 For next: 108653 Since: 03-15-04 From: Yeah Since last post: 15 hours Last activity: 15 hours |
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| All there $100 plus deal is is just added accessories and stuff like that, not exacly "another model" of the system, from what I've heard ... I could careless. Honestly this console bashing has gotten pretty old. I'm am an owner of an Xbox, Gamecube, and PS2. Guess what, I like them all! I'm buying a 360 because Live will be great. There's Perfect Dark Zero, you can play mp3's during any game whenever you want, there's great launch titles like Gears of War and so on. And it's also going to be at a reasonable price. From what I've heard the PS2 could be as much as $500. But again, do I care? No. Because in maybe 3-4 years or so, I'll probably be an owner of a 360, PS3, and Revolution, and will more than likely be playing them all reguraly. Consoles mean nothing, games do. |
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witeasprinwow Lakitu Level: 37 Posts: 551/555 EXP: 319587 For next: 18666 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 55 days Last activity: 55 days |
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Originally posted by Colleen Missed this the first time through... Colleen, you either misstated something, or you're looking at it incredibly unfairly. If you only look at the 20GB HD and judge the cost increase on that addition alone, then of course it's going to look like a rip-off. Read again: "...and a souped-up $399 version that ships with a 20GB hard drive, a wireless controller, a wireless headset, a limited-edition wireless Media Center remote, and HD-capable component A/V cables." Still a bit pricy, but not nearly as ridiculous as just the HD for $100. Also, another thing I noticed: The guy at C.net says there's no launch titles, when, in fact, there are titles scheduled for the launch date. Xeolord just mentioned one of them. That's what you get for taking advice from C.net, I guess. EDIT: In fact, I just found a list of games that are supposed to be launch titles. As the article says, the list is a bit out of date, as some of those games had to be delayed... But I do remember reading that FFXI, Oblivion, Madden 06, Dead or Alive 4, and Perfect Dark Zero were all scheduled for launch. (edited by witeasprinwow on 08-19-05 10:11 PM) |
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fabio Chuck Level: 45  Posts: 801/1479 EXP: 629903 For next: 30261 Since: 07-02-05 From: Somewhere in Texas Since last post: 7 hours Last activity: 7 hours |
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Wow, that's a lot of money. Of course, I'll have to pay it on layaway just like I did with my GBA, DS, GC, and PS2.Originally posted by Xeolord You mean the PS3 will cost $500 right? The PS2 is already out. |
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Koneko Flurry Level: 21  Posts: 108/256 EXP: 49237 For next: 706 Since: 06-11-05 From: Tartarus, tartarus, tartarus Since last post: 9 hours Last activity: 8 hours |
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| Why does anyone think that there won't be any games to launch on the same day as the 360? The article said there were not any set launch titles. That means they haven't decided yet which games will be released packaged with the 360 or available in such packages. sigh. And I would put my own personal thoughts here, but it's quicker to just tell you to read Xeolord's post and pretend it's in this big spot here. |
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witeasprinwow Lakitu Level: 37 Posts: 552/555 EXP: 319587 For next: 18666 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 55 days Last activity: 55 days |
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Originally posted by Koneko Is this what he means by "set"? If so, I'm relieved that he isn't as igorant as I thought him to be, but still somewhat confused over his choice of words. |
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NSNick Laidback Admin Level: 85  Posts: 3456/3875 EXP: 5895841 For next: 2699 Since: 03-15-04 From: North Side School: OSU Since last post: 9 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| People will buy this regardless of launch titles. Remember one of PS2's most popular launch titles? Fantavision. Yeah... | |||
windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61  Posts: 1752/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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Originally posted by Yoshi DudeOriginally posted by DarkSlayaYeah, it's the games that matter. Not the console itself, and not who makes it. I personally think that Sony/Nintendo care more about quality than MS. They all care about money, just with different ideals (crap for more vs. quality for more). |
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HyperLamer <||bass> and this was the soloution i thought of that was guarinteed to piss off the greatest amount of people Sesshomaru Tamaranian Level: 118 Posts: 6423/8210 EXP: 18171887 For next: 211027 Since: 03-15-04 From: Canada, w00t! LOL FAD Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Well it's all about their consumer trends. Nintendo's main consumer is kids, so they try to make their consoles cheap and durable and their games simple but fun. Sony's sales come mostly from the brand name and their consoles' ability to do pretty much whatever, and of course their long, complex RPGs. (They do seem to suck at hardware quality, though, but it usually gets better with later revisions.) Microsoft's main selling point is that the Xbox is great for parties - holds tons of music, and has a lot of multiplayer games. Xbox's durability takes a hit, however, because it's so expensive to make they actually lose money on it. (They make it up in game sales.) | |||
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witeasprinwow Lakitu Level: 37 Posts: 553/555 EXP: 319587 For next: 18666 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 55 days Last activity: 55 days |
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Originally posted by windwaker Sony cares more about quality? Keep in mind that Sony has nothing to do with the development of a large majority of the games that are released for thier consoles (Same with Microsoft, except for Bungie and Rare); They simply produce the hardware needed for those games. PS1 was relatively well-made, but both PS2s and PSPs have had severe flaws (PS2 with the lens and the fact that they marketed a vertical stand that actually damaged the system; PSP with the square button getting blocked by the screen) that have made the systems at least flawed and, in some cases, totally useless. Nintendo might seem to care more about making sure they have quality games, but since very few people were making 3rd party games for the GC and almost none for the N64, it's probably because they HAVE to make quality games themselves to ensure the success of thier consoles. Originally posted by HyperHacker Hyper, I'm willing to bet that if Sony and Nintendo weren't losing money on GC / PS2, then they were just barely above breaking even. I'd also be willing to bet that all 3 companies will be eating money on thier next consoles. It's inevitable; They can't keep raising the price or they'll lose thier edge over PC gaming. |
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Yoronosuku Bullet Bill YORO 4 GOD Level: 32 Posts: 318/502 EXP: 194954 For next: 11488 Since: 01-06-05 From: hailing from Oyamazaki, Kyoto Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| I personaly think that every single feature that is hyped about this new XBox is a feature i could get by playing a game for my PC. Online? Headsets? MP3 playing? I am not trashing the system at all! I am just saying that for this kind of money (which, I don't exactly have), I do not have a practicle use for this kind of a system. But that does not mean I think it 'sucks' or is a bad system! Just not the right one for me. | |||
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HyperLamer <||bass> and this was the soloution i thought of that was guarinteed to piss off the greatest amount of people Sesshomaru Tamaranian Level: 118 Posts: 6518/8210 EXP: 18171887 For next: 211027 Since: 03-15-04 From: Canada, w00t! LOL FAD Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Yeah, the only real reason to get any game system instead of just buying PC games is to play the games that don't have PC versions. You gotta admit, the features are nice, even if it's practically the same as a PC. Now, if every good game that comes out for a given system also comes out on PC, then you might want to re-think your purchase. But of course, keep in mind that upgrading a PC every 2 months to play the latest games can get expensive, while a game console usually lasts a good 5 years or so. PC games are designed to be as realistic as possible, to the point where the PC is designed for the game, while console games are designed to work within the console's specifications (and maybe an add-on or two) until said specs are considered crappy compared to competition or games have to be significantly stripped down. Originally posted by witeasprinwowPS1 was relatively well-made Didn't the first models overheat?
Probably, but the loss, if any, wasn't as significant as Microsoft's. Particularly in Nintendo's case since they make all their own parts; Sony I don't know so much about. |
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NSNick Laidback Admin Level: 85 Posts: 3501/3875 EXP: 5895841 For next: 2699 Since: 03-15-04 From: North Side School: OSU Since last post: 9 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| Nintendo doesn't make all of their own parts. I know IBM makes the Gekko and ATI makes the Flipper. | |||
alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 5173/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| And the casing is made externally. In fact, none of the companies make "their own parts". They sell the finished product. | |||
Riku Giant Goomba Level: 42  Posts: 562/1239 EXP: 505941 For next: 15421 Since: 06-21-05 From: ....Is this like a custom title? Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 6 hours |
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| GBA to NDS. Huge upgrade. PS2 to PS3. Supposed to be huge. X-box to X-box 360. I heard this was just a minor upgrade. Damn..... Microsoft, here me now! Focus on your computers, now your dumbass systems! |
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kitty Come on babe, pet the pussy ;) Level: 70 Posts: 1892/2449 EXP: 2962406 For next: 53405 Since: 03-15-04 From: Scranton, PA, USA Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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Originally posted by Lenophis Originally posted by Ice Man Originally posted by Xell Originally posted by MarioMasterJust the kind of things you expect from a typical Nintendo fanboy on a forum that has more pro-Nintendo nuts than Nintendo Power. You're all either really biased or really stupid. You can pick which one it is. Try to look at things fairly. See, the Nintendo GS is a poorly made piece of shit. As is the PSP with its inherent design flaw. It's not like we have a company that NEVER DOES ANYTHING WRONG (HELLO? CARTRIDGES ON THE N64? WTF WERE YOU THINKING?) versus this big evil corporate empire called M$. See, if Microsoft wasn't so FUCKING GOOD at what they do, then they wouldn't be around. You can only make money in today's society if you sell things REALLY CHEAP, or sell things REALLY GOOD. And Microsoft products are hardly cheap. They must be making money SOMEHOW. If only you know-it-all fanboys could figure out why! (edited by Yiffy Kitten on 08-23-05 10:44 PM) |
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Ronin Bot Level: 20  Posts: 34/267 EXP: 37090 For next: 5349 Since: 08-22-05 Since last post: 10 days Last activity: 4 days |
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| Actually, Microsoft pretty much got lucky by picking up Halo. From what I've heard, they didn't even start Halo, but they pretty much picked a lot of it up, give it a little bit of polish, and that was about it. And basically, the big "WHOAMG SHOOTER" guys picked up on it, then they bought a bunch of crap for their Xbox, so they wouldn't have to buy other games for other systems. Basically, it WAS a question of launch titles or very-close-to -launch. Microsoft just got a big one, and rode with it. But still, a hundred bucks for a hard drive? I guess they have to cash in SOMEwhere. |
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 10081/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| I saw Halo previewed in an issue of PC Gamer back when it was a PC exclusive title. How things change, huh? Wonder what the "big" Xbox title would be if Halo never was released for it... |
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O.G. Metal axe Level: 22  Posts: 144/169 EXP: 53507 For next: 4843 Since: 03-19-04 Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 2 days |
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| why complain about it you know your going to get one anyways, and i cant remember exactly, but i dont think it was Microsoft trying to sell connectivity to the GBA, wich required a $15 cord, and a $30 game for the GBA, and the $50 game... |
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