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Ran-chan Moldorm eek, when are they going to stop growing... Level: 143  Posts: 9501/12781 EXP: 35293588 For next: 538220 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima District, Tokyo - Japan Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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| I was born christian so I believe in him and that he exists. I don | |||
knuck Hinox Banned until 19-58-5815: trolling, flaming, spamming, being a general fucktard... Level: 62 Posts: 1251/1818 EXP: 1894574 For next: 90112 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 9 hours |
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Originally posted by Jei*376It doesn't. It's just a book like any other. Do you believe in Alladin just because it was in a book? =o Your only argument is "God exists because Bible says so". It doesn't work like that.  |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101  Posts: 3688/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Tails Shyguy Level: 15 Posts: 31/98 EXP: 13910 For next: 2474 Since: 04-10-05 From: Calgary, Alberta, Canada Since last post: 139 days Last activity: 10 days |
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| I am not too convinced about what religion has to say about things. I'm leaning towards believing science, but I'm not sure what I believe, as nothing has really been proved yet. | |||
Valcion Kaizer Koopa Level: 15 Posts: 5/109 EXP: 15170 For next: 1214 Since: 05-08-05 Since last post: 143 days Last activity: 142 days |
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| See even as a Christian I believe in Big Bang...although it doesn't jibe with most of your heretic, secular "balls of gas and clouds of dust that exploded into this" theory but ok Allow me to sum up my feelings for this thread, and more specifically, your post, in one simple statement. "Christian's DON'T believe in gravity!" (edited by Valcion Kaizer on 05-12-05 11:04 AM) |
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Cymoro PATRICK DUFFY WILL LASER YOUR SOUL   Level: 67  Posts: 1584/2216 EXP: 2549743 For next: 43129 Since: 03-15-04 From: Cymoro Gaming Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by Jei*376 My son, have I ever told you about The Almighty Bob? See, the homeworld of Bobism (of which I am a huge believer in) was born out of the navel of a gigantic earwig. Not just any, the Galactic Earwig. And, when we die, he'll accept us, and we will return to the earwig for all eternity, to live forever. Because you see, my child, everyone is good in Bob's eyes. None of his followers do anything bad enough to damn them, so he just sends them all back to the Galactic Earwig. May Bob be with you. |
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 9646/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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Originally posted by LegionOriginally posted by Fettster |
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Silvershield Slime Level: 30 Posts: 335/345 EXP: 153029 For next: 12840 Since: 04-11-04 From: New Jersey Since last post: 60 days Last activity: 6 hours |
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| Ugh. Neither side has proof. If there was proof out there to be found, someone would've come up with it by now. As a Christian, I have my beliefs; as an atheist, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, or whatever you are, you have yours, as well. None of us can prove that we are right! Period! Can't we all just get along? That sounds so naive, so immature, but arguing over this cannot lead anywhere. Discuss it calmly, by all means, but allowing feelings to get out of hand on a topic that'll never be resolved is unwise, I think. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 3781/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| No. A baby is agnostic. Being an atheist is holding a BELIEF that there is no god or dieties. Ergo, the baby has not made an active choice of believing or disbelieving, but simply doesn't know. Therefore, it is agnostic. Which can sway both ways. | |||
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Valcion Kaizer Koopa Level: 15 Posts: 7/109 EXP: 15170 For next: 1214 Since: 05-08-05 Since last post: 143 days Last activity: 142 days |
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Wow, you just went up several points in my book, SS.  |
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Teddylot It was a dark and stormy night ... Level: 44 Posts: 646/851 EXP: 606742 For next: 4543 Since: 03-15-04 From: Not today. Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 8 hours |
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| Ergo, the baby has not made an active choice of believing or disbelieving, but simply doesn't know. Therefore, it is agnostic. That's ignorance, not Agnosticism. Agnosticism is the belief that it is impossible to know whether there is a god or just that one is skeptical of the existence of one. Logically, in order to follow such an idea, one has to be of the same opinion. (duh) Now, it may just be, but I don't know a baby who can rationally come to the decision that their can't be a god. (edited by Tedd-Ewok on 05-12-05 02:21 PM) |
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Cymoro PATRICK DUFFY WILL LASER YOUR SOUL Level: 67 Posts: 1588/2216 EXP: 2549743 For next: 43129 Since: 03-15-04 From: Cymoro Gaming Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by Silvershield Ultimately, yes. However, people still like to dispue certain topics that they know the other side can't hold up at all. One example is creationism vs. evolution. Evolutionists use Darwin's Finches, creationists can't back up, and use only faith (not that that's bad). 1-0. As of right now, I'm trying to think of an arcument that's won by creationists. But still, you get the idea. Big picture, everyone's wrong until aliens or Jesus H. Christ himself descends from the heavens. Edit: Tedd, Wiki says different. Agnosticism isn't saying it's IMPOSSIBLE to know which is right, just that you don't know. The word Agnostic quite literally comes from the greek term meaning "without knowledge", and there is no mention of it being impossible. So, class, agnosticism = ignorance of deity/non-deity. Edit 2: I still think SS is cool, though =( (edited by Cymoro on 05-12-05 02:28 PM) (edited by Cymoro on 05-12-05 02:41 PM) |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 3695/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| Tedd-Ewok has it right. Most people get the definition of "agnostic" wrong. And SS has always had points with me.  "Techincally you are an christian after your baptised." Uh, no?  You don't have to be baptised to be a christian. |
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Silvershield Slime Level: 30 Posts: 336/345 EXP: 153029 For next: 12840 Since: 04-11-04 From: New Jersey Since last post: 60 days Last activity: 6 hours |
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Originally posted by Valcion KaizerRofl, thank you .Seriously, I'm just providing, in writing, what the proponents of each side know is true in their heads. I'm all for discussion, but avoiding insulting remarks is a Good Thing. That goes for believers just as much as disbelievers, though I'd side with the former. |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 3696/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| Silvershield, it's people like you that help me keep my mind open and tolerance for beliefs that I don't share. You're a good person and you represent your faith extremely well. | |||
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 3782/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| It's boring when I have to listen to teenagers attempting to justify their beliefs, both ways. I am most tired of it, mostly because the hard-core kids on both sides lack the necessary knowledge to make arguments fun. And it ends up sounding a lot like two fools arguing over who is a bigger kill whore in Counter Strike. The funniest is arguing with rebelling teenagers who claim that God is impossible, yet can say with absolute certainty that all other deities are possible Oh, the New Age section of Chapters. What would I do if you had been placed away from the Christian-Judaism-Islam section? |
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Cymoro PATRICK DUFFY WILL LASER YOUR SOUL Level: 67 Posts: 1590/2216 EXP: 2549743 For next: 43129 Since: 03-15-04 From: Cymoro Gaming Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by Emperor Ziffatine Now, see, the catholic/christian god isn't possible, because I replaced him with Gamorrah, God of the-damed-angsty-teens-who-are-cool-on-the-inside-linkin-park-olol. He knows what I want, unlike my parents  |
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windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61  Posts: 1537/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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Originally posted by Silvershield Let's think about it this way. Read Cy's post about Bobism? It reminds me of scientology, which is FAKE, according to all of the evidence against it. Yet most of this evidence wasn't compiled until the 90's. People thought it was fake before the 90's, because it had no credibility. Christianity is based on a book. I think that no proof is much greater proof than a book written two thousand years ago. Of course, neither side could win indefinitely, like you said. However, think about how Christianity fails. "You will go to hell if you aren't Christian." What about people who aren't given the opportunity to become Christian? Like babies, or people in certain places where they have no resources such as the bible? There are people who claim that these people will go to hell. However, they are given no other opportunity. It's crazy things like these that make the Christian religion incredible. People only believe it because it caught on. They don't question anything enough. |
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Silvershield Slime Level: 30 Posts: 337/345 EXP: 153029 For next: 12840 Since: 04-11-04 From: New Jersey Since last post: 60 days Last activity: 6 hours |
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Originally posted by windwakerEmphasis, obviously, is my own. Many people who would have you believe that they know "the truth," that they are the only ones aware of God's plan and God's will, are only correct in their own minds. I have my own beliefs about how God operates but, for the life of me, I cannot justify some of the seeming injustices that He performs. My only recourse? God works in mysterious ways. Not only is it a clich |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 3783/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| That and there are many, many, many forms of Christianity. Even within every sect there is another sect. And within these there are differing views. Every religion has this. Personally, I believe that God is all forgiving. He allows all people after they die, regardless of creed to be judged fairly. Those who have lived good lives will be allowed into Heaven. The sinners repent upon Mount Purgatory. Only the absolutely rotten and evil people go to Hell. God doesn't care what you are, as long as you are a good, honest, loving person who lives with good morals and helps his neighbour regardless of who they are. |
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