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iamhiro1112 Armos Level: 35  Posts: 257/487 EXP: 259927 For next: 20009 Since: 03-27-04 From: sd Since last post: 18 days Last activity: 7 days |
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| How about we make a sticky thread describing which emulators are best for hacking the various systems. Um, I'll start. Best Emulators NES: Nesticle (Supports real time graphics editing, full screen only) Loopy NES Gameboy Advance: NO$GBA (More Powerful Debug Tools) Visual Boy Advance (Less Powerful Debug Tools) Gameboy (Original): NO$GMB (Buggy, but has a familiar interface) BGB (Good emulator with similar debug options to No$GMB) Genesis: DebugGens Dgen Kega Fusion (Awesome but less featured) ----------------------------------------- Other Emultors NES: FCEUXD (Good Emulation with many debugging options and offers a windowed mode) Genesis: Genecyst (a great emulator in its time, and the first with debugging. DOES NOT work with Windows XP) (edited by iamhiro1112 on 03-23-05 06:03 PM) (edited by iamhiro1112 on 03-23-05 06:10 PM) (edited by iamhiro1112 on 03-23-05 07:42 PM) (edited by iamhiro1112 on 03-26-05 03:50 AM) (edited by iamhiro1112 on 03-26-05 03:43 PM) (edited by iamhiro1112 on 03-26-05 03:45 PM) (edited by iamhiro1112 on 03-27-05 10:52 PM) (edited by iamhiro1112 on 03-27-05 11:52 PM) (edited by iamhiro1112 on 03-28-05 06:44 PM) (edited by iamhiro1112 on 03-28-05 06:44 PM) |
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Keitaro Iron Knuckle ウラシマ ケイタロウ Level: 54 Posts: 1148/1342 EXP: 1201569 For next: 32301 Since: 03-15-04 From: Hinata, Japan Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 2 days |
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only that list is entirely wrong. You dont spell FCEUXD and VBA as "Nesticle" and "NO$GBA"  |
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Dish Spiny Level: 38 Posts: 302/596 EXP: 355646 For next: 14801 Since: 03-15-04 From: Disch Since last post: 18 days Last activity: 18 days |
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| Anyone who recommends NESticle for anything doesn't know the first thing about NES emulation. | |||
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BMF98567 BLACK HAS BUILT A SILLY DICE-MAZE! GO! Current list of BURNING FURY >8( recipients: - Yiffy Kitten (x2) - Xkeeper Level: 53  Posts: 711/1261 EXP: 1094149 For next: 62970 Since: 03-15-04 From: Blobaria Special Move: Rising Meatloaf Backhand Combo Since last post: 21 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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There are more than enough stickies as is, we don't need another one for something as simple as this.  Colleen has suggested updating the main FAQ to include forum-specific sections. If that happens, this can go in there. |
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Heran_Bago Rat Level: 15  Posts: 5/91 EXP: 13080 For next: 3304 Since: 03-20-05 From: Newtrogic High Zone Since last post: 8 days Last activity: 1 day |
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| For Genesis, I would say that DebuGens version of Gens. If you hate Gens, there's Dgen, but meh. Kega Fusion is awesome, but it doesn't have some of the nifty features. | |||
Parasyte Bullet Bill Level: 35  Posts: 380/514 EXP: 267348 For next: 12588 Since: 05-25-04 Since last post: 104 days Last activity: 32 days |
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Originally posted by Heran_Bago ... Yet. |
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HyperLamer <||bass> and this was the soloution i thought of that was guarinteed to piss off the greatest amount of people Sesshomaru Tamaranian Level: 118 Posts: 3897/8210 EXP: 18171887 For next: 211027 Since: 03-15-04 From: Canada, w00t! LOL FAD Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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For Gameboy, NO$GMB if you can live with a *cough*few*cough* bugs.  Otherwise... er, nothing I know of. |
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Parasyte Bullet Bill Level: 35 Posts: 382/514 EXP: 267348 For next: 12588 Since: 05-25-04 Since last post: 104 days Last activity: 32 days |
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| BGB is a very good GBx emulator with a very good debugger. It's similar to no$gmb, so if you like it's debugger... this one should come second-nature. | |||
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Xkeeper The required libraries have not been defined. Level: NAN  Posts: -2273/-863 EXP: NAN For next: 0 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: -753366 sec. |
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Originally posted by DischNESticle, afaik, is the only NES emulator that supports real-time GFX editing. And while it may suck for actual emulation, it's nice from a graphic hacker point of view. (edited by Xkeeper on 03-26-05 01:51 PM) |
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HyperLamer <||bass> and this was the soloution i thought of that was guarinteed to piss off the greatest amount of people Sesshomaru Tamaranian Level: 118 Posts: 3940/8210 EXP: 18171887 For next: 211027 Since: 03-15-04 From: Canada, w00t! LOL FAD Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by Parasyte Ah yes, forgot about that. It's pretty good (and quite accurate) but I really don't like the interface... |
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bbitmaster Koopa Level: 18  Posts: 73/103 EXP: 25264 For next: 4633 Since: 03-28-04 From: Knoxville, tTN Since last post: 12 days Last activity: 7 days |
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Originally posted by iamhiro1112 I think I'll agree with Disch on this one and say anyone who even thinks of comparing FCEUXD to Nesticle doesn't know the first thing about hacking. |
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Apophis Red Super Koopa Level: 45 Posts: 400/882 EXP: 640255 For next: 19909 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 15 hours Last activity: 15 hours |
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Saying FCEUXD is nearly on par to Nesticle is like saying that MSPaint is nearly on par to Photoshop. (edited by Apophis on 03-27-05 10:13 PM) (edited by Apophis on 03-27-05 10:14 PM) (edited by Apophis on 03-27-05 10:14 PM) |
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Dish Spiny Level: 38 Posts: 307/596 EXP: 355646 For next: 14801 Since: 03-15-04 From: Disch Since last post: 18 days Last activity: 18 days |
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Originally posted by iamhiro1112 You don't have the first clue what you're talking about. NESticle is not slow. It's arguably the fastest working emu available (although the corners it cuts show when you use it) FCEUXD "nearly on par to NESticle"? Are you stoned? The only thing FCEUXD lacks from NESticle is runtime CHR-ROM editing. On the reverse, NESticle lacks any sort of credible emulation (it's hackish and sloppy, and GROSSLY inaccurate). FCEUXD has a full debugger, memory viewer/editor, PPU viewer, runtime hex editor, nametable viewer, code tracer, etc, etc etc. How you figure NESticle has any sort of advantage is beyond me. If you're doing anything beyond simple graphics/text/level editing (ie: when you'd actually have any use for an emu built for rom-hacking)... using NESticle is out of the question due to its emulation problems. Not to mention it won't even run a lot of games. It even has trouble with a lot of mainstream ROMs -- let alone the obscure ones. So to recap NOBODY SHOULD BE RECOMMENDING NESTICLE TO ANYONEIt's a bad emulator. It's not even decent -- it's bad. The only time anyone should be using it is if they're on a POS 133 machine or something and it's the only emu fast enough for them to run -- and even then there might be better options (like LoopyNES) As for FCEUXD (or FCEUd) -- it's one of the very few emulators available with a full debugger (and no... NESticle does not have a debugger). The only emus which might be able to even squeeze into the same category are NESten (buggy), and Nintendulator (slow - more of a tracer than a debugger - hard to use). And if you use either emu for hacking for more than 10 minutes, you'll clearly see why FCEUXD has them trumped in this department. So please stop encouraging NESticle use. It's bad enough people still use it because they're too lazy to switch, we don't need to hook beginners in and tell them to use one of, if not the worst popular NES emu in existance. (edited by Disch on 03-27-05 10:33 PM) (edited by Disch on 03-27-05 10:49 PM) |
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iamhiro1112 Armos Level: 35 Posts: 288/487 EXP: 259927 For next: 20009 Since: 03-27-04 From: sd Since last post: 18 days Last activity: 7 days |
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Originally posted by DischOriginally posted by iamhiro1112 Wow, I hate to see what this looked like before you edited it. At least you stopped short of cursing. |
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Dish Spiny Level: 38 Posts: 308/596 EXP: 355646 For next: 14801 Since: 03-15-04 From: Disch Since last post: 18 days Last activity: 18 days |
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| I only edited it for spelling errors and other typos. | |||
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bbitmaster Koopa Level: 18 Posts: 74/103 EXP: 25264 For next: 4633 Since: 03-28-04 From: Knoxville, tTN Since last post: 12 days Last activity: 7 days |
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Originally posted by iamhiro1112 Actually... I was keeping up with things and had two windows opened so I can say that I witnessed disch edit part of one line to make a minor correction the original line read something like this "As for FCEUXD (or FCEUd) going it's one of " which he edited to say this "As for FCEUXD (or FCEUd) -- it's one" there, that's all he changed. Personally, I thought he was a lot nicer than I would have been if I'd decided to type up a long response. |
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Setzer Popo Level: 36  Posts: 144/532 EXP: 290182 For next: 17928 Since: 04-22-04 From: Not Florida. because I'm going to sink it. Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 48 min. |
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Originally posted by Disch actually, I had an old computer before, 66Mhz, win 95. It wouldn't run NESticle. but it ran LoopyNES fine. so the moral of the story is: NESticle sucks kthxdie. |
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Lenophis Super Koopa Level: 44  Posts: 430/830 EXP: 584360 For next: 26925 Since: 03-15-04 From: Duluth, MN Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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| Nesticle = bad. Recommending anyone to use Nesticle = worse. Actually using Nesticle = horrible. Still using Nesticle to this day when there are at least 9 other better options = priceless. There are some things money can't buy, for everything else, there's p2p. |
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DahrkDaiz Red Super Koopa  Acmlm's Mosts 2005 Best ROM Hacker Level: 45  Posts: 568/885 EXP: 643520 For next: 16644 Since: 03-15-04 From: K-Town Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| ok, I hate to say it, but iamhiro, you're spreading misinformed opinions and really should not be relied on. So I'm going to consult with other, more knowledgable hackers and come up with a list and possibly an all round ROM-Hacking FAQ so threads like this will stop. I'll let this stay open for now for further discussion on emulators used for hacking, but I'm keeping my eye on you guys (the other eye sorta rolled out of it's socket, when I find it I'll also keep it on you guys). (edited by DahrkDaiz on 03-27-05 11:01 PM) (edited by DahrkDaiz on 03-27-05 11:03 PM) |
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iamhiro1112 Armos Level: 35 Posts: 289/487 EXP: 259927 For next: 20009 Since: 03-27-04 From: sd Since last post: 18 days Last activity: 7 days |
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| Well, my goal is to evaluate any emulator with debugging options. |
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