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Posted on 02-17-05 01:53 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Ziffski
If it were come down to the nuts and bolts of convential warfare, and a free-for-all were to occur...I'd honestly have to say that a nation like Australia would be the best survivor. It has a fairly sizeable military, and due to the fact that it is nestled in a hornet's nest of Muslim nations, it would be quite the defenisble peace of ass.


Can you expand on this a bit further? Are you saying that Indonesia, Malaysia, the Phillipines, Thailand etc would attack us, or that they'd form a shield against the rest of the world?

There is occasional talk of Indonesia as a military threat to Australia, but I don't buy it. As for the rest of the region... the countries are small and the region is very peaceful compared to the rest of the world. This goes double or triple for the Pacific island nations. Plus we have reasonable relations with all these countries... East Timor did a lot of damage to our relatonship with Indonesia but they're getting over it, and Malaysia's old PM was a constant critic of ours (he constantly mouthed off at everyone though), but yeah, decent relations.

People feel vulnerable, I guess, due to Australia's isolation and the foreignness of its neighbours. The "Yellow Peril" fears of the past 150 years still linger.

Also, our military isn't huge, but we are well armed. I think it's about 60 000 between the 3 branches. We have a sizable technological edge over Indonesia and the rest of the region, probably much better training and administration, and there's geographical defences as well - 3000 km of open sparsely populated country between our major cities and Asia.


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Posted on 02-18-05 12:45 AM Link | Quote
Think of them as an aggressive buffer zone. Any attacks against a more mighty nation (Australia) could be repelled with relative ease, but they are hornet nest when it comes to soverignity. So, say China got nutty and wanted Australia, they'd have to pull some way powerful diplomacy, or fight their way to Australia. Or if the relations between that part of the world were to improve, Aussielandia could easily have an excellent repelling point against many armies.
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Posted on 02-18-05 06:59 AM Link | Quote
The world IS a sphere... Why not just attack Australia at points where the islands surrounding it can't retailate fast enough to, like from Antarctica or something?

Also, I've been meaning to ask this for a while... Does naval power mean anything at all in modern warfare?
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Posted on 02-18-05 07:36 AM Link | Quote
It still means something because you still need aircraft carriers and the ability to launch troops into hostile areas. Aircraft isn't always the best way to transport goods. In short, it just depends on the situation...
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Posted on 02-18-05 09:09 AM Link | Quote
When you're an enormous island it's still considered kinda useful...
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Posted on 02-18-05 09:52 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Grey
The world IS a sphere... Why not just attack Australia at points where the islands surrounding it can't retailate fast enough to, like from Antarctica or something?

Also, I've been meaning to ask this for a while... Does naval power mean anything at all in modern warfare?


Yes, it is still the most powerful force.
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How so though? I mean, we have aircraft that can fire tactical missiles from several hundred miles or more away with excellent accuracy, and yet we still have commissioned battleships capable of more or less lobbing an explosive a few miles away from shore.

That's an obvious exaggeration, but the point is as far as destroying stuff power goes, how is naval power still the most powerful force?
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Posted on 02-19-05 09:19 AM Link | Quote
Because it is the most mobile thing. You can carry planes on boats. You can fire cruise missiles. You have things beneath the surface that can launch cruise missiles. You have dedicated anti-air ships. It can travel around the world. It can carry troops to where they need to go (you need an airstrip to properly land a large contingent of troops in modern warfare). With a boat, you can launch amphibious assault.
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Posted on 02-20-05 04:12 AM Link | Quote
All I know about modern warfare I learned from Civ2 :\
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Posted on 02-20-05 04:40 AM Link | Quote
Wasn't the majority of the Gulf War fought with long range missiles, though? The point is, there's got to be a time when technology will make naval power obsolete.
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Posted on 02-20-05 07:28 AM Link | Quote
You need mobile platforms for said guided cruise missiles. It is too hard to have them strike from mainland USA. So, the US Navy has them mounted on destroyers, etc.
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Posted on 02-21-05 08:51 AM Link | Quote
yeah, when firing from far away, you have to factor in wind, weather, and time--by having a strong navy, you can get more immediate results when firing from long range in the sea than from land. It gives less time for the people being attacked to respond.
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