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Gavin

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Posted on 01-30-05 08:32 PM Link | Quote
i was just curious if any of the next updates to the board will be updating and fixing the actual HTML output itself. Many inconsitancies, incorrect nesting, lack of tag closing, lack of tags period, make the the board code fairly digusting to be honest.

Is fixingthat going to be a priority down the road?
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Posted on 01-31-05 01:13 AM Link | Quote
Can this be said for the same thing for CSS?
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Posted on 01-31-05 03:58 AM Link | Quote
Not to be an ass or anything (okay, so I will be an ass, but whatever) but the code underneat does not really matter, unless you're a perfectionist.

I mean, it looks perfectly fine normally, and... yeah.
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Posted on 01-31-05 04:44 AM Link | Quote
using the language as it was intended isn't being a "perfectionist", it's just using something as it was intended. writing HTML or software that outputs HTML like this is the equivilant of white trash, lame ass ghetto wigger talk, and l337speak.
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Posted on 01-31-05 03:18 PM Link | Quote
It does matter. I have found a couple browsers which cannot view this board correctly because they don't know what to do with this shit. Also, this board is the only site that Firefox crashes on me with.
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Posted on 01-31-05 09:48 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by FreeDOS
Also, this board is the only site that Firefox crashes on me with.
After reading that, acmlmboards ROCK!

Oh yeah you people could maybe, just MAYBE, get a browser that doesn't suck?
(if you browser cant view a page correctly and others CAN, it's not the page's fault )
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Posted on 01-31-05 10:26 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by knuck
Originally posted by FreeDOS
Also, this board is the only site that Firefox crashes on me with.
After reading that, acmlmboards ROCK!

Oh yeah you people could maybe, just MAYBE, get a browser that doesn't suck?
(if you browser cant view a page correctly and others CAN, it's not the page's fault )
I'll take the odd crash (which I'm not experiencing, by the way) over system raping any day.
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Posted on 01-31-05 10:41 PM Link | Quote
Which browsers? The non-standard HTML doesn't break anything in Firefox and Internet Explorer for me, I think the only problem I've seen was unclosed font tags leaking out into the next cells in Internet Explorer for Macintosh (which I'd have fixed if I could test it) ...

While I do agree now that pure XHTML is better structured and has the best chance to work in all browsers, the biggest reason for the "bad" HTML was because omitting unneeded things (like quotes and tags) makes it significantly smaller, like: (all bunched up in one line for better comparison)

<table border="1"><tr><td><img src="someimage.png" /><br />Some text</td></tr><tr><td>Another cell</td></tr></table>

<table border><td><img src=someimage.png><br>Some text<tr><td>Another cell</table>


The second one is what you'd call trash, but both would give the same results in most good browsers, although I guess that's because they're a bit forgiving for things like this


As for the bad nesting, fixing it would possibly make the PHP code itself look messy, because the HTML is simply aligned with the code's indent
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Posted on 01-31-05 10:51 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Acmlm
As for the bad nesting, fixing it would possibly make the PHP code itself look messy, because the HTML is simply aligned with the code's indent
You mean it isn't?

And I don't see why nesting matters, there's no reason for it unless you're a perfectionist because it has no affect on anything and you don't really need to see the source
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Posted on 01-31-05 10:59 PM Link | Quote
As long as it works with all popular browsers I have no problem with it. It seems to work in IE5.5 for mac and Opera, IE and Firefox for windows. I think that's pretty good. Not sure about safari but, i think there shouldn't be any problems-
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Posted on 01-31-05 11:04 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by knuck
Originally posted by FreeDOS
Also, this board is the only site that Firefox crashes on me with.
After reading that, acmlmboards ROCK!

Oh yeah you people could maybe, just MAYBE, get a browser that doesn't suck?
(if you browser cant view a page correctly and others CAN, it's not the page's fault )


i'm glad i don't respect you in any way, or i might have cared about that comment.

i just don't understand why it's so hard for people to use correct HTML, i guess maybe it's just too complicated for some people


(edited by Gavin on 01-31-05 07:07 PM)
(edited by Gavin on 01-31-05 07:07 PM)
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Posted on 02-01-05 06:12 AM Link | Quote
I noticed this too. The code is just disgusting. "<table border>"? WTF? If you're going to write HTML you should take the extra few seconds to do it right. Smaller code, wtf? You're talking a few bytes here.
Originally posted by knuck
Originally posted by FreeDOS
Also, this board is the only site that Firefox crashes on me with.
After reading that, acmlmboards ROCK!

Oh yeah you people could maybe, just MAYBE, get a browser that doesn't suck?
(if you browser cant view a page correctly and others CAN, it's not the page's fault )

That gives me an idea... This board should have an 'ignore' feature like some others do.
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Posted on 02-01-05 07:12 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by knuck
Originally posted by FreeDOS
Also, this board is the only site that Firefox crashes on me with.
After reading that, acmlmboards ROCK!

Oh yeah you people could maybe, just MAYBE, get a browser that doesn't suck?
(if you browser cant view a page correctly and others CAN, it's not the page's fault )


I'm sorry, Internet Explorer is not on my system. Therefore, I don't have a browser that sucks.


(edited by FreeDOS on 02-01-05 03:13 AM)
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Posted on 02-01-05 01:24 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by knuck
Originally posted by FreeDOS
Also, this board is the only site that Firefox crashes on me with.
After reading that, acmlmboards ROCK!

Oh yeah you people could maybe, just MAYBE, get a browser that doesn't suck?
(if you browser cant view a page correctly and others CAN, it's not the page's fault )
Yep, IE crashed alot on this board when I used it. While Firefox 1.0 I hadn't had a single problem in.

Your right about not using a sucky browser, I don't. Firefox is so good.

The only browser I have seen that who have been acting odd on this board is IE 4.0. Just dosen't work well, but it's so outdated. And IE 5.0 is broken when it comes to alot of layouts... but then they're all outdated now so they really don't count.

(BTW, Knuck just copied what Yiffy Kitten said once. Before Yiffy Kitten even tried Firefox... now even him is in love with it. )


(edited by Kitten Yiffer on 02-01-05 09:26 AM)
(edited by Kitten Yiffer on 02-01-05 09:27 AM)
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Posted on 02-01-05 05:27 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by knuck
Originally posted by FreeDOS
Also, this board is the only site that Firefox crashes on me with.
After reading that, acmlmboards ROCK!

Oh yeah you people could maybe, just MAYBE, get a browser that doesn't suck?
(if you browser cant view a page correctly and others CAN, it's not the page's fault )
Wrong, very wrong. That's what makes Internet Explorer so bad, Internet Explorer is built to 'ignore' messy code. Internet Explorer completely ignores the W3C standards. Firefox takes these standards into account when outputting the HTML which makes it a bit 'stricter'.

Either way, if all webdesigners would write (X)HTML like it's supposed to be written, there wouldn't be any problem with incompatible webpages.

Oh yeah, and if you guys are planning on fixing up this board's source so it outputs valid XHTML, then all I have to say is good luck. It's a bitch. And I can tell since I spent months converting my semi-big site and forums to Transitional XHTML alone, it's not a 5 minute job.
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Posted on 02-01-05 08:25 PM Link | Quote
Firefox is better in some ways of handling 'bad' HTML. IE is just loose on HTML in general, even in some strange places where it shouldn't.
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Posted on 02-01-05 08:37 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Gavin
i just don't understand why it's so hard for people to use correct HTML, i guess maybe it's just too complicated for some people
Heh it's nice to call Acmlm and the other coders dumb. =o
Originally posted by HyperHacker
That gives me an idea... This board should have an 'ignore' feature like some others do.
So you hate me for stating how much i hate firefox?
Should i hate you for hating IE? Oh wait, i'm more mature than that.
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Posted on 02-01-05 09:03 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by knuck
Originally posted by Gavin
i just don't understand why it's so hard for people to use correct HTML, i guess maybe it's just too complicated for some people
Heh it's nice to call Acmlm and the other coders dumb. =o
He didn't. He knows that Acmlm can code correct HTML. He also knows that it'd take too much effort and create confusion if we started writing correct HTML now, and that we'd have to basically stop development and convert it to correct HTML if that'd ever get done.
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Posted on 02-01-05 09:16 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by knuck
Originally posted by Kitten Yiffer
(BTW, Knuck just copied what Yiffy Kitten said once. Before Yiffy Kitten even tried Firefox... now even him is in love with it. )
No i didn't.
If someone said something similar to that, it was Xkeeper.
Kitten Yiffer stop making things up. plzkthx
Yes he did. He posted it in a thread where YD plead to people to use JPG's and not TXT files.

Or maybe it was Legion... well that thread got deleted by "Legions cousin" anyway. :/
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Posted on 02-02-05 02:53 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by knuck
So you hate me for stating how much i hate firefox?
Should i hate you for hating IE? Oh wait, i'm more mature than that.
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