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Lenophis Super Koopa Level: 44 Posts: 355/830 EXP: 584360 For next: 26925 Since: 03-15-04 From: Duluth, MN Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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Originally posted by dan Dan: "It's ok for Nintendo to rename a game they didn't make to whatever they want, because they translated it. However, it's not ok for Squaresoft, original creator of the game, to fix said game, release it on a new system, with it's original name. Because we need to ridicule Squaresoft for fixing a mistake that Nintendo made." Dan, you are basing this on the assumption that Squaresoft merely just ported it to the PSX. And for the most part it was. But you can't sit here and call it a direct port of the American version. Bugs were fixed, dialogue changed (as if it were re-translated), so you can't say with absolute certainty that they "retroactively renamed it." For all you know, it was a complete redoing of the original version, so stop with the guesswork.
I'm presenting the truth. You won't accept the truth. You say you base your logic on what Nintendo says, and the GoodSnes name? GoodSnes probably based the label on what Nintendo gave it. I'll even quote Shakespeare: "A rose by any other name will smell just as sweet." The rose is in this case, is the original name, which is FF6. Which Nintendo renamed to fool morons (and since you are taking that bait, you are included in that list) and make them ignorant of the truth (and you've shown a good example of that as well). You have said that someone shouldn't just go and rename something on a whim, then why do you say that Nintendo can get away with it? Renaming is renaming, doesn't matter when it was done during production. Nintendo was wrong, the GoodSNES set naming was based on that wrong information, so guess what that makes you? Wrong on all accounts. And yet, you insist that Squaresoft is at fault.... But since you have shown ignorance, arguing with you is as pointless as arguing with anybody. Because "I cannot possibly be wrong, it's me." Even with the correct information, you refuse to accept it. "...he's just being an idiot about it." That was my last try, if at this point you wish to "be an idiot" and still stand by your misguided logic, go ahead. Mod, I call you, close this. Since you seem to win "cuz I'm the mod." |
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drjayphd Beamos What's that spell? pimp! Level: 56 Posts: 866/1477 EXP: 1387410 For next: 10766 Since: 03-15-04 From: CT Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by Chibi Gatomon That ship has sailed LOOOONG ago, my fine feathered friend. ANYWAY, as far as what you were asking, I'm certain there's different codes for v1.0 and v1.1. (cracks open a beer and watches the Special Olympics) |
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Nebetsu Shmee Level: 55 Posts: 952/1574 EXP: 1291130 For next: 23059 Since: 09-01-04 From: Nebland Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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Ok. So lets get the whole FF names thing straight so I'm not confused. FF I (NES/PS/GBA) FF II (NES/PS/GBA) FF III (NES) FF IV (SNES/PS) = American FF II (SNES) FF V (SNES/PS) FF VI (SNES/PS) = American FF III (SNES) FF VII (PS) FF VIII (PS) FF IX (PS) FF X (PS2) FF X-2 (PS2) FF XI (PS2) That's right... right? |
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Vystrix Nexoth Level: 30 Posts: 260/348 EXP: 158678 For next: 7191 Since: 03-15-04 From: somewhere between anima and animus Since last post: 3 days Last activity: 2 days |
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Nebetsu: that list is indeed correct. In addition:
Furthermore, none of the Game Boy "Final Fantasy" games are actually Final Fantasy games:
Final Fantasy Mystic Quest is noteworthy as being the only Final Fantasy game, to my knowledge, to be released in America before Japan. After the success of "Final Fantasy II" (FF4) in America, Square was originally going to release Final Fantasy V here (under the name "Final Fantasy Extreme" due to its difficulty compared to FF4, let alone the easytype version we got, which is a story in itself), but instead opted to develop a game specifically for the American audience. That game was Final Fantasy Mystic Quest. The Japanese audience, though, stuck out their collective bottom lips and stamped their collective feet, so Square translated it into Japanese and released it there, under the name "Final Fantasy USA". Final Fantasy IV has the most convoluted story out of all the games. The original version (now known as the "Hardtype" version) was Japanese-only. Square later modified the game to make it easier (either you get more experience or don't need as much, I don't remember which), and released this "Final Fantasy IV Easytype", again only in Japan. When Square opted to translate it into English and release it to American audiences, they translated the Easytype version, and that became our "Final Fantasy II". Along the way, some parts of the game were culled away, such as Cecil's "Dark Wave" attack (which you can still see when he fights himself atop Mt. Ordeals), Rosa's "Prayer" command (which heals everyone by a small amount but with no MP cost), and such. These are not present in FF2US, but I don't remember whether they were present in FF4ET. Anyhow, once Square decided to re-release FF4-FF6 on the PlayStation, they, as we know, used the original numbers this time around. Plus, with Final Fantasy IV, the translation and game were finally based on the original, "Hardtype" version. The PlayStation re-releases of Final Fantasy II and Final Fantasy V mark the first time those games have officially been released in America (or Europe for that matter), along with the original "Hardtype" of Final Fantasy IV, as mentioned. Final Fantasy III remains the only game that has not officially been released outside Japan. [Edit] For reference, here's a table showing each of the Final Fantasy games, all ports thereof that I'm aware of, and the names under which they are known in Japan and America:
* Regarding the Playstation ports of Final Fantasy I and Final Fantasy II:
And, for completeness, the Game Boy "Final Fantasy" games, along with the other games in their respective series, for comparison:
"Secret of Evermore" was Made in America (edited by Vystrix Nexoth on 02-08-05 03:38 AM) (edited by Vystrix Nexoth on 02-08-05 04:44 AM) (edited by Vystrix Nexoth on 02-08-05 10:59 PM) |
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 6606/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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Yeah, the FF Legend games are all SaGa games. FFL1 is notable for having one of the WORST translations Square has ever produced... FFL2 was a bit better, FFL3 was decent. The FFL1 translation is surprising given that the game included a decent long manual to boot. I think they spent more time on the manual than the game. And didn't FF4 get a WS port? |
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Lenophis Super Koopa Level: 44 Posts: 360/830 EXP: 584360 For next: 26925 Since: 03-15-04 From: Duluth, MN Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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Originally posted by Colleen Indeed it did. And thank you VN for that table, even though some would choose to ignore it... I'm surpised Tactics and every FF1, FF4, and FF6 hack aren't in that list! [/sarcasm] |
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Heian-794 Red Super Koopa Level: 44 Posts: 640/896 EXP: 611014 For next: 271 Since: 06-01-04 From: Kyoto, Japan Since last post: 21 days Last activity: 10 days |
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Originally posted by Vystrix Nexoth |
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Vystrix Nexoth Level: 30 Posts: 266/348 EXP: 158678 For next: 7191 Since: 03-15-04 From: somewhere between anima and animus Since last post: 3 days Last activity: 2 days |
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duly noted. I prepared a standalone page with the tables above: http://zero-soul.panicus.org/misc/ffgames.html - that should have the corrections mentioned. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 6675/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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If SoE was released in Japan, it was under a totally different name that didn't include the word "Evermore". I can't be bothered to check right now but I know it received multiple European released and an American release. I think that's it. |
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