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| Acmlm's Board - I2 Archive - Hardware/Software - Microsoft to limit Security Fixes to Legal Copies of Windows |
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get.  Level: 73  Posts: 1181/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Microsoft are going to be limiting availability of patches to users of pirated versions of Windows. Soon apparently the only way you will be able to get an update is through the automated process, and even that might not last long. Article at MSNBC Article at Reuters I wonder if there'll still be administrative updates for things or not... interesting. Oh well, my copies of Windows are legal.  |
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Sokarhacd Ball and Chain Trooper Resistance is Futile You Will Be Assimilated Hab SoSlI' Quch Level: 61  Posts: 1008/1757 EXP: 1799888 For next: 76708 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 4 hours |
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| good thing my XP is...dont have any other copies..it came with this pc, so yeah...but it will suck for people with pirated copies. | |||
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get. Level: 73 Posts: 1182/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Yes, it will suck for those people, and there are a LOT of people with pirated copies... I know that there are a lot of users in the home computing environment with dodgy copies of just about everything. Course, if they are going to try to use this as a way of then selling legitimate copies of Windows, I hope that they are able to do so at a price that people can afford easily... .. otherwise I dread that this may lead to more zombie boxes used by spammers / hackers to spam / DDoS people... simply because people can no longer patch their machines. (edited by Tarale on 01-26-05 10:16 AM) |
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 7407/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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| Consideirng i'm using the in-built windows update it's not a big annoyance. I hate Windows update, it's buggy sometimes. And little slow at times. :/ I only pirated Windows once, and that what with Win95. We bought a legal version later on, and we hadn't bought any Windows since then. Since it comes with most computers. Wouldn't be too surprised if few peopel found a way around that, but then I somehow doubt that people with pirated versions care enough. :/ |
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Ran-chan Moldorm eek, when are they going to stop growing... Level: 143  Posts: 6942/12781 EXP: 35293588 For next: 538220 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima District, Tokyo - Japan Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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Assholes.  My windows XP is pirated. Not that I update windows that often but still.Besides, how do they know if your run a pirated win XP or not? I |
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FreeDOS Lava Lotus Wannabe-Mod :< Level: 59 Posts: 1036/1657 EXP: 1648646 For next: 24482 Since: 03-15-04 From: Seattle Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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What concerns me more is this: My Windows 2000 installation has no Internet Explorer. No automatic updates anyway.  Besides, how do they know if your run a pirated win XP or not? It checks the serial key that you installed it with. (edited by FreeDOS on 01-26-05 03:03 PM) |
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Ramsus Octoballoon Level: 19 Posts: 10/162 EXP: 34651 For next: 1126 Since: 01-24-05 From: United States Since last post: 39 days Last activity: 71 days |
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| So if someone obtains and uses your serial key somehow, both your copy and his get marked as pirated, and no more updates for either of you? It's really hard to find a good way to prevent and detect piracy. Doesn't impact me as a Mac user though, but I have to buy a copy of Tiger when it comes out this year. Software isn't cheap. Even if you use Free Software, with few exceptions (depending on your hardware and luck) you usually spend a lot of time twiddling with things when you could have been working and making money. |
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get. Level: 73 Posts: 1185/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| If you buy a copy of Windows with hardware, you can get an OEM licence, which is cheaper... But I also wonder if this kind of thing will be the push some people need to become Switchers. The Mac Mini's just been released....... |
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neotransotaku Baby Mario 戻れたら、 誰も気が付く Level: 87 Posts: 1970/4016 EXP: 6220548 For next: 172226 Since: 03-15-04 From: Outside of Time/Space Since last post: 11 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| Probably not because of the people who do pirate, what would they use the computer to do? In addition, most of the people would probably do automatic update anyways. So, I think this won't work too well unless people become paranoid about it... | |||
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FreeDOS Lava Lotus Wannabe-Mod :< Level: 59 Posts: 1037/1657 EXP: 1648646 For next: 24482 Since: 03-15-04 From: Seattle Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| Actually, keys get blocked when they are distributed a bit on the Internet. Microsoft has some "agents" (for lack of a better word) in the underground pirating groups. They find out what keys are being distributed. One of their main battles is that there is a program (name omitted) that truely generates Windows XP, Office XP, and Visio XP keys. The key algorithm is good to make millions of different keys. The likelihood that the program will generate previosly-blocked keys is very slim. |
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Emptyeye Real American Level: 67 Posts: 1320/2273 EXP: 2488421 For next: 104451 Since: 05-24-04 From: I DUNNOOOOOOOO!! Since last post: 9 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| I think the main effect will be people switching to other OSes, actually. | |||
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get. Level: 73 Posts: 1188/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| I've had perfectly legitimate keys blocked before, as they've been distributed too much. I had a Windows XP that was a site licence, and allowed to be used by home users under the agreement with Microsoft. Install XP, try to do an update, and it tells me that I can't as my key has been blocked due to it being pirated. This was some two years ago.... As for the idea of people Switching... if people are fed up enough with the viruses / spyware / zombiness of their machines AND the fact that they can't patch it -- they will look at solutions. They might buy a copy of Windows -- but some users are going to be fed up with Windows too and look at alternatives. I hope they do, cause some competition for Microsoft is a GOOD THING. |
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neotransotaku Baby Mario 戻れたら、 誰も気が付く Level: 87 Posts: 1971/4016 EXP: 6220548 For next: 172226 Since: 03-15-04 From: Outside of Time/Space Since last post: 11 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| yeah, we need an "mozilla" operating system to come along. I say this because I've heard reports that IE is now losing market share |
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 7427/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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Originally posted by EmptyeyeWindows usage will get lower then, but not sales. But I honestly doubt that most pirates care about security.  For home users, I couldn't see other alternativ than Macintosh. Linux is just too hard for the average joe to use.  |
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Rydain Ropa Blaze Phoenix Runs With the Dragon Within Level: 42  Posts: 420/738 EXP: 490056 For next: 31306 Since: 03-15-04 From: State College, PA Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 8 hours |
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| *Rydain adds this to the list of problems she's never going to have Hooray for Debian! At any rate...I understand that Microsoft wants to limit their OS improvements to paying customers...but this chafes my ass because unpatched Windows boxes affect the rest of us as well. Much of the spam I receive is sent through zombie drones, virtually all of which run Windows. Somebody on Slashdot suggested that they limit upgrades of DirectX instead. Nobody is going to get trojaned and have their box turn into a zombie drone because DirectX is old, and they'll actually care about updating that so they can play the latest games (whereas many people just don't give a crap about security fixes because they don't understand how important they are). |
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get. Level: 73 Posts: 1192/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Ah, you are lucky that you can cross this off your list I still get to support 700 schools as part of my work, all of which run Windows, and some of which may have keys that will fail when trying to update. And I'm going to be supposed to know what to do.... (that is easy and doesn't install any reinstallation of the OS)... As for people who worry about security patches -- my clients when I ran a business used to worry about that stuff. I think that's cause I used to feed them horror stories about hackers and trojans and zombies, oh my! |
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 7437/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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| Maybe this is totally unrelated, but this thread got did enlighten my Linux intrest yet again. ...I should create another thread about Linux again, I need advice about distro and such. Fedora is too bloated for my old computer... I may even dare installing it on this win XP computer but i'm so afraid to screw up. Even if I installed it succefully on a Win 98 computer. The reason i'm intrested in Linux is becuse it's diffrent, I feel quite confident with the Unix envirmoent but far from being fully used to it. And back on topic, Windows aren't a big security hole as some peple make it. As long you keep up to date and use an alternative browser... hell Linux is the same. If you don't update and have messed up settings then someone can in theory hack your box to hell. |
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HyperLamer <||bass> and this was the soloution i thought of that was guarinteed to piss off the greatest amount of people Sesshomaru Tamaranian Level: 118 Posts: 3048/8210 EXP: 18171887 For next: 211027 Since: 03-15-04 From: Canada, w00t! LOL FAD Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| We need a Linux distro that's as easy to use as Windows. Really, this isn't too big a deal, because M$ sucks at detecting pirated copies anyway. A quick change of key and you're back online; there are programs all over that can generate keys. Their only chance would be to essentially shut down any copies with 'pirate' keys, and that's too risky for them to do because of the likelyhood that legit copies will get shut down too. (And even then, just re-install with a different key. ) |
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FreeDOS Lava Lotus Wannabe-Mod :< Level: 59 Posts: 1040/1657 EXP: 1648646 For next: 24482 Since: 03-15-04 From: Seattle Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| "We need a Linux distro that's as easy to use as Windows. " Define your term of "easy to use" if it's the glaring "WELCOME TO YOUR FIRST COMPUTER" ease, then yeah... nothing matches that because they don't expect dumb people to download and install them. Windows is particullarly difficult to get it to do what you want to do (especially releases after 2000, where security options seem to have no more shortcuts). There's Fedora, SUSE, Red Hat, Mandrake for ease-of-use to a newcomer... I wouldn't recommend any of them to people who want the fastest or best-performing GNU/Linux system. |
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 6412/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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And that's why I adore XPKey.exe.  Sure, it takes a little while to come up with a code or two, but the vast majority of them work on any XP machine. (Translation: If it generates a unique or fairly unique code, you're cool.) |
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