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HyperLamer <||bass> and this was the soloution i thought of that was guarinteed to piss off the greatest amount of people Sesshomaru Tamaranian Level: 118 Posts: 2724/8210 EXP: 18171887 For next: 211027 Since: 03-15-04 From: Canada, w00t! LOL FAD Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Well of course I had to install it because a bunch of its files are somehow missing from the CD, and stuff doesn't work without them. So one huge download later, I open the installer... Oh, make that TWO huge downloads. Now I don't know where it got the idea that I wanted Media Player installed, or IE and Media Player icons in Quick Launch, but that's another rant. After downloading stuff, it comes up with a message that some file hasn't passed compatibility testing and won't be installed. (So what, M$ is admitting IE is unsafe?) After the installation is supposedly complete, it reboots the system with no warning whatsoever. (M$ just loves to do that don't they? At least Visual Studio - which also won't install for whatever reason - told me it was going to first. Not like I should have a choice or anything.  ) I start it up, get a coupla error messages, and guess what. Besides Quick Launch icons I didn't want, everything is exactly the same. So, eh,  ? |
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Flash Newcomer Level: 3  Posts: 2/3 EXP: 90 For next: 38 Since: 12-31-04 Since last post: 306 days Last activity: 191 days |
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| I'd dump IE for Mozilla, or the newest version of Firefox. Windows is so proprietary, it's ridiculous. Just some friendly advice. | |||
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HyperLamer <||bass> and this was the soloution i thought of that was guarinteed to piss off the greatest amount of people Sesshomaru Tamaranian Level: 118 Posts: 2727/8210 EXP: 18171887 For next: 211027 Since: 03-15-04 From: Canada, w00t! LOL FAD Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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I did a loooooong time ago, but I still need the IE core for parts of Windoze, such as Visual Studio, to work.  Also, I think it'd be awesome if the computer didn't freeze whenever I plugged in speakers, like I could before. (edited by HyperHacker on 12-30-04 08:59 PM) |
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get.  Level: 73  Posts: 1086/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| There's been a trend for a while where Microsoft have been dumping it's backwards compatability as far as development tools go... I don't know if that is what is happening with Visual Studio or not though. As for IE, do you have XP Service Pack 2? You might need to try to drop down Internet Security settings...? Not sure. Need more info, I guess. Oh, and yeah, I know why you need IE... a bunch of the Windows API depends upon it. (Amongst other weird, esoteric sections of windows)(edited by Tarale on 12-31-04 09:07 AM) |
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HyperLamer <||bass> and this was the soloution i thought of that was guarinteed to piss off the greatest amount of people Sesshomaru Tamaranian Level: 118 Posts: 2745/8210 EXP: 18171887 For next: 211027 Since: 03-15-04 From: Canada, w00t! LOL FAD Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Forget the API, I'm talking about core Windoze programs themselves, such as the product registration thing (which will shut down your OS if not registered in a month or so) being written entirely in Javascript/VBScript. (WTF?) I think it's working now, not sure how it happened, I just rebooted and it said the install was finished.  May as well leave this open tho, since I just know something else will come up. (In fact I am having another annoying problem right now, but unless any of you guys work for Cogeco I doubt you can help. ) |
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KsoftFusion Paragoomba Level: 15  Posts: 29/71 EXP: 13389 For next: 2995 Since: 06-19-04 From: I don't know, gimme a map. Since last post: 25 days Last activity: 1 day |
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| I see your pain. I uninstalled IE on my Win98 machine and now lots of things have gone out of whack. I try installing IE 6 (Which I never had) and it claims that I am trying to install IE 4 on a computer with IE 5. Odd. | |||
FreeDOS Lava Lotus Wannabe-Mod :< Level: 59 Posts: 959/1657 EXP: 1648646 For next: 24482 Since: 03-15-04 From: Seattle Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| Do you realise that Quick Launch resides inside an Internet Explorer directory? edit: two stupid spelling errors (edited by FreeDOS on 01-02-05 10:07 PM) |
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Jesper Busy, busy, busy. Level: 69  Posts: 1496/2390 EXP: 2856000 For next: 13743 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden. Since last post: 176 days Last activity: 79 days |
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Originally posted by HyperHackerFirst of all, you can choose to not install Media Player with the Minimal / Custom mode (which honestly I thought you would have taken). Second of all, it continues to seem like something's fundamentally wrong with your Windows setup. When you do reinstall Windows again, install SP2 and all patches, and let IE stay put. Do not try to remove it, just do not use it. IE is nowadays just basically a marketing name for the frontend of the browser. The rendering engine and associated internet libraries are parts of Windows now, and as you note, part of the Activation registration program as well as for example the Visual Studio installer. Trying to rip out any part of an OS is a good recipe for trouble, and while I could see that it's not appealing to let it stay there for someone that dislikes it as much as you, the disadvantages and potential problems outweigh the relatively small nuisance of having it stay on the computer and keep it secured by installing updates and hotfixes (which is pretty much automatic these days with SP2 - it can even do it for you in 10 minutes before you shut down if you want it to). |
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FreeDOS Lava Lotus Wannabe-Mod :< Level: 59 Posts: 961/1657 EXP: 1648646 For next: 24482 Since: 03-15-04 From: Seattle Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| Better yet, download Service Pack 2 ("network" install) and hotfixes since then. Use nLite to make a slipstreamed CD with those files. You can also safely remove IE from Windows with nLite. Jesper, IE is not part of the OS. It's only disguised as that. You actually sound like a MSCE. At first they said it's impossible. And after 98lite was published, they said it is dangerous. All that means is that Microsoft likes to waste 80MB on everyone's hard disk. | |||
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Jesper Busy, busy, busy. Level: 69 Posts: 1504/2390 EXP: 2856000 For next: 13743 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden. Since last post: 176 days Last activity: 79 days |
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Originally posted by FreeDOSI'm not saying it's not possible to remove it - I know it is. I'm saying that at best IE is hard to define, since the rendering engine, the IE shell, and the associated functions providing convenience-wrappers for reaching the Internet are each separate creatures, which makes it hard to *only* remove IE and at the same time not fuck up the rest of the OS, where parts actually depend on some of the stock stuff being there - for whatever reason. I'm not saying that it's an inherently good decision (I think quite the opposite, in fact), but if you do not want to experience the shit HyperHacker and KsoftFusion just experienced, then the best way is to simply not touch them. Nothing is a *part* of the OS, it's all modular from the beginning. (By part of the OS I meant part of the core install - what Microsoft expects you to have and thus develop for, I'm sorry if this wasn't clear.) However, it's not practically modular because the modules depend on each other, and like I said, the rendering engine (at least) is being assumed to exist in the most arcane places. It's a DLL like all other DLLs, and if your system depends on it (which it partially does), I suggest keeping it there, and I do indeed think that it could be dangerous. I'd rather have 80MB taken than an incomplete stock install. If you think I sound like an MSCE, then the only thing that shows is that you don't see the situation in the same light that I do or that you live by stereotypes (I'm using a Mac right now, and I've written far more code for LAMP than for any Windows solution). I've personally messed up both Linux and Windows installations by trying to remove parts like that, and it will only lead to problems in the long run when patches and SPs make assumptions about your setup - assumptions invalidated if stuff is missing. Hell, if you even CAN install those SPs, since access to Windows Update is partially based on ActiveX. To summarize: we could argue until the cows come home about what constitutes a part of the OS, if IE is unneeded bulk and if it's doable to completely remove IE or any of its components from the OS while keeping everything else, but there remains one fact, which was my debating point all along: that Windows works better if you do not fuck with it. |
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