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Anya The Exile Ultima Mezcla de Yin Yan Level: 98  Posts: 3793/5337 EXP: 9530313 For next: 124040 Since: 03-15-04 From: South Florida Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 2 days |
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| Since I've been working at the game store, I've been hearing a lot of point of views about cheating in video games. Some won't even pick up a strategy, saying that is a form of cheating. Now, I normally only use the guide to help me out in RPGs and the likes. And for the most, I'm several pages ahead before I look down at the book. I don't really see it has a form of cheating, but more or less, a, well, guide. I hear people saying that it ruins the game....well, that's normally the case if... a) the book was badly written in the first place b) you look through the book before you play it c) you read every inch and corner of the book Now, all the Gamesharks and so forth, now I see that as cheating. I actually don't feel like selling things like that, especially to kids. What is that teaching them, huh?  The only game that I have really cheated on, were the two newest GTA titles. I will admit, I used cheat codes that I found online. That's pretty much it. |
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Alastor the Stylish Hey! I made a cool game! It's called "I poisoned half the food, so if you eat you might die!" Have a taco.  Level: 114  Posts: 3869/7620 EXP: 16258468 For next: 51099 Since: 03-15-04 From: Oregon, US Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| No. I'm quite anti-cheating, though, I will occasionally pick up a strategy guide... If only for the sake of completion. I don't really view it as cheating. As for game enhancers... They can be used for good as well as evil. Modifying things to make games more random and bizzare is good. Plus, if it weren't for my AR, I'd give up on pok | |||
Karadur Fire Snake  Level: 48  Posts: 407/1192 EXP: 786444 For next: 37099 Since: 11-02-04 From: Chatham, Ontario, Canada Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 15 hours |
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Well, as far as using a player's guide, FAQ / Walkthrough, or any other thing that fits into that category, I try to avoid it if I'm at all able to. I find the game more fun to play if I'm able to figure out things myself, and possibly beat the game without looking at a guide. If I'm able to do that, then I go back and take a look at an FAQ / Walkthrough to see what sort of things I missed. Like you posted, Anya, it does ruin the game to read through the whole book ahead of time; there's no element of surprise as to what's going to come next  The last player's guide I got was one for Majora's Mask. We didn't even own the game back then. I'd just bought it because I liked Zelda games The only Gameshark we ever had was for N64, and my brother busted that by opening it up and 'unknowingly' touching all the stuff inside  Most of the time I use those things to try to make a code for infinite money, or infinite health or something. As long as I'm not able to just go into a list and pick what cheats I want to enable, it's fine by me. Unfortuantely, 70% of the people that buy one of those won't ever think of trying to make their own codes.Then, there's also the things you wouldn't be able to get in games normally. Stuff that's otherwise not been used in the final version of the game, that you can only get to through a code / codes. In short, if you're going to cheat, as long as you put some personal effort into getting as far through the game as you can beforehand, you're trying to make your own cheats, or you need it for something that's not accessible in the game normally, I don't see anything wrong with it  |
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Holy Knight Koopa Level: 16  Posts: 4/107 EXP: 19628 For next: 628 Since: 12-23-04 Since last post: 26 days Last activity: 25 days |
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| Well, I wouldn't call a guide book a form of cheating since you still have to do the work, its just that it ruins or spoils the game so to speak. Any time your about to fight a boss, you can look up strats to beat it when you could take the time to figure out your own plan. Sometimes, unexpected things happen in games which would require the gamer to come up with ideas of how to tackle the problem spontaneously, but when you already know what the hell is about to happen then the experience isn't as good imo. | |||
Xeolord - B l u e s - Power Metal > All Level: 81  Posts: 819/3418 EXP: 4884196 For next: 108653 Since: 03-15-04 From: Yeah Since last post: 15 hours Last activity: 15 hours |
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| Ever since the days of my Gameshark deleting my OoT files, I haven't cared to use one since. I'm quite anti-cheating, anti-FAQ, myself. Why? That's me, face it, like it or hate it. I've had these kinds of my debates with my friends and it really just comes down to the type of gamer you are. Example: My friend told me he had been using GameFAQ's for nearly everything in Suikoden II, where to go, what to do, who to get. This is a game spanning about 50+ hours of gameplay, and has a total of 108 characters go get. Do I care? No, where's the gratification that YOU got them? With a FAQ, nowhere. I played this game and used no help whatsoever, and loved every minute of it. Sure, maybe I got a 10+ hour bonus on top of all this, but does it really matter? I played the game to my liking and refused to seek help through a FAQ or whatnot. I think it degrades such a game when you read something "this guy is HERE, in this town, DO THIS to get him." Thanks? For the same friend, he used FAQ's for nearly the entire Metroid Prime game. And guess what? When I go on and on about how wonderful that game is he's just kind "ugh yeah sure". Why? Maybe because he didn't get the fun of figuring out things for himself, exploring the world to his extent, getting the satisfaction of finding items alone, playing the game? I'm all for figuring things out myself. Back in the day did we have GameFAQ's for Metroid? Sure, maybe we did, but at 5 years old of age could I really manage to get there on a computer? Or even read for the matter? No. Puzzles are fun, and I like to find out how to get through them on my own. I buy some strategy guides myself for use as Kyouji Craw mentioned. Mainly for RPG's, -after- I have successfully reached the end of the game and am going back to collect things. Hell, I bought the FFIX strategy guide when I was one the 4th Disc. Ironically, I still ended up getting all cards, not missing any of the ones that were "get or miss", on my own. Other times I simply buy Strategy guides as a trophy or collectors item. As for cheating? Don't even get me started. Maybe I'm just some WACKO freak whom happens to love battles in RPG's. To me, the gameplay / battle system is nearly 50% of the game. Example? Xenosaga, I got so bored with that game at about 20-30 hours of gameplay and just stopped playing it because the battle system was so lame. I have a friend who'll instinctively cheat on RPG's, here's why. "I play for the storyline, not for boring battles." Being quite a nerd, this just pisses me off. As I said before, I'd say battling in RPG's is nearly half of the entire game. That's almost a factor to why I buy certain RPG's, "to have fun fighting". But do I cheat? Yes. Easily. Once I've completed a game, I have no problem in going back and possibly cheating. But I'd still argue to "rightfully" play the game, play it as it was made and by yourself like a real gamer. Go ahead, take this post offensively if you wish. That's just the gamer I am. I buy games, to play them the way they were meant to be played and with no help unless it's beyond impossibility. If you've managed to get through and read all of this, I congratualate you on witnessing my biggest arguement about gaming I guess this calls for the "My 2 cents" that some would say? That's my 2 cents. |
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Karadur Fire Snake Level: 48 Posts: 409/1192 EXP: 786444 For next: 37099 Since: 11-02-04 From: Chatham, Ontario, Canada Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 15 hours |
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I forgot to add something to my first post. I do use walkthroughs for some games right from the start, but they all into the category of ROMs that are Japanese, with no translation patch released. I don't read the language (although I'm trying to learn it  ), so it's quite hard to figure out where to go and what to do. Of course, if I continue on this, it'd belong in the Emu Ethics thread instead, so I'll stop there.Originally posted by Xeogred I went through the game probably the same way you did. The only help I had was the thing that pops up periodically with a hint, telling you to press 'Z' to see where to go on the map. That's another thing right there. What about the hint systems they put in games? What's your opinion on those? Personally, I think that if they don't spoil a whole lot of the game (guiding you through every step) they're just fine being there. The only example I've seen of that is in Metroid Prime, and there was an option to turn that off anyways. The one purchase you can make in the GRADE shop in Tales of Symphonia also comes to mind. If you've collected 3000 GRADE, you can 'buy' something that multiplies whatever experience you get at the end of a battle by 10. This, as I found on my 3rd or 4th playthrough, makes the game quite easy on lower difficulties. Do you think it's ok to choose that option, keeping in mind that you wouldn't have enough GRADE needed to buy it 'till your 2nd or 3rd play of the game? Back on the topic of what Xeogred said, I can understand why your friend didn't seem to think the game was all that great. He was just guided through everything, and pretty much didn't get to do anything himself except control Samus. The bosses might've been a bit exciting, but still, I like it better when I beat any boss in any game, without knowing beforehand what to do when I fought it. Here's another question for you. If you don't have a younger sibling, or if you're off living on your own, just assume you do for this bit. They're playing the game, but they've got themselves stuck at a part that you know how to get through, but they obviously don't. Let's say they ask you how to get through it. Do you tell them, or do you leave them to figure it out themselves? I'd rather leave them to figure it out themselves, but from my experiences, they won't stop bugging you 'till you tell them what to do Originally posted by Xeogred Exactly. As long as your make your best effort to beat the game without help once, I see no problem with going through it again and cheating. |
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Tamarin Calanis We exist. Earth exists. The universe exists. Do we really need to know why? Level: 59 Posts: 218/1802 EXP: 1672751 For next: 377 Since: 07-12-04 From: The gas station on the corner... Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| Games are made to have fun. For some people, that means cheating to get a god-like character or every gun in the game. For others, that means not using a strategy guide and using a code to make the game harder. I hate being stuck somewhere. A difficult puzzle, an item I can't find, whatever the case it pisses me off. So I'll look at a guide to figure it out so I can get on with the rest of the game. I try to figure things out myself, but when it's too hard I'd rather find the solution and get on with the game. Using codes to get stuff that's not normally in the game is fine with me. Using a Gameshark to make custom characters in FFT (if only I had a gameshark...) is fine with me. Feel like making the game harder? Go right ahead. Just want to have the satisfaction of destroying everything with the strongest weapon in existence? Hey, fine with me. Whatever makes the game fun for you. *re-reads the posts in the thread* What? Am I the only one who doesn't see this as some sort of moral issue and just wants to have fun with his games?  |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 2080/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| I don't, and I don't care as long as it doesn't piss me off on Starcraft. | |||
JR11 Rex Level: 35  Posts: 251/533 EXP: 278666 For next: 1270 Since: 06-07-04 From: Po-Town, ON Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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| The only time I cheat is if I've earned the cheats, like unlocking them in the THPS games. | |||
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Dylan Devil Trumpets and Angel Trombones ~ Level: 54  Posts: 1223/1407 EXP: 1181697 For next: 52173 Since: 06-19-04 From: Ottawa, Canada. Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 6 hours |
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| I cheat in GTA. Its great to fly around in a jetpack and shoot people with a rocket launcher. Cheating is a part of what makes the game fun, the missions can get dull. But other than that, with games that I am playing, I only cheat after I beat the game. But thats because I like to find out what happens how its supposed to. Arcade-style games with no real plot, cheat away. Also, Kyouji, what is an AR? |
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Prier Archangel Administrative Priestess. NUCLEAR SUB WEEEOOOO Level: 119  Posts: 4525/8392 EXP: 18790939 For next: 138352 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima Dist. - Tokyo, Japan Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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| I don't even think of cheating until I've gone through the game and beat it once. If I've tried hundreds of times and can't get past a certain spot after weeks of attempts, then yea, I'll cheat or use a guide. If I've beaten the game and want completion, I'll use a guide too. Not like Santa's going to drop down whatever chimney and say I've been a bad boy and rocket coal at my PS2 neither. |
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Grey the Stampede Don't mess with powers you don't understand. And yes. That means donuts. Level: 82  Posts: 1489/3770 EXP: 5192909 For next: 16318 Since: 06-17-04 From: Kingston, RI, USA, Earth Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| I used to be the biggest cheater in the gaming world, back when I was like 6 or 7 and I wasn't any good at the games I played. Nowadays, I think cheating is just the worst thing a person can do in a game. I won't touch strategy guides unless I've beaten the game and I wanna try my hand at godmoding, I only use cheat codes again if I've beaten the game already and even then only to have fun (like the news headline display system in GTA). As far as cheating in GTA goes, actually, by the end of the game I've amassed so much money that I don't need to cheat to get a rocket launcher. |
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HyperLamer <||bass> and this was the soloution i thought of that was guarinteed to piss off the greatest amount of people Sesshomaru Tamaranian Level: 118 Posts: 2633/8210 EXP: 18171887 For next: 211027 Since: 03-15-04 From: Canada, w00t! LOL FAD Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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I generally avoid cheating unless the difficulty level is getting to the point of no longer being any fun. What I usually do is play through the game with as little help as possible, then go back and use cheats to get the extras. Strategy guides I usually only use as a quick reference or to look up how to get secrets. I prefer to make my own strategies and such, it's more fun that way. If a level is particularly frustrating I will use cheats to get by it, though. I also like to hack GS/AR codes, not so much to cheat with as just for the fun of making them. (Hence why I often make codes that aren't especially useful for cheating. ) Also once I've finished a game it's often fun to just throw on an assload of cheats and plow through it again as fast as possible.  My brother on the other hand, he just cheats at everything whenever possible. I hate that. |
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Keitaro Iron Knuckle ウラシマ ケイタロウ Level: 54 Posts: 907/1342 EXP: 1201569 For next: 32301 Since: 03-15-04 From: Hinata, Japan Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 2 days |
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back in the day.....my older cousin used to have a game genie he used on SMB3, which i thought was the coolest thing ever..I was at least 4 at the time, but it had me mezmorized. After, when I was like 10, i had goten all 151 pokemon in Red, LEGITIMATELY. After that imucked around with a cheating device to the point of my game fucking over and dying. I've never touched one since  |
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Grey the Stampede Don't mess with powers you don't understand. And yes. That means donuts. Level: 82 Posts: 1492/3770 EXP: 5192909 For next: 16318 Since: 06-17-04 From: Kingston, RI, USA, Earth Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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Originally posted by AnyaOriginally posted by Grey That was around 16 years ago... right? So 1988. I don't really know.... That's a good question, when was the first real cheat code introduced in a game? |
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Alastor the Stylish Hey! I made a cool game! It's called "I poisoned half the food, so if you eat you might die!" Have a taco. Level: 114 Posts: 3874/7620 EXP: 16258468 For next: 51099 Since: 03-15-04 From: Oregon, US Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| The first cheat code was the continue code in Super Mario Bros. (hold A and press Start when beginning a game to begin at the world you got game over in instead of world 1, assuming the world you got game over in is not world 1) (edited by Kyouji Craw on 12-23-04 03:53 PM) |
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NSNick Laidback Admin Level: 85  Posts: 1537/3875 EXP: 5895841 For next: 2699 Since: 03-15-04 From: North Side School: OSU Since last post: 9 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| A while ago. Example of old cheat codes: Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start Just to name a few. |
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DurfarC Beezo Level: 33 Posts: 232/483 EXP: 218551 For next: 10628 Since: 09-04-04 From: Norway Since last post: 20 days Last activity: 12 hours |
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| I'm never cheating to complete a game, but I may use codes when I have completed the game, such as the "complete level in xx:xx" codes that can be found in Goldeneye 64. But the worst thing of all: Online cheaters. People cheating in online multiplayer games =  . |
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KATW King Yoshi "If you stare at something long enough, it can be funny." Level: 86  Posts: 2269/3959 EXP: 6087979 For next: 54128 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 7 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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Originally posted by DurfarCYes. Let the cheaters cheat at home for all I care. But when they cheat to be better than other people VERY bad. Kinda ruins the game for everyone.I dont cheat until Ive beaten the game. I want teh full value and playability until I rip things apart with game altering things .Even FAQs, unless Im TRULY stuck, I wont turn for their help, but the minute I see the ending screen *runs to computer, pulls up 8 different FAQs* Yep. |
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Jarukoth  IRRATIONAL EXUBERENCE!!1! Level: 79  Posts: 2269/3194 EXP: 4402011 For next: 177456 Since: 03-17-04 From: New Jersey, U.S.A. Shoes: Yes. Since last post: 8 days Last activity: 1 day |
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| I used to cheat all the time when I was little. Now, since a good chunk of the games I play now are online based (MK: D, Halo 2), I have since weaned myself off that habit. My true test will be not to look at a guide when Resident Evil 4 comes out. That thing looks harder than an iron jawbreaker... |
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