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Grey the Stampede Don't mess with powers you don't understand. And yes. That means donuts. Level: 82  Posts: 2026/3770 EXP: 5192909 For next: 16318 Since: 06-17-04 From: Kingston, RI, USA, Earth Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| Alright, I've tried to stay out of this one, but I just have to interject now. Firstoff, I'd like to enter this with the obvious knowledge that while Ziff claims to not be one of the X-Box crowd, I am one of the Nintendo crowd. They were the first (well, not the first electronic wise, but the first game and entertainment wise), and I believe they will remain the best in at least one of the markets they pursue. There is no breaking Nintendo's grip on the handheld market. In fact, if worst comes to worst and Nintendo is forced out of the console market, they would more than likely shift all of their resources to handheld gaming and tighten their fists even further than they already have. The GBA as it stands now is a dreadnought of console wars. It's been completely untouchable by efforts such as the N-Gage, and despite the release of the PSP, the odds of gamers seriously abandoning something as versatile and powerful (we're playing VIDEOS on this thing now, however crappy they may be it's certainly a huge step up from Advance Wars) as the GBA for Sony's second (if you'll remember the first time they tried to make a handheld and connect it to the PS-X...) attempt to rock the handheld gaming world are extremely low. I also doubt the European market should be written off in the way that it is now. There are more people in Europe than in Latin America or Australia, or North America and Japan (just those two countries) combined. With that many people in the European market, I seriously believe companies could easily shunt their resources across the pond (or mountains, depending on where we're coming from) and gain some serious profit. Nintendo's fKitten Yiffer to truly grab the Japanese market back from Sony is what should be written off. If Nintendo were to do something like market heavily to Europe, then they could probably turn up enough profit to get the ball rolling again in Japan. The Gamecube was much more successful than the N64, but it's still nowhere near the Super Famicom. What it's going to come down to anyway, no matter what happens, is the games. People get the systems with the games they want to play. The problem with gaming nowadays is that it's overextending itself to include all sorts of extra features. I didn't buy a PS2 to play DVDs, I bought it to play video games. By spreading their resources away from what they were originally focusing on, gaming companies are just weakening themselves. When you start including superficial facets in your development, like DVD playability or a built in hard drive or something of that sort, you also start turning your attention away from THE GAMES. Maybe the reason why games seem so much crappier nowadays is because the hardware companies aren't caring as much about the games that are being released for their systems. It's a buy now, pay later type deal. We're paying for special features that largely have nothing to do with what we were originally going to get the system for, and we're suffering for it. But enough about that, back to the PSP. It's also got another weakness that Nintendo trumps it with; Recognizablilty (that's probably a made-up word). Sony has no characters that they can really attach themselves to and make themselves accessible with. Nintendo has Mario, Link, Samus Aran, Donkey Kong, and god knows what else. Hell, there's not one but two (incredibly fun) fighting games based entirely around these extremely recognizable names and characters. When people see a kid with a sword and a shield, they think "Link" and they think "Zelda" and they think "Nintendo". It's the ultimate form of advertising, placing mascots and recognizable characters everywhere, making them look as cool as possible. Sony doesn't have that. Sony has third party companies that make games exclusively for them, but could jump ship at any time (Like, say, Insomniac or Naughty Dog). While Sony has third party support like whoa, Nintendo has the best first party games on the planet. First party support was what got Nintendo through the N64, and it should be regarded as a paramount weapon in the upcoming wars, especially with the constant flow of new titles being announced from third party companies. Nintendo learned its multiplayer lesson from the GC, too. Yes, people still like to gather their buddies and sit around a TV all night, but Sony and Microsoft showed them that those people are not shelling out 15 bucks a month to do it with more htan just their buddies (and I'll thank Ziff for that revelation). Now that the DS has a well-made form of online play, all that Nintendo needs is a decent few multiplayer games (taking a page from Microsoft's Halo Book of Moneymaking) and a subscription package. The PSP may already have a solution for that, but the fact is that Nintendo is getting stronger and learning from their mistakes, and that is going to bring Sony in for the long haul. Nintendo is unstoppable in the handheld market as it stands. The PSP can't compete. EDIT: Say, doesn't it release today? Guess now's the time for the real test of might... (edited by Grey on 03-24-05 10:09 AM) |
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Scatterheart Panser Level: 29 Posts: 98/342 EXP: 143409 For next: 4476 Since: 06-06-04 From: Sydney, Australia Since last post: 17 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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What a great post, Grey.  It's true. Nintendo's mascots always appeal to gamers by saying "Hey! This is a top quality game!" And almost every time, it has been a top quality game. Sony tried the mascot business back in the early days of the PSX with Crash Bandicoot, but they were extremely childish games. More-so than the Mario games. I quite enjoy Mario games personally, although I didn't like Mario Sunshine one bit. I think that Sony will release a re-worked PSP kind of like Nintendo did with the GBA to the GBA-SP. With better battery life-span and all the works... But in my opinion, it'll just be a matter of time before the so called "older gamers" get sick of the repeatativness of the countless racing, sport and first-person-shooter games from the X-Box. I think it's great that Nintendo are releasing alot more RPGs, because I know alot of people who soley purchased a PSX for just that reason. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 3327/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Alright, before the drool drips onto your bibs. I'm going to imbibe upon you a lovely piece of information. Money is God in business. If something is pushed with an effective ad campaign, people will swoon. It stands regardless. The MINUTE Nintendo is weakened in the handheld market with increased competition (mobile phone games are starting to eat away at it) then Nintendo will need to rethink it's strategies. People don't care about quality, they care about trendery. And guess what the goddamned PSP appeals to. Trendwhores with money. Not spoiled little teenage brats who have never had to work a day in their life who want to relive their spoiled little childhood. It is appealing to the rich, the affluent and the hip and trendy. The DS, which I by far prefer, doesn't have that sort of influence. It holds kids, trve gamers and people along that lines. Even today, on the CBC, they made mention of the PSP over the DS. Whoever garners more funds will get more attention. Exposure and attention is what is going to win this fight. And this is a BIG fight. Characters? HA! No one gives a SHIT about name brand characters in the open market. People want Gran Turismo. People want generic snowboarder number 3. They want big budget games with no names. The game quality doesn't even have to be good. Look at the shitty sports games that are SHOVELLED onto the market. Guess what sells better. NFL 2kShit or Nintendo's name brand character game. NFL 2kSuckmynuts will sell better. And it is more economical too, it is cheaper and quicker to pump that game out. Sony will be purchasing stake with these games and will have an upperhand in this battle. The battle will be developed and won at Christmas time. That is it. Colleen: Always worry about the new hardware. Nintendo fanatics seem to love to talk about how "OMGCREAM MY PANTS EVOLTRUTON IS DS BOOD GOOD BLAG BLAHL AFGS~!!!!!!". Yet, when it comes to putting sense into the matter. No one does. The deathknell is at the hands of who can't move systems at a profit and gain the most money. Scatterheart: No they won't get sick of these games. You know why? Because you are a moron and probably don't know what is on the X-Box. You know what's on it? Games. Games that every other fucking system has. Your absolute idiocy towards the truth that advertising will win people over is depressing. Unfortunately, this board suffers from "unrealism" where you folk assume that everyone is thinking the same, retarded, fan-boy based ideas. No, they aren't. There are about a few hundred thousand of you world wide. Guess how many people are being drawn in by the big $$$ ads and the big $$$ trends. More than you. And given that the hardcore gamer crowd is mostly kids living in their basement that subscribe to fanboyism...Well, that means that more money is flowing into the real competitors. Not Nintendo. People like Penny-Arcade have realized the truth. Swallow your stupid pride and realize the terrible truth. |
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Teundusia Lantern Ghost Level: 41 Posts: 155/760 EXP: 449109 For next: 31036 Since: 07-31-04 Since last post: 15 hours Last activity: 14 hours |
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| Now from most of the posts before this, I now have a HUGE liost of things why the PSP is a load of rubbish... something to show to a few friends at school The main reason I'm not getting one is that I would only like two games on there... Metal Gear Acid and Final Fantasy 7. I'm not really a fan of racing/shooting/sports games... hate them really Secondly, I think the DS having dual screens is better because of level maps/lives/score etc. While the maps and score on the psp will be enlargened from what i've heard so it will be hard to see the actual game |
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Scatterheart Panser Level: 29 Posts: 99/342 EXP: 143409 For next: 4476 Since: 06-06-04 From: Sydney, Australia Since last post: 17 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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 Ooo-kay then?Scatterheart: No they won't get sick of these games. You know why? Because you are a moron and probably don't know what is on the X-Box. I do know what is on the X-Box, and I'm quite frankly sick of people saying that this is the best ever first person shooter, or racing game ever. All I was saying is that there are only so many FPS games you can play before you get bored of 'em all. If people grew up playing Doom on the PC, and moved on to Golden Eye and Perfect Dark on the N64, then you get tired of seeing all these new FPSs that claim they have something the others don't. Yet with the people that're new to the gaming era, or the "older gamers", they play one FPS on the X-Box and think it's the best thing ever! You let them play Golden Eye or something like that, and they'll absolutly hate it because the graphics aren't cool  It's the same in the racing games department. Gran Turismo wasn't the first racing game where you could build up your car. Sure it was a great game... But after the first two Gran Turismo's, it kinda seems the same, and only the die-hard fans keep it carrying along. It's the same with Nintendo and it's mascots. People play Metroid games because of how great they were in the past. I'm just glad at how huge the step between Super Metroid and Metroid Prime was. People buy Final Fantasy games because they've played the others and will think they'll be great. I didn't think the world of FF-X, and even worse towards FF-X2. It seems that it's all been done before. Then again... Maybe it's just me growing out of games and almost everyone else has a different opinion. |
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Fyxe Lyn Level: 51 Posts: 905/1160 EXP: 954265 For next: 59673 Since: 03-29-04 Since last post: 117 days Last activity: 114 days |
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| Excuse me, who gives a damn who 'wins'. Nintendo isn't going anywhere for a long time yet. It has a massive fanbase, well known characters, quality games and practically owns the market when it comes to younger gamers. It's not going to die overnight because of some overhyped black thingie, whether it's good or not. |
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Teundusia Lantern Ghost Level: 41 Posts: 160/760 EXP: 449109 For next: 31036 Since: 07-31-04 Since last post: 15 hours Last activity: 14 hours |
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| strange thing is about 1/5 of my school say Halo and Halo 2 are the best games ever just because they are for XBox and XBox only... wow it has good graphics, but the gameplay is just like any other shooting game Same with racing games, on the xbox there are some minor changes, like in one game if you go into first person view on the ps2 and gamecube you just see whats infront of you, but on the xbox you see the dashboard (Is that what it's called) and the edge of the windscreen... so what? But I don't play games because they were god in the past... I never liked the original metroid games, but i like the new ones, and i hate the new starfox games but love the original for the snes |
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Scatterheart Panser Level: 29 Posts: 100/342 EXP: 143409 For next: 4476 Since: 06-06-04 From: Sydney, Australia Since last post: 17 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| You didn't like Metroid Prime? I thought it was quite good. It's an adventure game in the FPS concept. It's like playing an old Metroid game in a FPS. But I agree with you post. |
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Teundusia Lantern Ghost Level: 41 Posts: 162/760 EXP: 449109 For next: 31036 Since: 07-31-04 Since last post: 15 hours Last activity: 14 hours |
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| I do like metroid prime... I said i didn't like the original old metroid games like super metroid etc. | |||
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Fyxe Lyn Level: 51 Posts: 908/1160 EXP: 954265 For next: 59673 Since: 03-29-04 Since last post: 117 days Last activity: 114 days |
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| He said he didn't like the old Metroid games, and I'll grant that the first two weren't easy to get into, but not liking Super Metroid is rather odd. Especially if you're the sort of gamer who liked Metroid Prime. | |||
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Scatterheart Panser Level: 29 Posts: 101/342 EXP: 143409 For next: 4476 Since: 06-06-04 From: Sydney, Australia Since last post: 17 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| Sorry about the miss-reading. I've had a fair-few beers you see. :p I never liked the first metroid game. I only got into Super Metroid, and loved it! I also enjoyed Metoid: Zerio Mission, and Metroid Prime. I would've played part two if my Gamecube and all my games didn't get stolen. Man, that's the last time I live with my brother, lol. |
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Emptyeye Real American Level: 67 Posts: 1591/2273 EXP: 2488421 For next: 104451 Since: 05-24-04 From: I DUNNOOOOOOOO!! Since last post: 9 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| Ziffski: Calm it down, please. Or don't, and I can lock the thread. Your choice. BACK ON TOPIC: I maintain that the PSP's lack of games which feature cuddly puppies will be its downfall. Click the Flash OMG SO CUTE. But in all seriousness, the price point (And it doesn't even come with a game), combined with the fact that it's trying to be an N-Gage-like all-in-one super machine, hurt it in my eyes. Oh, and that quote which basically amounted to "fuck our Japanese fans, our machine is perfect even though it's not" did little to console me that Sony knows what it's doing here (Although the fact that the machine has allegedly been redesigned a bit for the American launch somewhat counteracts that). |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 3329/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by Fyxe I care, because as a gamer, I feel that the more the companies fight and "compete" to pull in prices that the integrity of the games can fall if this happens in totality. Fighting games are becoming a fast dying specie. MK: Deception, and what I'm recognizing now as a lacklustre Soul Calibur 2 have been the only big budget big sales fighting games that have been made. It is sad that that is a casuality. I'm afraid that FPS are going the same route. It doesn't matter though, this is my point. Nitendo makes one slip, and it will fall. It doesn't have the leverage it used to. Either the treading is careful and methodical, or we have to live in a world without Kirby. And that is a world not worth living in. |
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 8838/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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| Apple have a small percentage of the market. Is it dead? Exactly, it's not. Nintendo sold enough copies of the DS, and hell. I could give a crap about how many copies the DS sold, but it overexpected Nintendo's expections. More DS's than expected was sold. PSP seems to be the for the mainstream gamer, DS tries to... well. Trick both Nintendo fans, some gamers who like odd games and people that normally don't play. Puppy times probably won't go home with the hardcore gamers, but you never know with the amount of girls (and guys  ) that will buy that game.And competition is good, besides I probably would buy the PSP too if it wasn't that expensive. (not like I mourn over it's price, I have too many games and too little time personally :/) |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 3330/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| You know what has kept Apple alive? Diversification. Nintendo has it's cards and is hoping that the next card will be the one that wins them the game. Otherwise they lose. Besides, Apple has ALWAYS sold relatively well. They sell high cost "high quality" products and are bought by many businesses. I'm saying Nintendo is going to die over night. I'll make an assertion like that come Christmas time. All of my "doom saying" isn't unfounded. There are definite problems with Nintendo. And I'm afraid it will make a mistake. It's two current competitors can't be challenged easily and are basically fighting each other over the next generation consoles and ignoring Nintendo. This is Nintendo's chance to break away and not make the mistakes it made on the 64 and GC. The company better've learned it's lesson on connectivty, too  The death of Nintendo is going to be slow and painful. |
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 8840/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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| ...now your over dramatizing it. At worst case, Nintendo goes software only. And I don't see that happening for some time. The company still have alot money and could techincally go on with losses for years. And what if Nintendo decided to goes together with Sony if Microsoft became a big threat marketing wise? I doubt that happens but, you never know with business. Nintendo isn't going to die with the DS, and nor is the PSP. I think both will be around, side with side competing each other. Besides people should always consider that there is probably a quite some people who buy both systems. Keep in mind that i'm not anti-sony/microsoft/whatever. I have been thinking on buying a PS2 a few times, just to play a few of thoose exclusive games I have been intrested in.  |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 3331/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| *bangs head violently against a desk* GOD, WHY DID YOU FORSAKE ME TO FINDING THIS BOARD!? *continues banging head against the desk* Kitten Yiffer, the only way Sony and Nintendo would "merge" is if one of them went out of business, and the other bought the other up. But that isn't going to happen. When Nintendo dies, which won't be for four score and one year ago (you know, long and painful decline. Like SEGA (remember that name!)). The simple self-destruction will be due to the competition between the two companies and the campaigns that they run. I've never postulated that the PSP will wipe out the DS. Nor the DS hurt the PSP. They are for different markets. The only thing that can beat the other down is a new competitor that can fund an all out war on one of those markets. That is it. Otherwise we're going to see a split in the gaming market, just like the old SNES/Genesis days where no company was hurt and they both had their respective cliches. |
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 7546/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| *writes down Ziff's comments* I'm going to remember these come E3 time and I'll see if I agree with you or not after Nintendo reveals its cards. I'm not trying to act like a fanboy here, but I think you're way off the mark. Nintendo has admitted that they made mistakes with the GameCube so you'd have to think that the motto of "getting things right" is going through their head. The pressure *is* on them but we have to wait to see how they step up. Now, back on topic... If Sony claims a one-day sellout for the PSP, then they're likely lying. I went to three stores in the downtown Montreal area today and they all had an ample supply of PSP's (not reserved) as well as games. Not saying it's going to stutter out of the gate (I'd guess they move between 750,000 to 1,000,000) but it's not going to fly off the shelves everywhere. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 3332/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Colleen, I'm taking the pessimistic stance. But I'm afraid that Nintendo may not learn from this generation, blaming increased competition due to MS. If they adopt a "it wasn't our fault" then...Well, shall I be the paulbearer of a coffin with Zelda's corpse? | |||
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 8841/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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| Reading Gamefaqs I have seen people saying the same things that the PSP isn't outsold around in the US in many many stores, but Gamefaqs isn't the best source of information... Thought, keep in mind. It was the same thing with X-Box. So it dosen't need to lead to a total fKitten Yiffer... but I am surprised about the surpluses. And Sony made the decision about delaying the PSP in Europa becuse of meeting USA demands... Then, does the PSP really have any real killer apps currently? I really have no idea since I really don't keep track currently. I've been mostly looking on the hardware (edited by Kitten Yiffer on 03-24-05 05:36 PM) |
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