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| Acmlm's Board - I2 Archive - World Affairs / Debate - Why do you all hate Bush? |
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MathOnNapkins Math n' Hacks Level: 67  Posts: 1260/2189 EXP: 2495887 For next: 96985 Since: 03-18-04 From: Base Tourian Since last post: 1 hour Last activity: 32 min. |
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| I was referring to people I know outside of this board. If I were referring to boardgoers I would have quoted them. | ||||||||||||||||||
Grey the Stampede Don't mess with powers you don't understand. And yes. That means donuts. Level: 82  Posts: 1473/3770 EXP: 5192909 For next: 16318 Since: 06-17-04 From: Kingston, RI, USA, Earth Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| There are public speaking courses. A "little" inarticulate? I don't think so. People are forgetful, but this makes me raise an eyebrow. |
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Apple Kodondo Level: 38 Posts: 563/594 EXP: 350163 For next: 20284 Since: 03-27-04 From: Washington. Since last post: 264 days Last activity: 152 days |
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| A lot of people have a hard time putting their thoughts in to words and they come across as unintelligent and stupid. I think Bush is one of those. Listen to his speeches. You can always tell the point hes trying to get across but he doesn't know how to get state them. ^ This was mainly into response to the List of "Bushisms" grey linked to. I don't see Bush is stupid for that reason, I'm the same way. The majority of the people I meet are the same way. So yeah. I don't like Bush for his whole "Islam is terrorism" idea. I don't believe he ever came out and said it but when you attack to Arab countries and have a few more of your list of terrorists you have to get that feeling. Espically when Bush doesn't seem to give a fuck about the terrorists here at home. Of course they arn't that much of a real threat but fuck, I don't think firebombing shit and causing 100 million of dollars a year in damages is something you should just don't care about. Other then the fact Bush doesn't really seem to care about domestic American affairs and his lack of respect towards other countries. I don't have much to say against him. |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101  Posts: 3347/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| Grey, who said it was just a little lack of articulation? It wasn't me. He can't speak worth a damn. That, and he has these mental road blocks. My all time favorite was the: "Fool me once....shame on me...........fool me twice.................................you can't fool me again." Oh man, I whinced at that one. |
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windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61  Posts: 755/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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| I think it goes "Fool me once, shame on you.... well... the point is you can't fool me twice". | ||||||||||||||||||
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 3350/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| Well, here's the exact quote. They actually quoted it wrong on the page, but the video speaks for itself. | ||||||||||||||||||
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Grey the Stampede Don't mess with powers you don't understand. And yes. That means donuts. Level: 82 Posts: 1480/3770 EXP: 5192909 For next: 16318 Since: 06-17-04 From: Kingston, RI, USA, Earth Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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Originally posted by Apple Apple, there are literal HUNDREDS of quotes on that page. Hundreds. That's hundreds of tripups from a man who is in a position that demands in the very least the ability to state clearly and concisely his views, rather than jumble them up in a frenzied pool of euphanisms. It's not why I HATE him, I hate him for No Child Left Behind, the Department of Homeland Security, and his economic policies. However, when I turn on the news and listen to statements that he makes, I like to know what the hell he's talking about without doing a double-take and saying "What the fuck?" |
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MathOnNapkins Math n' Hacks Level: 67 Posts: 1270/2189 EXP: 2495887 For next: 96985 Since: 03-18-04 From: Base Tourian Since last post: 1 hour Last activity: 32 min. |
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| That's part of his plan, Grey. He's trying to confuse you into submission. | ||||||||||||||||||
Dracoon Zelda The temp ban/forum ban bypasser! Level: 84  Posts: 2073/3727 EXP: 5514391 For next: 147561 Since: 03-25-04 From: At home Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| Duh even I knew that... Really, I am glad he can't get relelected again, maybe we'll get a president that can clean up his mess and make our country good again... I'm already looking towards the destruction of our economy when the Euro's finally crush the American Dollar... |
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Zarathud Level: 12  Posts: 6/55 EXP: 7184 For next: 737 Since: 12-27-04 From: Terra, Sol. Since last post: 294 days Last activity: 294 days |
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I don't think I have the energy or patience to wade into some of the misconceptions people have about Bush, so I'll just call it how I see it: I understand that he's very inarticulate, and I don't care. The measure of a president is in his actions, and in this area I give Bush a C- overall. He passes, but with much to be desired. I illustrate with this pretty and helpful table, because we all like pretty things:
Of course there's other stuff, but that about covers all the big ones I can think of at the moment. The C- grade is of course tenative and subject to going up or down as his second term progresses. |
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Arwon Zora Level: 35  Posts: 235/506 EXP: 278115 For next: 1821 Since: 03-15-04 From: Terra Australis Incognita Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 10 min. |
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| Becuase there's no reason to support him? Seriously, I almost never see anyone defend the guy based on anything other than their support for the Republican Party as a whole, or some other value or stance they attribute to Bush. They defend "Republican Candidate X" or "being against abortion" or "I want security" rather than Bush himself as a who, his track record, etc. Bush actually has the same "Multiple Bad Things" syndrome in his favour, same as Nixon had. The reasons people dislike him are so varied and numerous, there's so much people dislike, that when confronted directly with this question, they usually turn into a spluttering mess unable to convince anyone or speak particularly rationally. (edited by Arwon on 01-01-05 05:47 AM) |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38  Posts: 470/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| Bush certainly hasn't ignored Medicare. | ||||||||||||||||||
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Zarathud Level: 12 Posts: 23/55 EXP: 7184 For next: 737 Since: 12-27-04 From: Terra, Sol. Since last post: 294 days Last activity: 294 days |
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| hhallahh - LOL. Good point. Arwon - Well let's see, I'm in favour of legal early-term abortions, I think the DHS is largely a waste, and don't have any special love for Republicans in general, but I support Bush (albeit in a very handwringing way). And I don't think I'm about to become a spluttering mess. Yes the man's presidency certainly leaves a lot to be desired, but we live in a second-best world unfortunately. Bush has initiated a change in American foreign policy on a level equal to the Truman doctrine, and I think for that reason history will remember him as important, if not that great of a president. |
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Arwon Zora Level: 35 Posts: 239/506 EXP: 278115 For next: 1821 Since: 03-15-04 From: Terra Australis Incognita Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 10 min. |
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| No no, I mean that Bush dislikers when confronted about why, tend to turn into spluttering inarticulate messes because there's so many things to say. Not that supporters, when confronted, get spluttery - on the contrary there's a variety of glib or circular responses at the ready. | ||||||||||||||||||
alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 2223/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| To suffice, Bismarck was loved by his people at the time. His implementations and introductions into the thinkings of Prussian dominated Germany allowed for farces like WWI and the eventual set up and fall of the Weimar Council that led way to...NAZISM. Bush is just the first step to the decline. Except he has done diddly squat to help the common, working man. In fact, he has done quite the opposite and spat in the face of the worker. Not only that, his changes in foreign policy absolutely piss on the third world. His concept of pre-emptive strike only leaves me hating him more. The constant pumping of money into the Missle Defence System is just begging for the re-emergence of the nuclear deterrent. | ||||||||||||||||||
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Zarathud Level: 12 Posts: 29/55 EXP: 7184 For next: 737 Since: 12-27-04 From: Terra, Sol. Since last post: 294 days Last activity: 294 days |
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| Arwon - Whoops, mea culpa. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Ziff - Errr... tempted as I am to just envoke Godwin's Law and pass over the rest in silence, I feel obliged to inform you that the Marxist rhetoric you're spouting is drastically out of step with reality. Let's start with this choleric gem: "Except he has done diddly squat to help the common, working man. In fact, he has done quite the opposite and spat in the face of the worker." Um, well let's see... his proposed Social Security reform is designed to turn every worker into a shareholder in the US economy through private investment of savings, and to convert the system into a more fair one where workers pay for their own retirement funds rather than paying for today's retirees and forcing the workers of tomorrow to pay for theirs. Moreover, his tax cuts have helped small businesses which, you know, employ workers. "Not only that, his changes in foreign policy absolutely piss on the third world." Yeah, you're right, we should just leave them under oppressive totalitarian regimes. Giving them a chance to live in a democracy is just so totally racist... or something.... uhh.... HEIL BUSHHITLER! Yeah, that's the ticket... "His concept of pre-emptive strike only leaves me hating him more." Er, this is not a new concept. It's as old as war. Besides, he's only into pre-emptive strikes against tyrannical regimes that nobody really likes anyway. Unless you want to argue that Saddam Hussein's regime deserved legitimacy...? "The constant pumping of money into the Missle Defence System is just begging for the re-emergence of the nuclear deterrent." Something we agree on! Sort of. The missle defense shield is a waste, but nuclear deterrent is always there anyway. MAD is simple game theory at it's best and is one of the main reasons we haven't seen a great power war since WWII. Stop worrying and love the bomb.  |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 472/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| Wouldn't Bush's proposed SS plan put us many more trillions of dollars into debt or something? Since we'd be redirecting money which is supposed to go to retirees now.. that's what I've read from my cursory exposure to it, at least. I read that the Cato Institute's SS plan was "reasonable", as opposed to whatever Bush is proposing. | ||||||||||||||||||
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Zarathud Level: 12 Posts: 30/55 EXP: 7184 For next: 737 Since: 12-27-04 From: Terra, Sol. Since last post: 294 days Last activity: 294 days |
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| If debt was issued for the balance of current unfunded SS payments, all that would do would be to turn implicit future costs into explicit present costs. In standard accounting terms it looks bad but economically it's a wash. Besides that though, if I understand it correctly Bush's plan would index the remaining SS benefits to prices rather than wages; since wages tend to rise faster than the cost of living, this would also shave a chunk off the remaining costs. It would be a stealth reduction in SS payments, but recipients would still get enough for a decent standard of living. (edited by Zarathud on 01-02-05 01:28 AM) |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 474/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| Well, at least we have a revenue stream to deal with those implicit future costs at the moment. We'd have to find a substitute somehow. | ||||||||||||||||||
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 2226/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Godwin's Law is a farce, and you know it! The comparison of Bush to Otto Von Bismarck has no reason for invocation of the Law. |
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