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Rydain Ropa Blaze Phoenix Runs With the Dragon Within Level: 42 Posts: 337/738 EXP: 490056 For next: 31306 Since: 03-15-04 From: State College, PA Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 8 hours |
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Yahoo has the teaser trailer. As someone who loved the 1971 version starring Gene Wilder, I am meh about this new one. I understand that they're reinterpreting the book, not trying to redo the first movie, but I thought that the original movie improved on the book in many ways. The spoiler-free version is that it had a more optimistic tone, a friendlier ending, and an emphasis on honesty that didn't exist in the book. The more detailed explanation, which spoils both the book and the first movie, is underneath tags. The book had its good points, like lots of wordplay that didn't find its way into the movie (which is understandable, considering that I remember a bunch of it being on signs and other things that would have been clunky to describe), but I liked the movie way better. Spoiler: In the book, most of the "bad" kids were permanently disfigured at the very end. Augustus and Mike were both stretched out, and Violet's skin was blue. (Veruca was covered in garbage, but it's not like you can't remedy that.) In the movie, Wonka does make reference to them being stretched and whatnot, but at the end when Charlie asks what happened to them, he says that they were "restored to their normal, terrible selves" but hopefully "wiser for the wear". I thought this was a much better message than fucking over the brats for the rest of their lives. In the movie, a mysterious competitor named Slugworth approaches each ticket winner and offers them compensation if they bring one of Wonka's mysterious Everlasting Gobstoppers. At the end of the movie, Wonka deliberately rebuffs Charlie and his grandpa. Saddened, Charlie puts the Gobstopper on the desk and turns to leave. It turns out that this was a test, so Wonka now entrusts him with the factory. In the book, Charlie was the only one to make it to the end of the factory and Wonka said that he was going to give the factory to whoever he liked best - no acid test of character was required. In this scene, Wonka's office had lots of otherwise normal objects that had been cut in half, like a sink and a clock - a creative touch that gave us more of an impression of his eccentricity and that was not mentioned in the book at all. There were other differences that I thought the movie handled better, like Veruca's demise (doing a song and dance and unwittingly winding up on the egg judging thingy and being dumped into the garbage as a bad egg seemed much better integrated into the scene than having a bunch of squirrels throw her into a hole in the ground), but this post is getting long enough already, so I'll save 'em for later. I obviously won't have a decent opinion of the new movie until I see it, but I have heard that it takes a darker interpretation of the book. In that light, I have mixed feelings about the trailer. The chocolate room looks awesome, and they seem to have imparted a cartoonish feel to the movie, which I think would go well with a more true to the book tone (making what I referred to under the spoiler tags seem weirdly comical and not just sad). (Though the original movie was psychedelic and involved some events that couldn't have happened in the real world, it had a more realistic style to it.) But I fear for the Wonka character himself. The outfit is great and I generally like Johnny Depp, but in the trailer, he comes off like Michael Jackson with a fugly pageboy haircut. Guh. Gene Wilder (who, in my opinion, was an absolute genius in the role) made the character into a sort of Uncle Wonka who, though odd and desiring to teach bratty children a lesson, was overall kind and benevolent. |
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Emptyeye Real American Level: 67 Posts: 1071/2273 EXP: 2488421 For next: 104451 Since: 05-24-04 From: I DUNNOOOOOOOO!! Since last post: 9 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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OMG u spoiled the face for me ...yeah. So anyway, I saw one of the posters for this movie, and Depp had excessively pale skin, which gave off a creepy sort of Marilyn Manson vibe. This seems to only be an issue with this one poster though. |
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Jarukoth IRRATIONAL EXUBERENCE!!1! Level: 79 Posts: 2182/3194 EXP: 4402011 For next: 177456 Since: 03-17-04 From: New Jersey, U.S.A. Shoes: Yes. Since last post: 8 days Last activity: 1 day |
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"A Tim Burton Film" You failed to mention that, Rydain. If he's behind this, I doubt it could be THAT bad... |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 3191/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by Emptyeye It's funny you mention Warner because he was one of the people that was suppose to play Wonka. Well, they were considering it. It would have been interesting. I uh....can't say I like the idea of remaking this movie. Why bother? The original one was perfect. Why try for better? There's no point in remaking this movie. And that does NOT look like a good Willy Wonka. Gene Wilder, now he kicks ass. I'll see it anyway. I gotta. |
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Toxic in a sublime state of mind Level: 75 Posts: 2180/2857 EXP: 3732709 For next: 94195 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 3 days Last activity: 8 hours |
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Whaaaaaaaat, this new version seems pretty lame to me. The original was the classic, why mess? Oh, right. Money. |
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Rydain Ropa Blaze Phoenix Runs With the Dragon Within Level: 42 Posts: 338/738 EXP: 490056 For next: 31306 Since: 03-15-04 From: State College, PA Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 8 hours |
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Here ya go Emptyeye...emoticons will never be the same for you again! Spoiler: I'm glad other people here are also big fans of the original. I mean...'70s trippiness. Gene Wilder. Orange and green Oompa Loompas. Lots of random little amusements, such as when they went to interview Augustus Gloop and the newscaster was standing so it looked like a pair of antlers was sprouting out of his head...and the dialogue between the ticket-finding computer and its programmer cracks me the hell up, especially when the very irritated programmer goes to tell the computer exactly what it can do with a lifetime supply of chocolate - niiiiice implication there. Kickass bizarre Wonka lines. (One of my best friends and I used to constantly go around saying "A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men." That's been my sig line at GameFAQs for at least a couple of years now, too. There was a rhyming line in the teaser, but it was stupid and delivered badly. The final version of the new movie had BETTER have some higher quality rhymes!) And, uh, yeah, did I mention Gene Wilder? I loved how he seemed to lose it more and more as the movie went on. I'll go see the movie at some point. Being a Wonka fan, I kinda sorta have to, and I do like Tim Burton, so I'm at least curious as to what he's going to bring to the table. I'm hoping that the "bad" kids in this version are much more annoying than those in the original so I'll be happy to see them go. Here are some pictures of the cast: Willy Wonka, an Oompa Loompa in TV room space gear, Augustus, Violet, and Veruca. I like how Augustus looks cartoonish and Veruca seems appropriately prissy, but Violet comes off as boring and just not right. Her claims to fame are chewing the same piece of gum long enough to obtain a world record and constantly running her mouth, which makes me think she should seem more nerdy and less polished. In the picture, she looks like Li'l Suburban Soccer Princess. |
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Uncle Elmo Hammer Brother Partly Sweet, Helpful, good at advice and a half decent writer. Also modest. Level: 49 Posts: 811/1062 EXP: 845899 For next: 37984 Since: 03-15-04 From: Prestatyn, Uk Since last post: 23 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Well the good thing about this film iks that if it's a success we'll finally be able to see "Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator" being made into a film.. I want to see CGI Vermicious Knids! I adore the original film, but as I'm a massive Roald Dahl fan, I didn't like the fact that they cut a lot of darkness out of it, all that remains is the trip along the Chocolate river (Even Gene Wilder's song, which is right from the book is perfect....). I'll have a look at the film, but I don't like the song in the teaser, it reminds me of the mice from Babe Spoiler: And besides, I think the kids DESERVED to be messed up, they were terrible! Especially Verruca, she did my head in. |
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Dracoon Zelda The temp ban/forum ban bypasser! Level: 84 Posts: 1872/3727 EXP: 5514391 For next: 147561 Since: 03-25-04 From: At home Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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I wouldn't mind seeing this movie, but I own the original, so it doesn't matter. I have read both the book and seen the movie, and I am a bigger fan of books than movies, and I liked the movie better. It was a lot better than doing a lot of evil things. (Although the evil things did make me smile) | |||
Anya The Exile Ultima Mezcla de Yin Yan Level: 98 Posts: 3681/5337 EXP: 9530313 For next: 124040 Since: 03-15-04 From: South Florida Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 2 days |
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When I heard that this movie was going to be made, they made clear that it would be a darker version of the classic/book/what have you. At any rate, it's funny to see Depp like that, but I'll go see it. |
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oniblade Leever Level: 23 Posts: 145/183 EXP: 58805 For next: 8918 Since: 04-17-04 From: Idaho Since last post: 274 days Last activity: 273 days |
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There are so many strengths and weaknesses for this movie, its directed by burton, and depp is in it, but people will compare it to the original. I would have loved to see Manson as wonka, but thats just a dream now, so i |
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Rydain Ropa Blaze Phoenix Runs With the Dragon Within Level: 42 Posts: 339/738 EXP: 490056 For next: 31306 Since: 03-15-04 From: State College, PA Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 8 hours |
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Uncle Elmo Spoiler: Ah...I don't remember the bad kids in the book being quite as annoying to me. I was surprised that Veruca seemed nicer than she did in the first movie (in which she really was an insufferable little brat ). It looks like I'm just going to have to go reread it. In any case, I hope the movie goes all out with the darker tone, bringing the most grating aspects of the naughty children's personalities to life so everybody can revel in the schadenfreude as well. |
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Abnormal Freak Blackwater tea Level: 31 Posts: 187/364 EXP: 169629 For next: 15734 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 2 min. |
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The new Chocolate Factory movie doesn't look too appealing. The original is very well done; Gene Wilder is amazing in it. Johnny Depp, while extraordinarily cool, could never play that role as good, especially with how ugly they make him look. Plus, why would you need a darker movie... The original's already pretty messed up and sort of dark in a way. That whole part on the boat, the psychedelic scene...that's freaky without being over the top and dumb. Never read Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, but I do love the first movie. (edited by Abnormal Freak on 12-13-04 12:02 AM) |
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Lenina Goomba Level: 10 Posts: 5/32 EXP: 3266 For next: 1148 Since: 12-11-04 From: St. Andrews, Scotland/ Salem, CT USA Since last post: 289 days Last activity: 155 days |
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I have to agree with everyone that the white face does look freaky. I always loved Gene Wilder. I | |||
Uncle Elmo Hammer Brother Partly Sweet, Helpful, good at advice and a half decent writer. Also modest. Level: 49 Posts: 812/1062 EXP: 845899 For next: 37984 Since: 03-15-04 From: Prestatyn, Uk Since last post: 23 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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LOL! All the Kids Die? Hmm I can see how you cou;dco,me to believe that, apart from Mike Teevee, as you see him alive at the end of his ordeal | |||
Lenina Goomba Level: 10 Posts: 7/32 EXP: 3266 For next: 1148 Since: 12-11-04 From: St. Andrews, Scotland/ Salem, CT USA Since last post: 289 days Last activity: 155 days |
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Ya, which one is Mike Teevee? Someone once told me that at the end you see all the kids alive, but I'm still too scared to watch the movie to find out. Am I the only one who grew up believing that all the kids die? | |||
Uncle Elmo Hammer Brother Partly Sweet, Helpful, good at advice and a half decent writer. Also modest. Level: 49 Posts: 813/1062 EXP: 845899 For next: 37984 Since: 03-15-04 From: Prestatyn, Uk Since last post: 23 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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In the film you don't, you just have to take Mr Wonka's word for it In the book you see a picture of them Mike Teevee is the annoying American one in the film, no not Charlie, but the one who's obsessed with TV and cowboys |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 1953/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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...My god. The first one ruined my childhood, this one isn't set to be much better. |
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