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What are you? Trying not to be against religon.
Pick one or if you are a mix of one. Also post when you are done. We would like to here about it. Also describe what you voted on.
Catholic
 
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Budda
 
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Christian
 
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Jewish
 
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Other:
 
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Posted on 12-29-04 06:22 AM Link | Quote
Dude, it's in the Apostle's Creed .

dur dur dur
Creed:
I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
the Creator of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:

Who was conceived of the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried.

He descended into hell. [see Calvin]

The third day He arose again from the dead.

He ascended into heaven
and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty,
whence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy *catholic church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and life everlasting.

And

"He (Jesus) was put to death in the flesh, but he was raised to life in the Spirit, in which also he went and preached to the disobedient spirits who were in prison in the days of Noah when God waited patiently while the ark was being built...For this is why the gospel was preached even to the dead so that, although they have already been judged in the flesh like men, they might have life in the Spirit like God." (1 Peter 3:18-20; 4:6)

-- Reference to Jesus in hell.


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Wow, that was a really lack-luster list. Where are Hinduism and Islam? Seriously, those are some pretty big things to miss. Nevermind the weird divisions.

Personally, I'd want a list something like:
- Orthedox/Reform/Conservative/Reconstructionist Judaism,
- Catholic/Eastern Orthadox/Protestant Christianity,
- Shi'a/Sunni Islam,
- Hinduism, Jainism, Sikhism, and
- Therevaden/Mahayanan/Zen/Tibetian Buddhism.
- Other theism, agnosticism, athiesm, non-religious (would secularism be the right word?), and other.

I'm an agnostic, and I like it that way. I've pretty specific views on a lot of issues, but I don't believe in preaching my religion, so I'll only talk about what people ask.
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Posted on 01-05-05 07:56 AM Link | Quote
I believe in a God but I don't have a religion or go to church or anything. So what does that make me?


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Posted on 01-06-05 04:38 AM Link | Quote
It just makes you some form of theist, jasukan. Take a look at the list and take your pick.

And I like Squash Monster's list better, only I would subdivide agnosticism/theism/other and atheism/nonreligious. It's basically the difference between answering a question with "I'm not sure" and "no".


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I answer "I'm not sure"
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I'm wiccan and pagan all at once. It works for me .
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Posted on 01-31-05 11:20 AM Link | Quote
as long as the thread has been bumped, I'll take the opportunity to chime in.

I'm what most would term "atheist" (not agnostic, atheist), though I hold some objection to that term, on the grounds that it is defined relative to religion. Thus, I would respond to "what religion are you?" with "N/A", or, if I had to put it in a word, "Secularist".

Someone earlier in the thread stated that "atheism is a religion" or something to that effect. Here is my response, in the form of an analogy:

Being a member of a religion is like being connected to an IRC server. Christians would connect to one server (with the various sub-denominations (Catholic, Protestant, etc) on different channels), Muslims would connect to another server, and so on.

Now, according to your logic, an Atheist would be connected to the "atheist" server. But an Atheist would not be connected to any server at all.

That said, allow me to sum up the reason I don't hold any religious faith:

A Christian (e.g.) believes in and worships:
  • the judeo-christian God
...and doesn't believe in or worship:
  • Zeus/Jupiter
  • Athena/Minerva
  • Poseidon/Neptune
  • Had


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I believe in Allah. Only fundamentalist dick wads make a direct distinction between the father, the son and the holy ghost and the lord of the moslems.
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@ Vystrix Nexoth: The Muslim, Jewish, and Christian God are the same guy: A sky god named Yahweh. Since it is blaspheme to speak his name they call him God or Allah or something similar. I don
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...Buddhism has its own version of the Christ master.
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Posted on 02-17-05 02:29 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Ziffski
I believe in Allah. Only fundamentalist dick wads make a direct distinction between the father, the son and the holy ghost and the lord of the moslems.




Well, as a Muslim, I would like to say that concerning Jesus or Isa(Peace be upon him) and God(SWT), we are different from the other two major monotheistic religions. First off, we believe that Jesus'(Peace be upon him) soul was taken from his body by God because he didn't want him to suffer. And at the day of judgment, Jesus(Peace be upon him) will return. Now, about God or Allah(SWT); we believe that he is a power; one that does not take any humanoid shape and cannot be compared to one in terms of emotions or other humanistic elements. And I am sure you all know that Muslims like myself don't consider him to have any family as well; and we don't believe in the Holy Trinity as well.
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Originally posted by BookReader
@ Vystrix Nexoth: The Muslim, Jewish, and Christian God are the same guy: A sky god named Yahweh. Since it is blaspheme to speak his name they call him God or Allah or something similar. I don
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Originally posted by Randy53215
Originally posted by BookReader
@ Vystrix Nexoth: The Muslim, Jewish, and Christian God are the same guy: A sky god named Yahweh. Since it is blaspheme to speak his name they call him God or Allah or something similar. I don


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Jehovah and Allah are two fundamentally different gods. If you want to put into historical contexts. Jehova (Yahweh) was an ancient diety of sky and war, as previously mentioned. He was the Father God of the ancient Canninites. The Jews adopted him as their Lord and made him into a dualthestic faith where Shadisha was worshipped as a mother goddess. Eventually, realizing the innity of pluralistic worship, Shadisha was relegated to the Choirs of Angels. The Christian God is the same as the God of the Jews.

Allah was the ancient pagan moon God...Until the Arabs realized that there was only one God, and realized that Allah, as the most powerful of their polytheistic Gods was his effective embodiment in their pantheon. Mohammad during his flight with the dog to Jerusalem really learned alot.

We also have to factor in the fact that Hinduism/Buddhism are technically monotheistic as all are under Bhrama. The force of creation and existense. All Gods and all beings are extensions of the One Creator. Think of the other gods as prophets and angels, if you want to go that root. There is also Zorastrianism we worships a singular diety.

Of course, this is solely from the local library.

Yeah the major difference between Islam and Christianity and Judaism is the treatment of the Christ. There are lots of Moslems who have different ideas about it. The Jews never have, and probably never will as a whole, acknowledge him as a prophet. The Christians...Yeah We love our Lord and Saviour and God on Earth.
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Well, looks like I
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Originally posted by Ziffski

Allah was the ancient pagan moon God...Until the Arabs realized that there was only one God, and realized that Allah, as the most powerful of their polytheistic Gods was his effective embodiment in their pantheon. Mohammad during his flight with the dog to Jerusalem really learned alot.



Just to clarify, so people don't get confused, I think what you mean to say is that "Allah" was the name of the central God in Arab Pagan religions. Not that the belief of Allah(SWT) in Islam evolved from "Allah" of Pagan religions. Allah merely means "God" in Arabic.


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That's not an easy question. I consider myself to be agnostic, but I believe that if God ever existed I'd agree with the dieists. In other words, while I don't believe there is a God, I haven't completely elimated the possibility. Also if God ever existed I believe that he was more of creator, not a maintainer (I say you he dead). This country was founded by people who were rationalists and deists. I believe that what they believed was about the most rational answer of the time, but now, with our greater understanding the most likely answer is that their never was a god or gods as any current religion believes.

This was a very interesting quote that I found. It says most of what I believe, that religion can be good, but the good that comes from religion is not exclusive to religion. People can use reason to determine what's right and wrong. They don't need to be preached or written down. I guessing the reason so many people said other is that they don't know what to believe. They have trouble believing something so fanciful as is preached by any current religion.

"Now, I don't believe that God exists. I think that God is creation of men, by men, and for men. What has happened over the many centuries now, the better part of two thousand in fact, is that God has been slowly and steadily accruing power. His church has been accruing power, and the men who run that church, and they are all men, are not about to give it up. If they give it up, they give up luxury, they give up comfort. I'm not saying that it's true of all of them, some of them are working leper colonies and doing extraordinary works in the name of that God. That's a paradox which we probably shouldn't be discussing now, but I'm aware of that. But I'm also aware that there are a lot of very powerful, corrupt men enjoying the power that this tradition, patriarchal tradition, has confered upon them."
-Clive Barker

Another interesting thing that I was considering was the concept of hell. Every major religion has some kind of concept of hell or something to dissuade people from killing themselves or to act in the best way possible. In other words, don't overthrow the monarchy. There is one belief that I found hilarious, that of the Phoenicans. They only believed in a hell. Guess you wouldn't want to do anything to get yourself killed if all that waited was eternal damnation.

I'm always interested in hearing why people believe what they believe. I hate to hear, "It's because that what I was raised as." USE REASON TO DETERMINE IF THAT'S RIGHT FOR YOU.


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Posted on 02-26-05 11:11 AM Link | Quote
Yeah, just because people say they beleive in God doesnt mean they believe in the same God. Here is an example. Lets say I believe in a God that saves people and can not take away that salvation, but Randy believes in a God that can take away a persons salvation. Obviously, they are different Gods.
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Heron.

Believe it or not many old Pagan faiths believed only in Hell. The Maya, Inca and Aztec's gods were particularly harsh. The old Greeeks believed only in Hades. The Romans did have Elysium, but that was only for soldiers. In fact, Heavens are a most recent introduction into most neo-Pagan faiths. For a lot of the time, they didn't have them until meeting with Christianity.

And "reason" is just a false God to determine if passions are unjustified One can never allow reason to overthrow their heart when it comes to dealing with the paranormal. Reason is for interactions between men, not between men and their fatih.
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Posted on 02-27-05 12:47 PM Link | Quote
I'm a Christian. Really into parts of it. Especially things that other people dont agree with, like creationism and not having sex before marriage.
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