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| Acmlm's Board - I2 Archive - World Affairs / Debate - US Election 2004 -- America Votes (Bush is wiener) |
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get.  Level: 73  Posts: 705/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Just wondering, what kind of measures are in place in your government to (as the Australian Democrats here say) "Keep the Bastards Honest" ? In Australia, we have a very powerful senate, that can block bills that aren't fair, etc. The Senate here has forced changes to many bills that would've been unfair, or blocked others that were completely out of line. Is there any such system in the US? |
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Atma X Bandit Level: 43  Posts: 615/801 EXP: 553639 For next: 11407 Since: 03-16-04 From: Derrière vous!!! Since last post: 43 days Last activity: 14 days |
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| @Raistlin the Red Robed: We shouldn't use all of our Oil (I never said we should use it all up). We should use some of it, and rapidly work towards creating alternative resouces. And then, we should leave the rest of the Oil alone (so we are not without Oil,... and in the meantime, we won't have to pay such high prices, because we'll be relying on our own Oil). And you'll probably tell me that we'll never find an alternative resource in time, but how can anyone be sure of that if we never start,... and with the way Bush wants things, we'll use up almost all of the world's Oil, and then finally we'll work towards an alternative resource,... after it's a little too late (it's all about money, and obtaining Middle East Oil is Bush's way of obtaing even more money for him and his buddies,... trust me, him and his father have been in this buisiness for a long time,... especially his father. Take some time and do some research on George H. W. Bush's past with the Saudi Royal Family) And another thing: Isn't it true that one of the reasons that Bush took out Saddam was because he was giving money to terrorists? well, what happens when we buy Oil from Islamic people of the Middle East,... wouldn't that be helping them too? ,...AKA Islamic people - people who are often associated with Terrorists. And also, Halleberton (however you spell it), a company which Bush and Cheney (and also Jeb Bush and others) are involved in, were negociating with the Taliban and wanted them to them build a pipeline in the Afganistan area (I can't remember the country's name right off the bat, but I'll give it to you in a little bit) so they could safely/unnoticed get the Oil out of that area. Only a little bit has gotten out about this, because Halleberton is keeping this as secret as they can, because it looks bad for Bush etc. But the Taliban wasn't very cooperative (or unstable), so they probably went in and built the Pipeline themselves (but there is no evidence that I'm aware of on whether or not the Pipeline is being built right now, so I can't say for sure on that part) (edited by Atma X on 11-03-04 06:23 PM) |
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NHY Goomba Level: 9  Posts: 11/24 EXP: 2751 For next: 411 Since: 05-03-04 From: Ireland Since last post: 302 days Last activity: 6 hours |
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| So, Bush has being relected, Its a sad day for America & the World and I've have to say this; I've noticed that people are always complaining about ineffiecent goverments and yet when it comes to election they've voted them back into power! i've noticed this in elections in three countries, Britian in 2001 ( Labour ) , Ireland in 2002 ( Finna Fail, through they suffered a hammering at the local elections earlier this year, serves them right! ) and now America.... HOW STUPID CAN PEOPLE GET!!???? I mean come on, they moan and groan about the goverment for 4 years and yet they re - elect them, I CANNOT understand that, I just can't! It doesn't make sense! Atma: I know about thoose links and how they let Bin Laden faimly members get out after 9 / 11! Ugh, corruption at its wrost and now the whole world will suffer because of this!  |
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Sandy53215 Acmlm (10:55:31 PM): they're having fun for the first time in so long Level: 47  Posts: 212/948 EXP: 713034 For next: 53169 Since: 03-15-04 From: Milwaukee, Wisconsin (U.S.A) Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 4 hours |
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| Well with Kerry you can assure yourself that we would all be blown to peices and that we would have no jobs here in America. The point I am trying to make is Kerry is complaining about all the deaths over there... YET he wants to send 15,000+ troops over there. WTF? AND he also wants to raise minimum wage. I dont mind that but not now. Raising minimum would send more business's overseas then how bad it is now. The fact is it is cheaper to hire people for piss fucking wage over there. And of course we are gonna loose men in battle. Name one battle that hasnt. Besides word battles. I mean its WAR! And why would you want someone that cant make up there mind. I wonder what Kerry would look like when Sept 11. 2001 happend. Of course you are gonna think of what to do. Lets put you there. Anyways Kerry would have studdered. Its just something I know and feel. Kerry would have studdered or made a big mistake like he did before. I voted for something after I voted against it. WTF???? (Real intelligent) The fact is Kerry doesnt fit "my" needs but he is a great public speaker. | |||
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Jizuko Jiz Is The Magic! This board has run out of mana and can no longer use The Magic Level: 51  Posts: 829/1191 EXP: 1004683 For next: 9255 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 230 days Last activity: 213 days |
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Originally posted by LegionThat's mainly the reason people dislike America (well, non-americans do), because they don't seem to give a damn what happens 'outside'. And it would be nicer to have more support than "you forgot poland" when going to war too  I'm still in the blue what triggered the war. It was like "Omg terrorist attack, war on What disturbs me most about the election is that many people seemed to vote for Bush solely on the fact that their mom's neighbours dog did. That's what sucked about most commercials or most people calling others to go to the polls, what if the ones they are trying to get to vote don't know who to vote on and vote after the prettiness of the name? Isn't that worse? I'd just say leave people alone if they don't want to vote, that's better than having people vote for the wrong reasons. There was one commercial that portraited the message better "Listen. Think. Act", it didn't just say "Act." Another thing that disturbs me is that (atleast here) we heard alot of negative stuff about Bush, people demostrating and actors saying they are going to move if Bush gets elected and not a single good thing, yet he clearly win? I don't mind the flashmovies or the pictures, most of the times they are fun. I don't care about the message, if it's a good laugh it's a good laugh. But what can the people do? They elect a person to do their decisions. You have the senate and the president right? Anything else? If the president passes a bill to outlaw homosexuality and the senate passes it (most of which are rep right?) what can the people do except demostrate? |
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 4929/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| The Canadian reaction to the Bush win... well... it's pretty reserved. Put it this way - PM Martin's going to call Bush, congratulate him, then pretty much confront him on the lumber disputes and the restrictions that have been placed on Canadian beef (despite there being *NO* mad cow disease in Canada at the moment). So basically, Bush has to make some concessions here if he wants our trust back - and we don't want to have cold relations with them for the next 4 years. So something's got to be done. |
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Atma X Bandit Level: 43 Posts: 616/801 EXP: 553639 For next: 11407 Since: 03-16-04 From: Derrière vous!!! Since last post: 43 days Last activity: 14 days |
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Originally posted by Randy53215 Though you seem to have forgot that when Bush found out about the first Tower being attacked (somebody stepped in the classroom and wispered it in his ear,... and he had the TV on with a News channel on that was doing LIVE coverage), he sat there and kept reading childeren stories. Then, the second Tower was attacked, and when Bush found out about that one, he continued to read childeren stories! WTF is with that? Also, to comment on Kerry voting for and then against stuff: He voted for some things because the part that he was told about was a good thing,... but after he voted for them, he found out that there was more in the package,... so if anything, Bush decieved him,... and then told us that Bull Shit Story, and so he decieved us too (so what's better, someone who sticks to their decisions 100% of the time,... even if that decision ends up being bad, or someone who changes their decisions at the appropriate time to makes their final decisions be the right decisions). And also, Bush made half of America believe that Kerry is a Flip Flopper (which was another misleading statement by Bush), but if you look at what Bush has said, he is the biggest Flip Flopper of them all. Example: Here's just one of the many Flip Flopping things that he's said.  (edited by Atma X on 11-03-04 06:48 PM) (edited by Atma X on 11-03-04 06:50 PM) |
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 5777/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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That picture is soooo false, sorry. Funny pic indeed, but it's not true.  And it looks photoshopped for me, the edges looks little.. wierd.And I say this again, i'm anti-bush but not anti-US.  And well... like I said earlier today in IRC. "There is a big diffrence between country leaders and it's population." |
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Atma X Bandit Level: 43 Posts: 617/801 EXP: 553639 For next: 11407 Since: 03-16-04 From: Derrière vous!!! Since last post: 43 days Last activity: 14 days |
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Originally posted by Kitten Yiffer Oops, you're right about the Book. (but the rest remains true)And Btw, the other picture was obviously created by someone (but the content is of it is the truth), but I have seen both videos of Bush saying both statements, so that is definately true (both videos had dates displayed too and was shown on the news,.. but it was only shown a few times) (edited by Atma X on 11-03-04 06:55 PM) (edited by Atma X on 11-03-04 06:58 PM) |
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Jarukoth  IRRATIONAL EXUBERENCE!!1! Level: 79  Posts: 2007/3194 EXP: 4402011 For next: 177456 Since: 03-17-04 From: New Jersey, U.S.A. Shoes: Yes. Since last post: 8 days Last activity: 1 day |
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Originally posted by Legion |
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MathOnNapkins Math n' Hacks Level: 67  Posts: 815/2189 EXP: 2495887 For next: 96985 Since: 03-18-04 From: Base Tourian Since last post: 1 hour Last activity: 32 min. |
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Originally posted by Lunar Depths When you drop bombs on people the casings have a good deal of Uranium left over. It's a mechanism that makes the bombs better and penetrate more. But what happens is after a bombing, native Iraqis will find these casing and use them to drink out of, not knowing what they are. And thus many of them are getting sick from this. I wasn't talking about a nuclear bomb or anything. Stragetic bombings? Since the war began at least 30,000 iraqis have died, and some estimates reach 100,000 people or more. That is a shitload of people. Buy the sound of it that's a lot of civilians, I doubt most of those are military/paramilitary/insurgents given the daily body counts. I also never said that we were targeting innocents, but I think the reality is far beyond the claim of "minimizing civilian casualties". And who am I generalizing about? You're generalizing about me stating that I don't understand the issues, but you didn't mention what issues. I'm somewhat insulted. My claim is that voters who vote for Bush may have voted for him on Christian issues in the domestic domain, but without any regard to how he operates in the foreign domain. But yes I will concede that people who are in Iraq will know more about it and what goes on over there. I'm not going to go over to Iraq JUST to see what's going on. We get information and have to choose what information to trust. I believe that your intention, Mr. Raistlin, in bombing are to minimalize civilian casualties. Do you think your military officers and command are always honest with you about everything though? Do you speak Arabic and ask households how many relatives they've lost? And if I'm wrong about that I apologize. And no I don't live with my parents thank you very much. In fact, I was thinking about applying for the NSA after I graduate from college - to fight the "war on terrorism". Looks like it'll have plenty of job security now that Bush was re-elected. |
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get. Level: 73 Posts: 709/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| ... I think this thread may be going off topic somewhat.... Well, at any rate, it appears that Bush is the new President.. still. I want to know, however, if the vote is audited before it becomes official. This site (black box voting) explains why I asked. It seems to say that it isn't audited. If Bush is voted in, then fine, but I'm only happy with it if the voting process is audited to make sure that there are no errors. Same if Kerry was voted in, I just want to know that the voting process is audited to ensure that the correct result occurs. Weee..... |
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Atma X Bandit Level: 43 Posts: 618/801 EXP: 553639 For next: 11407 Since: 03-16-04 From: Derrière vous!!! Since last post: 43 days Last activity: 14 days |
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| @ Jarukoth: If there is a draft, I would only flee to Canada because I feel that the war was very unessessary, and I would not fight for a cause that I don't believe in (and most Iraqies are pissed off at use for interfering and forcing them to have a Democracy,... and it's not that they didn't want a Democracy, it's because we forced it on them because that's what we wanted for them, and they aren't having much say of what goes in their own country right now [or at least not as much as they should have]. And also, Bush helped choose their President,... so it's kind of like the're being babied/bullied by the U.S. [but in even more ways than that]). But anyway, the fact of the matter is that many Americans don't believe this war was right, so they will not participate in it, so they threaten to move to Canada if there is a draft (and some just want to get away from Bush, and they want to live in a better society than what Bush has created). |
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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 2335/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| To anyone talking about a draft: STFU ABOUT THE DRAFT Even if Bush wanted to impose a draft, he would have to get the proposal past Congress. And 60% of both places would have to vote in favor of it. It wouldn't have to go to the states, because it is not a constitutional amendment, but nonetheless, do you honestly think that 60% of Congress would pass a draft if it was not an absolute neccessity? And if it WAS an absolute necessity, Bush could just impose it himself, like FDR declared war without Congress's approval. However, a draft will not be necessary. So shut up about it. EDIT: On a different note, I too believe that the situtation in Iraq reeks of White Man's Burden (we imposing a culture on them "for the good of their country..." because it is our responsibility to do so, being the "superior culture")... also, our conflicts with the Middle East, which have been expanding, has led to a McCarthyism-like happening on the homefront with people who are Muslim and people who are from Middle Eastern decent. There are several civil rights battles/issues we have now because of this and because of the anti-gay stands that Bush takes. Basically, Bush saying "I'm a uniter, not a divider" in 2000 was a lie then and remains to be now. EDIT2: Canada's in a mess right now too, by the way. Also, if you think that the results from Bush being the worst environmental president in our history made America look bad environmentally... well... let's just say parts of Canada have it 10x worse (*cough*BRITISH COLOMBIA*cough*) (edited by Kefka on 11-03-04 09:43 PM) (edited by Kefka on 11-03-04 09:45 PM) |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 1595/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| As a Canadian, it doesn't really affect me as much as you think, in fact, I think it is great for satire. | |||
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 4941/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| Taryn: Don't worry. Most of the results seem pretty clear-cut, but after what happened last time... *IF* a major problem emerged, steps would be taken to correct it. As of this moment, that hasn't taken place. ...Although I'm wondering if they're going to end up recounting Iowa for no reason.  |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 1598/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by Kefka Eh, what? Last I checked the only major environmental problems in BC were the forest fires. You want to know a part of Canada that has it ten times worse? Look at the dried up Uranium mines in Northern Quebec. Or better yet, our native reserves. |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101  Posts: 2776/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| "That's mainly the reason people dislike America (well, non-americans do), because they don't seem to give a damn what happens 'outside'." AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Are you serious?  America gives tons of aid and support to countries around the world. Bush donated a shit load of money to AIDS research in Africa, more than any other country combined. And whats-his-face said it wasn't enough and he wanted more. That's what upsets me, when they don't show appreciation. We're constantly donation and giving aid wherever we can and that, is what no one seems to give a damn about.. There are some things that we're not doing anything about which we should. Take the sudanese and the issues in sub sahara Africa. That's something the bothers me personally and I think we should be doing something about it. Horrible things going on over there. It's still disturbing to see all these people say that they're going to run away from the U.S. How exactly are you helping by running away? I don't seem to remember this country being founded by running. We stayed, and we fought. I can't speak for all of you but Legion doesn't run from his problems. When it all comes down to it, politics aren't really that important. What matters most is before your nose. It lies in your own garden. How can you complain that no one else is working hard to produce enough for the harvest when your own field is choked with weeds? Quit sitting around, complaining and then running from problems. DO something about it. The common people have the real power, not the President. (edited by Legion on 11-04-04 12:13 AM) |
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MathOnNapkins Math n' Hacks Level: 67 Posts: 823/2189 EXP: 2495887 For next: 96985 Since: 03-18-04 From: Base Tourian Since last post: 1 hour Last activity: 32 min. |
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| Pssshaw, don't move to Canada people, move to Ohio. | |||
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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 2338/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by ZiffskiOriginally posted by Kefka I thought that BC had some very serious mining and logging issues |
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