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| Acmlm's Board - I2 Archive - World Affairs / Debate - Partial Birth Abortion |
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Should it be Legal or Illegal| Yes |
50.0%, 8 votes | No |
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Davideo7 Koopa Level: 18  Posts: 52/112 EXP: 28817 For next: 1080 Since: 03-21-04 Since last post: 52 days Last activity: 17 days |
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| Kerry supports Partial Birth abortion. What it is, they take the baby half way out of the mother, and basically disect the brain. Up to 9 months they can do this! CLICK HERE!! http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/diagram.html  Keep in mind, that they can do this up to 9 months pregnant, and the baby is still alive until they jam the scissors into the skull. (edited by Davideo7 on 11-01-04 10:05 PM) |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 1590/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Nothing wrong there. In fact, that is the wrong procedure as it was developed for helping women who had a dead fetus in their womb. The procedure was created in order to remove babies before they began rotting in the womb, potentially killing the mother, or giving birth to a traumatizing pile of rotting baby parts. And that site doesn't give much definition as to what it is, and uses provacative language. Although, I nor my mother have ever heard of this, I can be sure that there is something wrong here. |
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Davideo7 Koopa Level: 18 Posts: 53/112 EXP: 28817 For next: 1080 Since: 03-21-04 Since last post: 52 days Last activity: 17 days |
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| If someone could edit this poll, that'd be great. Make the answers be either 'Legal' or 'Illegal' (gives me error page when trying to edit poll) (edited by Davideo7 on 11-01-04 09:55 PM) |
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Rydain Ropa Blaze Phoenix Runs With the Dragon Within Level: 42  Posts: 300/738 EXP: 490056 For next: 31306 Since: 03-15-04 From: State College, PA Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 8 hours |
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| Partial birth abortion is not a medical term. It is actually a deliberately misleading conflation of a procedure (intact dilation and extraction) and a time period during which said procedure is formed (after the first trimester) that is designed to make people cringe in horror at the thought of evil doctors pulling sentient babies out of the womb days from delivery and cruelly stabbing them in the back of the skull with scissors. The closest procedure to this hypothetical situation would be a third trimester intact D&E. In the US, said procedure is extremely rare and only performed to preserve the woman's health or life. For example, say that a pregnant woman's fetus dies in utero at 30 weeks gestation and is stuck in a position that makes it impossible to deliver by inducing labor. A ban on so-called partial-birth abortions with no health exemption would force her to undergo a C-section to remove the fetus. As a result, she would have a permanently weakened abdominal wall. In contrast, an intact D&E would get the fetus out of her body in a much less traumatic manner. In my view, it is flat out inhumane to deny the woman this option. For more information, refer to this site. I recommend reading the personal experiences of women who had late-term so-called partial birth abortions for medical reasons. You might also wish to read the ACOG's amicus curiae brief filed in Stenberg v. Carhart. |
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 4895/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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I agree with Rydain; and besides, it's not an option that's open to all people. If the woman benefits from the procedure, then it should be done. There's nothing inhumane about it - if the fetus is dead, then it's dead.  It's up to the doctors to do what's best then. |
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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 2332/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| Well, as long as they don't kill a living kid in the 9th month, or in the near, near stages of birth, then it should be ok to have an abortion. But don't kill the kid when the kid has already become a kid (I do not kid). | |||
Arwon Zora Level: 35  Posts: 201/506 EXP: 278115 For next: 1821 Since: 03-15-04 From: Terra Australis Incognita Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 10 min. |
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| What Rydain said, since she beat me to it. It rarely happens, it's called "dilation and extraction" not "partial birth abortion" and is being used by abortion opponents to emotionally blackmail people. |
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Lunar Depths Paragoomba Level: 14  Posts: 50/67 EXP: 11330 For next: 1741 Since: 09-01-04 From: New Jersey Since last post: 105 days Last activity: 105 days |
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| Maybe I'm just incapable of using that site listed, but I have a question for you Rydain. Assuming there is a situation like the one you suggested, where the fetus dies during the final trimester, and they are unable to induce labor, how do they get the fetus out in order to perform the intact D&E? Perhaps they use a technique I haven't heard of, but it seems to me that if they are able to get the fetus out through that method, then a C-section wouldn't be necessary. After all, isn't abortion killing the fetus while it's alive and not removing an already deceased fetus? Methinks they are two different things. If I'm mistaken though, definitely correct me because I don't really know a lot about it. | |||
Sokarhacd Ball and Chain Trooper Resistance is Futile You Will Be Assimilated Hab SoSlI' Quch Level: 61  Posts: 536/1757 EXP: 1799888 For next: 76708 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 4 hours |
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| I say legal, only if there is a really good reason...not just because the mother cant take care of it, it should be something like if the kid has something really wrong, and his/her life would be a living hell, such as multiple surgeries, and in a wheelchar or something like that... | |||
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Rydain Ropa Blaze Phoenix Runs With the Dragon Within Level: 42 Posts: 302/738 EXP: 490056 For next: 31306 Since: 03-15-04 From: State College, PA Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 8 hours |
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Originally posted by Lunar Depths It's not you.  I don't think any of those sites explain the intact D&E in detail. I just posted them to show how the procedure is used and why it is the safest option in some cases when a pregnancy goes horribly wrong. (Incidentally, the same procedure seems to be referred to by some sources as a D&X, which doesn't make it any easier to do research on it...)An intact D&E is done over several days. By inserting absorbent sticks called laminaria, the doctor dilates the woman's cervix enough so that they can manipulate the fetus and slide its body out. If necessary, the head is then collapsed so it will fit through the cervix. This oftentimes is the case because a fetus' head is much larger than its body, especially if it is afflicted with hydrocephalus, which causes the head to be significantly bigger than that of an average fetus of the same age and size. The reason that they don't just expand the cervix enough to get the head out without collapsing it is that this would cause more trauma to the woman's body without providing any benefit to the fetus which, in the case we are discussing, is dead. (In the case of hydrocephalus, it would probably be impossible to dilate the cervix enough to pull the intact head out anyway. Otherwise healthy babies who have hydrocephalus are generally delivered via C-section.) According to an online medical dictionary I just searched, removing a dead fetus does fall under the umbrella of abortion. See the full definition of the word here. As far as laws are concerned, some of the proposed bans on so-called PBA's that I've seen make exemptions for taking a deceased fetus out of the uterus, but others do not. I hope this answered your questions. Thanks for your calm and polite inquiry. |
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Dracoon Zelda The temp ban/forum ban bypasser! Level: 84  Posts: 1669/3727 EXP: 5514391 For next: 147561 Since: 03-25-04 From: At home Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| I can't really vote, because Rydain kinda proved that the question is flawed in every aspect. So I can just say I am pro-choice. Not my body, I don't care what happens. Oh, and David, try to read both sides of something before you post a poll, because how you posted it makes it incredibly one sided. | |||
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Davideo7 Koopa Level: 18 Posts: 55/112 EXP: 28817 For next: 1080 Since: 03-21-04 Since last post: 52 days Last activity: 17 days |
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Originally posted by Dracoon I was just showing what Partial Birth Abortion is for those who didn't know. |
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Thomas Buzz Blob Level: 26  Posts: 50/298 EXP: 98852 For next: 3423 Since: 10-29-04 From: United States Since last post: 88 days Last activity: 83 days |
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| This is totally wrong. I am catholic so I believe that all abortion is wrong. I am a Bush supporter because of that issue. I will be glad the day Bush gets rid of all abortion in the United States. |
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Davideo7 Koopa Level: 18 Posts: 69/112 EXP: 28817 For next: 1080 Since: 03-21-04 Since last post: 52 days Last activity: 17 days |
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Originally posted by amphros23 Your a smart man amphros23, very smart man  |
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Apple Kodondo Level: 38 Posts: 520/594 EXP: 350163 For next: 20284 Since: 03-27-04 From: Washington. Since last post: 264 days Last activity: 152 days |
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Originally posted by amphros23 Heaven forbid that women have the rights over their bodies. |
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Jizuko Jiz Is The Magic! This board has run out of mana and can no longer use The Magic Level: 51  Posts: 833/1191 EXP: 1004683 For next: 9255 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 230 days Last activity: 213 days |
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Originally posted by AppleMy thoughts exactly. Males should have veto on naming though >( |
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 5795/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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Originally posted by amphros23You don't need to write linebreaks like that, it's just... annoying. So abortion is wrong even if the fetus is already dead? Hmm?  I'm actually for abortions as long it's before the brain get's devoloped. After that I would only like abortions for medical cases. And eh... it would make more sense if it said Legal and Illegal instead of Yes and No, but I think you mean Legal with Yes so... but still it depends on the situation. (edited by Kitten Yiffer on 11-04-04 01:40 PM) |
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DahrkDaiz Red Super Koopa  Acmlm's Mosts 2005 Best ROM Hacker Level: 45  Posts: 375/885 EXP: 643520 For next: 16644 Since: 03-15-04 From: K-Town Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by amphros23 So what? Bush is Methodist and if you search here you'll see the Methodist stance on abortion which pretty much says that PBA's are ok if the mother is put into danger or there is no chance of life in the unborn child. And Bush can't do a damned thing if it doesn't go through Congress first Also, don't believe something just because of your religious denomination says to. I remember seeing one Catholic bishop on television who basically said: abortion IS a major issue, but, if your vote for another candidate is for other issues and not abortion, it's ok. Thus, abortion doesn't trump other issues. By the way, you got in your layout that you're a rom hacker... last I checked, that was still illegal (stealing, copyright infringement, etc) and the Catholic church don't like stealing :/ (edited by Rebecca Daise on 11-04-04 05:47 PM) |
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MorbidMolly Octoballoon Level: 21  Posts: 144/171 EXP: 46523 For next: 3420 Since: 08-26-04 From: my house, a state, USA Since last post: 70 days Last activity: 5 days |
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I don't think abortion should be legal at all. However I do not judge those who do agree with this form of murder. Also your religion dosen't discide your beleifes.(sp) |
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MathOnNapkins Math n' Hacks Level: 67  Posts: 824/2189 EXP: 2495887 For next: 96985 Since: 03-18-04 From: Base Tourian Since last post: 1 hour Last activity: 32 min. |
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| In my mind, if you are Catholic, and let that determine your political mindset, then you should be bothering your legislators to outlaw condoms as well. According to their doctrine (which I grew up with but don't necessarily agree with), they inhibit God's plan for life, and I would interpret that as something comparable to murder. Why no public outcry over condoms if it basically amounts to the same result - a loss of life. At least, I've never seen a public outcry over it. |
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