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Sokarhacd Ball and Chain Trooper Resistance is Futile You Will Be Assimilated Hab SoSlI' Quch Level: 61  Posts: 518/1757 EXP: 1799888 For next: 76708 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 4 hours |
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| yup, there is a new one..even though im not american, my mom watches CNN over here in canada, they say its authentic, and it probably is...I wonder what he has up his sleeve?... http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/29/binladen.tape/index.html you can even watch the video there. edit: this might belong in the debate forum, if so move it. (edited by Dcahrakos on 10-29-04 08:28 PM) |
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Prier Archangel Administrative Priestess. NUCLEAR SUB WEEEOOOO Level: 119  Posts: 3951/8392 EXP: 18790939 For next: 138352 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima Dist. - Tokyo, Japan Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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| Saw stuff on it via MSN. [shrugs] I guess I could say I couldn't care less, but I can't say the same for people that are gonna want to throw the panic level up for Homeland Security. |
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 5645/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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| ...I do hope it's not gonna be another terrorist attack at least. Hah, i'm actually not caring much either. At least he is alive. If he get's caught just before the election... then i'm gonna belive that conspirancy about him being already caught. ~_~ I doubt they would do a World trade center "hijack a plane" thing if they gonna make a terrorist attack, it's harder today to do that (far from impossible thought...). Maybe they have a car full with bombs or something. |
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 4831/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| *moves to Debate Forum* Prediction: The election's gonna be held under an Orange alert now. |
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Apple Kodondo Level: 38 Posts: 489/594 EXP: 350163 For next: 20284 Since: 03-27-04 From: Washington. Since last post: 264 days Last activity: 152 days |
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| I still have my 20 bucks saying hes already in American cusdity and we're just waiting until the day or two before the election to tell the world. I don't care, Terrorist attacks don't fear me. | |||
alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 1569/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Yasser Arafat is on his death bed. The US presidential election is coming near. Ramadan. Piece together these three pieces of the puzzle, adding the emergence of a new Al-Qaeda tape...Gee golly, I'm pretty sure that American interests are going to be attacked. |
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Ran-chan Moldorm eek, when are they going to stop growing... Level: 143  Posts: 4622/12781 EXP: 35293588 For next: 538220 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima District, Tokyo - Japan Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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Dracoon Zelda The temp ban/forum ban bypasser! Level: 84  Posts: 1643/3727 EXP: 5514391 For next: 147561 Since: 03-25-04 From: At home Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| I dunno he does make a good amount of sense... Why would they attack us for no reason? We would just try and force our arms down their throats to kill them. (which we did) So maybe he is telling the truth, or did you just not care to look at that possiblity. US doesn't have him... Bush would have flaunted it towards the begining of the elctions and kept that going saying "If I was a bad president how come I captured Osama?" |
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kiwibonga Double metal axe Level: 27  Posts: 234/266 EXP: 106040 For next: 10119 Since: 03-15-04 From: Montreal, QC, Canada Since last post: 126 days Last activity: 3 days |
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| Watch as Bin Laden is magically caught this weekend. Holy shit. I hate this. Bin Laden became meaningless, all of a sudden it's the most important headline again... Talk about the culture of fear... |
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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 2324/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| Who gives a shit whether Bin Laden still has access to a video camera? | |||
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 5653/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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He mentioned Sweden. According to a Swedish newspaper.  I yet have to see that video becuse CNN wants subscrition and all, I have to find it somewhere else.  He said "If bush says we hated freedom, why didn't we strike for example at Sweden?" That's translated from a Swedish transcript, since I don't have the english one. -.- Hopefully the video should be on e-mule. I doubt he would be able to plan any attack, seems more he wants to change the outcome of the election. :/ |
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Sokarhacd Ball and Chain Trooper Resistance is Futile You Will Be Assimilated Hab SoSlI' Quch Level: 61 Posts: 529/1757 EXP: 1799888 For next: 76708 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 4 hours |
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| the news channel is on in the living room, and I heard it say he said that america should brace for another terrorist attack, but he didnt say when, or where, or how....so I wonder if he will do anything... | |||
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 5660/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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| When? If I was a terrorist I would take the day where people go out and vote. Which is very soon. Then, can anyone honeslty answer how much power Bin (edited by Kitten Yiffer on 10-30-04 10:34 PM) |
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 4855/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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Geez, if they caught Osama this weekend that would be... wild card #428 in this year's election.  See, they can attack "American interests" and everyone would expect an attack in the US. So they wouldn't do it there of course. |
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Atma X Bandit Level: 43  Posts: 607/801 EXP: 553639 For next: 11407 Since: 03-16-04 From: Derrière vous!!! Since last post: 43 days Last activity: 14 days |
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Originally posted by Dcahrakos Well, Osama said that the main problem he has is with our foreign policies,... and if we change them, he said he'll leave us alone. But if Bush wins (which he most likely will,... even if he has to cheat), I guarantee that our foreign policies will remain the same, so I guess we should be prepared for another attack (and why the hell do so many Americans actually like Bush,... is half of our country really that stupid  [XD,... j/k, I wish the reason was that simple] ).(edited by Atma X on 10-31-04 03:22 AM) (edited by Atma X on 11-01-04 02:12 PM) |
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Ran-chan Moldorm eek, when are they going to stop growing... Level: 143 Posts: 4659/12781 EXP: 35293588 For next: 538220 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima District, Tokyo - Japan Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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| I heard that he talked about Sweden and I think that it | |||
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DarkSlaya POOOOOOOOOOOORN! Level: 88 Posts: 2357/4249 EXP: 6409254 For next: 241410 Since: 05-16-04 From: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 8 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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Originally posted by Atma XOriginally posted by Dcahrakos I would be tempted to say yes, but it's not that they are stupid.... I'm sure that Bin Laden has better things to do than attack USA..... like making NEW tapes! |
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Dracoon Zelda The temp ban/forum ban bypasser! Level: 84 Posts: 1657/3727 EXP: 5514391 For next: 147561 Since: 03-25-04 From: At home Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| He wasn't caught, 5 people owe me $10. Happy days. As I said, he isn't just going to attack us a bunch, cause then we would just bomb all of asia till someone dies. (hurray for nukes) |
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Anya The Exile Ultima Mezcla de Yin Yan Level: 98  Posts: 3342/5337 EXP: 9530313 For next: 124040 Since: 03-15-04 From: South Florida Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 2 days |
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| The tape mentions that those states that will vote and choose Kerry, will be safe. Those who vote for Bush, will not be. I have not heard that part mentioned on TV. Since most of the media want Kerry to win, why would they announce something that could hurt him? Too bad people are easily swayed. I posted something in my journal about this a few days ago, and yes, I'm going to paste it here as well. Webside here November 1, 2004 No.14 Osama Bin Laden Tape Threatens U.S. States Not to Vote for Bush By: Yigal Carmon* The tape of Osama bin Laden that was aired on Al-Jazeera [1] on Friday, October 29th included a specific threat to "each U.S. state," designed to influence the outcome of the upcoming election against George W. Bush. The U.S. media in general mistranslated the words "ay wilaya" (which means "each U.S. state") [2] to mean a "country" or "nation" other than the U.S., while in fact the threat was directed specifically at each individual U.S. state. This suggests some knowledge by bin Laden of the U.S. electoral college system. In a section of his speech in which he harshly criticized George W. Bush, bin Laden stated: "Any U.S. state that does not toy with our security automatically guarantees its own security." The Islamist website Al-Qal'a explained what this sentence meant: "This message was a warning to every U.S. state separately. When he [Osama Bin Laden] said, 'Every state will be determining its own security, and will be responsible for its choice,' it means that any U.S. state that will choose to vote for the white thug Bush as president has chosen to fight us, and we will consider it our enemy, and any state that will vote against Bush has chosen to make peace with us, and we will not characterize it as an enemy. By this characterization, Sheikh Osama wants to drive a wedge in the American body, to weaken it, and he wants to divide the American people itself between enemies of Islam and the Muslims, and those who fight for us, so that he doesn't treat all American people as if they're the same. This letter will have great implications inside the American society, part of which are connected to the American elections, and part of which are connected to what will come after the elections." [3] Another interesting aspect of the speech is the fact that while bin Laden made his specific threat to each U.S. state, he also offered an election deal to the American voters, attempting to influence the election by these means rather than influencing it through terrorist attacks. [4] This peace offer is a theme that follows up on his April speech directed to Europe, in which he offered a truce. [5] The Islamist website Al-Islah explains: "Some people ask 'what's new in this tape?' [The answer is that] this tape is the second of its kind, after the previous tape of the Sheikh [Osama bin Laden], in which he offered a truce to the Europeans a few months ago, and it is a completion of this move, and it brings together the complementary elements of politics and religion, political savvy and force, the sword and justice. The Sheikh reminds the West in this tape of the great Islamic civilization and pure Islamic religion, and of Islamic justice?" [6] Another conspicuous aspect of the tape is the absence of common Islamist themes that are relevant to the month of Ramadan, which for fundamentalists like bin Laden is the month of Jihad and martyrdom. Noticeably absent from the Al-Jazeera tape was his usual appearance with a weapon, and more importantly the absence of references to Jihad, martyrdom, the Koran, the Hadith (Islamic tradition), Crusaders, Jews, and the legacy of the Prophet Muhammad on the duty to wage Jihad against the infidels. For the followers of the Al-Qa'ida ideology, this speech sends a regressive and defeatist message of surrender, as seen in the move from solely using Jihad warfare to a mixed strategy of threats combined with truce offers and election deals. The following are the relevant excerpts from the speech; for the full excerpts visit the MEMRI TV Project at www.memritv.org: [7] "Oh the American people, I address these words to you regarding the optimal manner of avoiding another Manhattan, and regarding the war, its causes, and its consequences. But before this, I say to you: Security is one of the important pillars of human life, and free men do not take their security lightly, contrary to Bush's claim that we hate freedom. Let him explain why we did not attack Sweden, for example. Clearly, those who hate freedom have no pride, unlike the 19 [suicide hijackers of 9/11], may Allah have mercy on them. We have been fighting you because we are free men who do not remain silent in the face of injustice. We want to restore our [Islamic] nation's freedom. Just as you violate our security, we violate yours. "But I am amazed at you. Although we have entered the fourth year after the events of 9/11, Bush is still practicing distortion and deception against you and he is still concealing the true cause from you. Consequently, the motives for its reoccurrence still exist? "We had no difficulty dealing with Bush and his administration, because it resembles the regimes in our [Arab] countries, half of which are ruled by the military, and the other half are ruled by the sons of kings and presidents with whom we have had a lot of experience. Among both types, there are many who are known for their conceit, arrogance, greed, and for taking money dishonestly. "This resemblance began with the visit of Bush Sr. to the region. While some of our people were dazzled by the U.S. and hoped that these visits would influence our countries, it was he who was influenced by these monarchic and military regimes. He envied them for remaining in their positions for decades, while embezzling the nation's public funds with no supervision whatsoever. He bequeathed tyranny and the suppression of liberties to his son and they called it the Patriot Act, under the pretext of the war on terrorism. "Bush Sr. liked the idea of appointing [his] sons as state governors. Similarly, he did not neglect to import into Florida the expertise in falsifying [elections] from the leaders of this region in order to benefit from it in difficult moments. "We agreed with the general commander Muhammad Atta, may Allah have mercy on him, that all operations should be carried out within 20 minutes, before Bush and his administration would become aware. We never imagined that the Commander in Chief of the American armed forces would abandon 50,000 of his citizens in the twin towers to face this great horror alone when they needed him most. It seemed to him that a girl's story about her goat and its butting was more important than dealing with planes and their 'butting' into skyscrapers. This allowed us three times the amount of time needed for the operations, Allah be praised. "Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or Al-Qa'ida. Your security is in your own hands, and any U.S. state that does not toy with our security automatically guarantees its own security." * Yigal Carmon is the President of MEMRI. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [1] Al-Jazeera (Qatar), October 27, 2004. [2] "Wilaya" refers specifically to a U.S. state; it would never refer to an independent country. The term for such a country is "Dawla." [3] https://www.qal3ati.com/vb/showthread.php?t=115812 [4] To illustrate this principle, he uses Sweden as a model of a country that was never attacked by Al-Qa'ida. [5] See MEMRI Special Dispatch No. 695, April 15, 2004, "Osama Bin Laden Speech Offers Peace Treaty with Europe, Says Al-Qa'ida 'Will Persist in Fighting' the U.S." http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP69504 [6] www.islahi.net/vboard/showthread.php?t=116432 [7] To view the full tape aired on Al-Jazeera or read the transcript, visit http://memritv.org/Search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=312. (edited by Anya on 11-02-04 10:21 AM) |
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Ran-chan Moldorm eek, when are they going to stop growing... Level: 143 Posts: 4711/12781 EXP: 35293588 For next: 538220 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima District, Tokyo - Japan Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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Are they extremists or what?  I just hope that it doesn (edited by Millennium Neko on 11-02-04 03:24 PM) |
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