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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 2305/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| I was just interested in finding out people's thoughts on this (in my opinion) serious issue. As you can guess, the price of oil is constantly rising because there is becoming far less of it throughout the world, but with the increase in population throughout the world, and the massive number of things that oil is used in, the desire for the product is rising as well (simple 2nd grade supply & demand properties, folks). Also, many people probably already know that oil is a NON-RENEWABLE RESOURCE... well, yes, it can renew itself, but it takes over 1000 years for a small amount of oil to be renewed. The substance is being used at a far greater rate than it can renew itself, so basically, we are going to run out of oil sometime, and probably somewhat soon, as the world population keeps increasing exponentially, and the desire for oil still increases all the while. For this matter, I present a couple of questions: 1) when will we run out of oil? 2) what will energy companies need to be using as a replacement for oil, which makes up a huge amount of their revenue (well, for most of them, anyway)? I can't make a very good guess on when we will run out of oil, as I don't know the EXACT rate at which we are using it right now. However, I can make a guess as to what energy companies should start focusing on as a replacement... no, it's not solar or electricity... it's ethanol. Corn, a RENEWABLE RESOURCE, is a major product that is used to make this fuel. Will we be able to make cars and other modern tools be able to run on ethanol? I can't tell for sure, but it seems promising. If we can, then we certainly won't need to worry about running out as much, because there are plenty of places all over the world that can grow substantial amounts of corn throughout the year. Also, in case there are those who are taking an entirely different side on this, is losing the ability to use oil even an issue right now? Should energy companies even be concentrating on finding a replacement? Other thoughts and input, please. |
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 5597/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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Semen will replace oil.  No honestly, I dare to say. It's not gonna run out quickly but it's gonna be harder to get... and therefore rise in price. I doubt we squeeze out every liter of oil there is, but when the price is very high I think most people hopefully thought the other alternatives....  Hydrogen seems promising, you can produce it easily in the deserts with Solar plants and all. And I think that's something Oil companies should look into doing. |
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MathOnNapkins Math n' Hacks Level: 67  Posts: 697/2189 EXP: 2495887 For next: 96985 Since: 03-18-04 From: Base Tourian Since last post: 1 hour Last activity: 32 min. |
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| There are plenty other volatile chemicals out there if you want to pursue that route. Ethanal, methanol, diesel, etc. just to name a few. You can literally create diesel with certain kinds of trees cost effectively and efficiently enough to bring product to market. | |||
Dracoon Zelda The temp ban/forum ban bypasser! Level: 84  Posts: 1615/3727 EXP: 5514391 For next: 147561 Since: 03-25-04 From: At home Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| We will run out before a hundred years go by. As Kitten Yiffer said, hydrogen is the answer. We can run cars with it and it doesn't hurt the world in anyways, there may be in increase in rain, or something I am not highly educated on it. This is a big issue though and no one is really doing anything about it. Almost everything you own had oil used to make it, so we may be screwed fairly soon. |
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Cymoro PATRICK DUFFY WILL LASER YOUR SOUL   Level: 67  Posts: 1418/2216 EXP: 2549743 For next: 43129 Since: 03-15-04 From: Cymoro Gaming Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| No need to fear; Mars contains a large amount of H3, a Hydrogen that is very substancial and can provide a large amount of energy with just a tiny bit. We get a sample of that, and we may be able to synthetically make more. Just imagine. | |||
alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 1529/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Diesal fuel is made from oil, math. The diesal you're thinking of is called biodiesal which is quite different from traditional diesall. Those chemicals that you've listed are too hard to refine in mass-quantities for fuel grade consumption and fuel stations wouldn't be able to carry large enough amount of the fuel for the North American traveller. The problem is that individual transportation is the big waster of fuels. What needs to be done is an increase of public transportation, such as you see in well established communities and in places like Europe and Japan. And like Dracoon said, quite wisely, the majority of the objects that we use are petroleum bi-products, plastics, etc. These polymer materials won't exist, and we'll need to find new ways of making them. I've heard of people using hemp plastics, but the problem with making bio-plastics is that we just don't have the levels of production of the base materials. |
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Valcion YOU WA SHOCK Level: 50  Posts: 601/1139 EXP: 939607 For next: 7710 Since: 03-15-04 From: internets. Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by Kitten Yiffer If that were true, I'd love to be the gas pump. Well, if it was in a neighborhood of hot girls. but i'm willing to bet that they'll go for the hydrogen. |
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Blades Paratroopa I hack rom; me admin Level: 21  Posts: 91/151 EXP: 45354 For next: 4589 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pr�vost, Qu�bec, Canada Since last post: 31 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| Like named above, ethanol, methanol, hydrogen, propane, bio-diesel, vegtable oil So far, I've tried vegtable oil and bio-diesel (diesel engine) I've driven an Ethanol powered car (normal gas engine with ultra-high compression 17:1) I'll give ya all a class later on. Short term: Biodiesel and ethanol Mid-term: Hydrogen Long term: electric |
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eefex Newcomer Level: 3  Posts: 2/3 EXP: 86 For next: 42 Since: 02-01-05 From: Michigan Since last post: 273 days Last activity: 268 days |
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| Id have to say for transportation hydrogen is the way to go. You could even add solar power to it so that it doesnt rain as much, But for electricity ima have to say that Nuclear Power is the big boy. Im sure you all think that nuclear power is bad but all the major leaks that have infected ppl were in russia cuz they didnt have containment buildings which the us nuclear power factorys have. Also nuclear power is way more efficient than oil so with less resources way more power will be produced. I did my senior research paper on nuclear power and i have to say that it stunned me at how much power we can harvest out of uranium. As for the meltdown problems those can be solved with better trained ppl and safer power plants. Nuclear power is the way to go and hydroelectric would have to be second place and third i would have to guess solar. | |||
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Blades Paratroopa I hack rom; me admin Level: 21 Posts: 104/151 EXP: 45354 For next: 4589 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pr�vost, Qu�bec, Canada Since last post: 31 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| For electricity, I'm all for hydro power. So far, it's the most long term cost efficient source of energy. Also have a lot of potential. (I've worked with solar and windmill) As for fuel, ethanol (used here due to anti-gel properties) , methanol (highly used in Brezil) and synthetic diesel (biodiesel) are the 3 technologies I've worked with. So car, bioD is the most economic to make and only has 10% the poluant of diesel. Btw, Diesel car polute less than new gas car due to diesel particulate filters. |
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Ran-chan Moldorm eek, when are they going to stop growing... Level: 143  Posts: 7124/12781 EXP: 35293588 For next: 538220 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima District, Tokyo - Japan Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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Originally posted by Kitten Yiffer Yeah, I |
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NSNick Laidback Admin Level: 85  Posts: 1741/3875 EXP: 5895841 For next: 2699 Since: 03-15-04 From: North Side School: OSU Since last post: 9 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| Oil is also used in the production of plastics, isn't it? How much can we recycle plastic after the oil runs out? | |||
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eefex Newcomer Level: 3 Posts: 3/3 EXP: 86 For next: 42 Since: 02-01-05 From: Michigan Since last post: 273 days Last activity: 268 days |
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| If we cant make plastics anymore then we will be screwed. Just look at the computer your on, the keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, and case are all made of plastics. Just like that one commercial we cant live without plastics. Plastics have invaided there way into every part of our life. The only other thing i can see us using is rubber and they doesnt have some of the good qualities that plastic does. Speaking of hydrogen cars did anyone go to the auto show? I went and the main theme of it was hydro cars practically. BMW has a hydro car that goes 186 mph and GMs making buses and cars with hydroelectric motors in them. Its pretty sweet stuff. (edited by eefex on 02-01-05 11:16 PM) (edited by eefex on 02-01-05 11:18 PM) |
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neotransotaku Baby Mario 戻れたら、 誰も気が付く Level: 87 Posts: 2002/4016 EXP: 6220548 For next: 172226 Since: 03-15-04 From: Outside of Time/Space Since last post: 11 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| according to my organic chemistry teacher, he says that the world isn't really running out of oil but rather running out of oil that is profitable. He says that there are plenty of places that has oil that is usable. For example, in the rocky mountains, there is supposedly shale oil--oil that is embedded in rock. However, the only way to get the oil out is to essentially do the same process you take water out of a sponge--you squeeze it. Also, in Canada there are some tar pits up there. But those tar pits are filled will other stuff besides oil that extracting the oil out isn't very profitable right now. There are a few more places like that so yeah. So, anyone believe my chemistry teacher?  |
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Blades Paratroopa I hack rom; me admin Level: 21 Posts: 108/151 EXP: 45354 For next: 4589 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pr�vost, Qu�bec, Canada Since last post: 31 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by neotransotaku He's 100% right. Petroleum oil in irak/iran is very cheap to produce. You can make a better profit by extracting it in those countries, importing it by bot and process it here, then resell it, than extracting it here and then process it. Petroleum oil is actualy cheaper than most oil (like vegtable or canola) but the difference is in the quantity used daily.. Bigger profits with quantity over price. |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38  Posts: 498/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| Yea, the chances of an actual oil crash as the doomsayers forsee is very slim. Rather, what you'll see is a rising price of oil that will lead to: a) Alternate energy sources being developed b) More efficient (energy-saving) technology being developed c) New oil sources that were not profitable in the past becoming profitable to mine. Likewise, oil refining technology will be developed as well. It's doubtful that you'd see a straight-up crash unless something amazing happens, like people discovering that we really don't have as much as we think we do. Remember - part of the present value of oil represents speculation on the future price. If experts really expected an oil crash, you'd see massive amounts of hoarding right now. But you don't. (edited by hhallahh on 02-05-05 08:45 AM) |
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