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DarkSlaya POOOOOOOOOOOORN! Level: 88 Posts: 2206/4249 EXP: 6409254 For next: 241410 Since: 05-16-04 From: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 8 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| I say that if someome wants to commit suicide, then they do it. Why? Because I think this is just a sign that they don't understand what life is. Of course, I don't say it's the good thing to do, but those serious about it already understand what they will do to themselves, but they don't know what it'll do to others. Another sign that proves that they don't seem to know a thing about life. I also think that it is a sign of weakness. "I can't handle it, then I won't try to be able to handle it". They don't put much thought in it, don't they? | |||
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get.  Level: 73  Posts: 451/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| I really actually hate it when somebody says that somebody is a "pussy" or whatever for committing suicide. I think it shows how misunderstood this whole thing is. I'm going to try to explain why I don't like the whole "pussy" thing. Here's my own example. Of course, other people's experiences are likely to differ a bit. I'm clinically depressed, and I have my moments where I am suicidal. These moments, for me at least, are usually very sudden, and more often than not triggered by something. Once triggered, it is *very* difficult to regain composure. Has anybody here read George Orwell's 1984? If so, do you remember the Two Minutes Hate? When I am feeling suicidal, it is my own personal Two Minutes Hate (actual time may vary). During my Two Minutes Hate, I am both the object of hate (Emmanuel Goldstein / Eastasia / Eurasia in the book), and I am the hater (The members of the Inner and Outer Party in the book). Just like Winston in the story, I find myself completely drawn into my Two Minutes Hate, and completely (irrationally) filled with feelings of rather frenzied loathing, pretty well against my will. I put myself down. I tell myself I'm a bad person, I deserve bad things to happen; that I deserve to die. I tell myself I'm a burden on others, and that if I died, it would be easier for them. I put myself down in all kinds of ways, internally screaming at myself just as rabidly as the Outer Party members scream at the picture of Goldstein during the Two Minutes Hate. Course, Goldstein in the book doesn't actually get to hear this stuff.. (lucky bastard) he's a picture on a telescreen. But in my own version of the Two Minutes Hate, I DO get to hear all this stuff, and so while part of me is yelling at me and hating me, the other half is crying, and feeling horribly hurt and afraid and pathetic. And from there, the whole thing spirals downwards at an alarmingly fast rate. IT IS A HORRIBLE FEELING. It is out-of-control, sheer irrational lunacy. It is fucking scary when it happens to you. I feel quite literally like I am no longer in control, completely stripped of rationality, filled only with raw, horrible emotion. I don't know if my experiences are anything like those of people who have committed suicide, but I do know that some people I know have thought this way also, and they found it just as scary as I did. I don't think that people who commit suicide are rational. I don't think they are thinking about the impact of things. I don't think they're seeing suicide as an "easy way out". If somebody is considering suicide, there is something very, very wrong, and they're not just being attention whores, pussies or whatever else. They need help, and they need all the support and friendship they can get. My $0.02 |
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Gavin Fuzzy Rhinoceruses don't play games. They fucking charge your ass. Level: 43  Posts: 238/799 EXP: 551711 For next: 13335 Since: 03-15-04 From: IL, USA Since last post: 13 hours Last activity: 13 hours |
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| not to mention that crippling depression is often the result of a simple chemical imbalance in the brain. too few of the seretonin neurotransmitters can leave someone horribly depressed. so sorry if god made them with a chemical imbalance, you're right. they are probably pussies and it's all their fault. |
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Ran-chan Moldorm eek, when are they going to stop growing... Level: 143  Posts: 4221/12781 EXP: 35293588 For next: 538220 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima District, Tokyo - Japan Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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Originally posted by ChibiTaryn Everyone knows that what you said there isn |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 1455/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Chibi, welcome to the world. I'm seriously depressed too. Guess what? I'm also schitzotypical. We all think of suicide. EVERYONE will. Fact of the matter is that if you can't stand up and face life, then you are indeed a weakling. | |||
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Ran-chan Moldorm eek, when are they going to stop growing... Level: 143 Posts: 4227/12781 EXP: 35293588 For next: 538220 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima District, Tokyo - Japan Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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I hate the thought of doing suicide, even when i'm depressed. Becuse i'm highly afraid of death, hell most of my depressions is about "I have wasted 1/5 of my life!". (anyone remember homer going like that once?  ) So you really won't see me doing suicide. (but I understand why other could do it) :/Suicide is wrong, and anyone giving thoughts about doing them should get help. And that i'm for "suicide for clinical reasons" (or rather shorterning the patients painful life) When depressed, I usually ramble down something somewhere. Usually my journal and just be alone for a moment. Or talking with somebody. Helps...  Originally posted by ChibiTarynSecond most common reason why I get depressed. Usually it's enough that I fail a test and my self-esteem plummets like that.  (then I get all happy again when I do a re-test and passes it...) |
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get. Level: 73 Posts: 452/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by Ziffski Cheers for the welcome, I've been depressed two years and counting, but anyways. I was more trying to explain the complete out-of-control lunacy that I experience though, for those who have no idea at all. I have "thought" about suicide before, and "thinking" about suicide in my life has been a fairly benign experience. I think about it, I say "no" and I move on. What I was talking about was not "thinking" about suicide. It was something else entirely. I wonder how many other people go through that... and I wonder if that weird state gets the better of them. I'm pretty sure that there are people who have died that didn't "think" about suicide per se. We're lucky for those that get scared by that kind of thing and go commit themselves, in that way.... it must be really scary knowing that you're not safe from yourself. |
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MathOnNapkins Math n' Hacks Level: 67  Posts: 628/2189 EXP: 2495887 For next: 96985 Since: 03-18-04 From: Base Tourian Since last post: 1 hour Last activity: 32 min. |
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Originally posted by Ziffski I don't know exactly what you mean by that. Why this categorization of people in to weak and strong. If by weak you mean "doesn't want to live" and strong is "I want to live" then fine. I think people are who have the willpower to kill themselves are very strong, though I don't admire them for it. Mainly for the suffering they bring upon others. My mother's twin brother committed suicide with a shot gun in '92 and I'm positive she's not yet over it. I've been depressed before for short periods, maybe a month at most. I can imagine that going on like that nonstop would get to be fairly unbearable. |
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get. Level: 73 Posts: 453/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Might I also note the only time I have these little... "turns" is when I'm not medicated. In fact, it was the first one of these that frightened me enough to go to the doctor and talk about the way I was feeling. I had been on a cliff edge, with my car moments before. My car had been in gear, the handbrake was off, I was facing the ocean, there was nothing between me and the sea, there was nothing stopping me. Part way through driving to the edge, I freaked. I guess I "came to" of sorts, realised what I was doing, realised how fricken close I got, and I FREAKED. I slammed the brakes on (too fast, it stalled my shitty car engine) and I freaked out. Then I reversed, went home, and called the doctor. Later that day, I had a diagnosis of clinical depression, and a prescription for anti-depressants. When I'm medicated, I don't lose the plot like that. I feel down, sure I feel real down. But I don't have the temporary moments of insanity I described. I have to wonder, how many other people out there are undiagnosed, unmedicated, and feeling the kinds of things I felt? Even worse, how many of them don't get freaked out by it? Think it's normal? And because of that, don't get help even from friends, just let it get worse? I think mental illnesses have to play a big part in suicide. And I think that the attitudes that people have towards the mentally ill, and towards suicide itself, do not help. Telling somebody that they're "weak" for feeling a certain way is not the best way to go about things. But that's pretty much what society does to people who are suicidal -- it tells them that they're weak. They're selfish, they're wrong, they're going to hell. Do they really need that, and is perpetuating those ideas the best way to help people who feel that way? |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 1456/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| It is easy to end your own life, I've tried it. Hanging? It is a sinch. You just put up a rope and focus on all that hate. Fortunately, I'm too fat and the rope snapped. So, I still live. There is no courage in suicide. To take a gun and pull a trigger, where is the pain? Now, I'd say someone is strong in suicide if they dug out their own intestines with their hands. But still, to give up on life without purpose, pure weakness. Pft, until you see a FAMILY member hanging in their den rotting, and see your great grandma coughing up blood and wanting to die...Well, you don't know the real jist of suicide. |
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get. Level: 73 Posts: 454/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| That's the scary thing -- it IS easy to end your own life, it IS easy to get yourself into a state where you'll do it. I don't think there's any courage in doing it. I think it's bloody fucking scary -- but that's also after I freaking calm down. In the moment, it's anything but scary, it's like some bizarre evil adrenaline rush.... I just wish there were better ways of preventing people from getting into that state where they'd do something. Instead of calling people who feel that way "weak" and stuff, maybe asking them to talk to you about things might help. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 1458/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Chibi, don't get me wrong, I've talked to lots of friends who almost committed suicide, and got them out of it. The thing is, there is no "safe" way when dealing with irrational people. My mom worked in a psychiatric ward, she is with me on this...There has to be new procedure put into place, but given the general ignorance of the conditions to the public and mainstream medical community, the entire process of doing this will be quite hard. | |||
Apple Kodondo Level: 38 Posts: 430/594 EXP: 350163 For next: 20284 Since: 03-27-04 From: Washington. Since last post: 264 days Last activity: 152 days |
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| I hate when people state how long they have been depressed like its some kind of bragging right. | |||
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get. Level: 73 Posts: 455/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by Apple And I hate when people make snide comments about other people and their depression, as if they know everything. I mentioned the two years cause I thought Ziff's welcome was well.... kinda late  Eh, as for preventing suicide, I'm guessing it's damned near impossible when it gets to the irrational point.... but maybe not putting down people that're like that would help... I mean, if you think about it, going around calling people "weak" for feeling a certain way isn't good. You're not hurting the people who have already committed suicide by doing that -- but you're hurting those that may be feeling depressed and stuff. Rather than calling them weak, there has to be some other way to tackle it. (edited by ChibiTaryn on 10-12-04 12:43 AM) |
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Apple Kodondo Level: 38 Posts: 431/594 EXP: 350163 For next: 20284 Since: 03-27-04 From: Washington. Since last post: 264 days Last activity: 152 days |
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Originally posted by ChibiTarynOriginally posted by Apple You tend to forget, I'm a teenager, we know everything. I lost close friends and family members because of suicide and I was on mediction and "suicide watch" so I know how both side feels. |
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get. Level: 73 Posts: 456/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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You know, in some ways, two years depression *is* a little bit of a bragging right.  I haven't injured myself or anybody else seriously yet...  That's good, right? (Sure, I tried to kill my boyfriend, but... he deserved it ) And I broke some china, but see, that's fun to do when you're angry  |
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Daemon_nick Red Goomba Level: 11  Posts: 24/40 EXP: 5782 For next: 203 Since: 05-29-04 From: The Realm of Eternal Darkness Since last post: 36 days Last activity: 36 days |
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SORRY FOR THE LONG POST JUST PUTTING IN MY 2 CENTS WORTH.  Originally posted by Apple Originally posted by Apple ___________________________________________________________________ "You tend to forget, I'm a teenager, we know everything. " ___________________________________________________________________ no offence Apple, you do NOT!!!!! know everything, and it is not about bragging, it is about how long someone has had a problem that may affect them for the rest of their life. I know because i have had depression for a few years (no not bragging, FACT) people state this so people know just how serious this can become. I personally have thought about suicide so it is not something people like to "BRAG" about. Originally posted by Skiffles -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm not wasting my time reading all these posts, but all I have to say is suicide is for pussies, and you're all pussies, so kill yourselves and stop these stupid posts. kthxbye. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AND AS FOR YOU... YOU THINK THAT THIS FEELING OF DEPRESSION, SADNESS, DESPAIR, SORROW AND SUICIDAL TENDENCIES ARE FUNNY??? THAT THEY SHOULD BE JOKED ABOUT??? IF I EVER GET MY HANDS ON YOU, WITH WHATEVER GOD YOU MIGHT BELIEVE IN AS MY WITNESS, I WILL BITCH SLAP YOU UNTIL YOU CANNOT STAND STRAIGHT. I would like to think that anyone who has suffers or has suffered from depression or suicidal tendencies would support this. And ChibiTaryn I support you, and what you have posted, as I have had times like that myself Originally posted by ChibiTaryn __________________________________________________________________ "When I'm medicated, I don't lose the plot like that. I feel down, sure I feel real down. But I don't have the temporary moments of insanity I described." ____________________________________________________________________ I sometimes found myself scared of the thoughts I had just seconds earlier Originally posted by ChibiTaryn ___________________________________________________________________ "Telling somebody that they're "weak" for feeling a certain way is not the best way to go about things. But that's pretty much what society does to people who are suicidal -- it tells them that they're weak. They're selfish, they're wrong, they're going to hell. Do they really need that, and is perpetuating those ideas the best way to help people who feel that way?" ____________________________________________________________________ i understand this completely, society (in general not everyone) needs a good swift kick in its compassion and understanding centres like i said srry for the long post just getting some stuff off my chest  |
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Valentine Revolution Leever Level: 24  Posts: 169/199 EXP: 68616 For next: 9509 Since: 03-15-04 From: UK Since last post: 103 days Last activity: 59 days |
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*shrugs* I'm perfectly willing to admit that my attempts at suicide were me wanting the attention. I wanted to show that I was in pain, I wanted someone to rescue me. That's also why I cut myself, I wanted them to see that I hurt too. I did go on antidepressants for a while, they were some kind of serotonin blockers. That was really fucking scary, I had moments where I would just zone out, and since I worked with knives a lot, I'm so surprised I didn't lose anything important  I sort of have those moments Taryn was talking about, but they're different in that my mind just shuts down. It'll start with something tiny, like I'll make some stupid mistake at work, and then I'll tell myself I'm not good enough, that I'm their last resort, that if I walked out they'd all my cheering, that I'm a whore and no man or woman in their right mind would ever want to even come near me. While this is going on I just seem to stop, I just stand there untill they shut up and I can get on again. |
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Apple Kodondo Level: 38 Posts: 432/594 EXP: 350163 For next: 20284 Since: 03-27-04 From: Washington. Since last post: 264 days Last activity: 152 days |
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Originally posted by Daemon_nickOriginally posted by Apple No shit, Its called scarcasm. and I'm not going to waste my time replying to the rest of what you wrote. |
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