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Apple Kodondo Level: 38 Posts: 419/594 EXP: 350163 For next: 20284 Since: 03-27-04 From: Washington. Since last post: 264 days Last activity: 152 days |
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| If you commiting suicide isn't a way to avoid an undiginifed death, than I am against it. (edited by Apple on 10-10-04 03:48 AM) |
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Cymoro PATRICK DUFFY WILL LASER YOUR SOUL   Level: 67  Posts: 1358/2216 EXP: 2549743 For next: 43129 Since: 03-15-04 From: Cymoro Gaming Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by hhallahh Then you're a homophobe? If you weren't either, then I'd have to call you a damned liar for not being either. You're obviouly hating someone (or damning them) for their own beliefs and prefrences. Just accept his new life and move on. Unless he's hitting on you. Then sock him one. |
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Ran-chan Moldorm eek, when are they going to stop growing... Level: 143  Posts: 4198/12781 EXP: 35293588 For next: 538220 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima District, Tokyo - Japan Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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| Suicide is a really bad thing to do. It makes other people sad aswell. I don | |||
alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 1444/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by HighSorceressDelial So, it is brave and honourable to be a pussy and not suck up your problems like your girlfriend leaving you, or Johnny Jock Asshole Cockdick making fun of you for wearing a polyester shirt. Or how about you being a non-selfish dickweed and killing yourself because your EQ or D&D character dies. There you go. Trust me, I've dealt with people (my family members actually) committing suicide, and for better reasons than most people at this board who consider suicide have. |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38  Posts: 383/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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Originally posted by CymoroOriginally posted by hhallahh Calling the religious person who anguishes over the plight of gays (notice the lack of the word "hate") a homophobe further distorts the true meaning of that term. Would you accept your friend's new life as a murderer or pedophile? What if you thought homosexuality was pretty much as bad as those things? And how in the hell does a gay person hitting on you give you the right to hit him? Do you have the right to hit a chick who's hitting on you? What if you're gay? Come on. |
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Cymoro PATRICK DUFFY WILL LASER YOUR SOUL Level: 67 Posts: 1362/2216 EXP: 2549743 For next: 43129 Since: 03-15-04 From: Cymoro Gaming Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by hhallahhOriginally posted by CymoroOriginally posted by hhallahh You're just as bad as Jack Chick. You're calling two men having sex at a legal age the same as someone killing another, or pedophilia (Honestly, I saw those examples coming from 2 miles away). While your religeon may say that being gay is wrong, it is not your right to tread on other people's beliefs. Did you know that jews are obliged to kill non-believers? Now tell me how you feel about religeon dictating how society works today. And yes, the testaments of the bible do say shit like that as well. Koran too. Next you're going to say that D&D is for the heathans and non-believing pagans. Try reading The DaVinci Code sometime. It'll shock the hell out of you. Also, try to note the sarcasm I use in every post. It's usually a separate line at the bottom, separate from the main, serious idea. Like how you may be a closet homosexual by trying to say it's bad and that it should be outlawed, and that gay people are going to burn in hell. You're just overcompensating. |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 385/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| Haha. I'm not religious whatsoever. I'm just saying that if I was, would it be wrong for me to feel that way? And how is anything I said "treading on other people's beliefs"? If I were merely to believe (and I guess I should make clear that I don't actually believe this) that homosexuality was as bad as pedophilia, how am I harming anyone else? It's my personal opinion, derived from my religious teachings. I'm just saying that you can't attack me for that opinion unless you either say that my teachings are incorrect or that believing in religion is stupid. You'd be hard-pressed to do either. So I'm just proving a point, which is to say that it's silly to do / not do something because of the "mental anguish" it might cause others, because hypothetically a whole range of actions which you're unwilling to condemn could legitimately cause "mental anguish". But I guess you missed the point. Ah well. |
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Cymoro PATRICK DUFFY WILL LASER YOUR SOUL Level: 67 Posts: 1366/2216 EXP: 2549743 For next: 43129 Since: 03-15-04 From: Cymoro Gaming Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by hhallahh Look out, big text up ahead! HA HA HA I like how you managed to make it sound so much nicer by applying the Politically Correct filter. Remember what I said about Jews being able to kill sinners? Religeous teachings. Unless, of course, it's now today's time, in which point Jews aren't taught to kill sinners, which is part of their religeon. It's just like how today the stoning of sinners isn't taught, it's just not civilized. Also accept that the Christian church hasn't always been as holy as you think it is (such as Mary Magdalene being the wife of Jesus while the church depicts her as a whore). I'm not saying they're wrong, far from that. It's that when you start saying that your own friend is going to hell for being gay, then you really need to think some things over. Also, how do you even know if there is a heaven or hell? Maybe Robin Williams was right when he said that we are all just food for flowers in the end. No one knows. |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 386/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| Are you a complete moron? I'm an atheist. Why are you asking me to defend the teachings of various denominations which I don't believe in? Are you completely unable to distinguish a hypothetical opinion from an actual one? Apparently so. A lesson on the subjunctive tense: If I say something like, "If I were a woman..", that does not actually mean I'm a woman! It means that we're constructing a hypothetical system wherein I would be a woman for some rhetorical purpose! Likewise, if I say something like, "If I were a fundamentalist Christian", that does not actually mean that I'm a fundamentalist Christian, but rather that I'm making a hypothetical argument as if I were! If you want to attack Christians for their selective interpretations of the Bible, find an actual Christian and do so, don't bother me about it. I'm just saying that you can't just dismiss someone's "mental anguish" over the sins of their friends. Sure, you can say that the mental anguish originates for poor reasons, but couldn't such an argument be made against any mental anguish? And as a final note, using large fonts and sarcasm when you're completely off only makes you look stupid. Think before you post, kids. |
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Kasumi-Astra Administrator Level: 62  Posts: 897/1867 EXP: 1971846 For next: 12840 Since: 03-15-04 From: Reading, UK Uni: Sheffield, UK Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 12 hours |
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| I don't think anyone has any right to generalise suicide. It's not always a coward's way out, and if you think that I guaruntee that you'll feel a heck of a lot different when one of your most respected friends succeeds in doing so. There are things that you don't always see happening in people's lives. That psychology is so complex that sometimes you'll never see it coming. Hell, if we understood psychology we wouldn't have such a big problem. |
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random Goomba Level: 10 Posts: 31/32 EXP: 3871 For next: 543 Since: 08-02-04 From: Eastern Deathville Since last post: 387 days Last activity: 276 days |
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Originally posted by hhallahh That's called being a jackass my friend. Your still acting the part, you can't just jump from one hypothetical position to another it fucks your original argument over. Also, you have to consider all variables, nice trick using your lack of knowledge in one position as an excuse. Next time don |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 1449/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Until you have had a family member or a friend who has committed suicide over something relatively minor in the grand scheme of things...Well, you don't know the pain. Now, I've known lots of death in my life, my third cousin committed suicide because he was born during the Korean war. His biological father was his uncle. When his adoptive father died, the truth came out. They found him half rotted hanging in his basement. My friend decided to OD on a whole shit load of pills because him and his "engaged" girlfriend took pills. They were cowards in my opinion. I've THOUGHT of suicide, but never really thought of committing, because if I can't face the adversity of this life, how will I handle an eternity in Hell? My cousin had at least a reason to do so. My friend had nothing to do. He was just being a pussy. There is only one type of suicide that should be considered socially acceptable, assisted suicide. Kevorkian helped elderly and terminally ill end their pain, which I consider quite honourable. |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101  Posts: 2642/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by Ziffski Now some of you may read that and think that it was meant to be humorous. But it really happened. "Kevorkian helped elderly and terminally ill end their pain, which I consider quite honourable." Ah, agreed. I still can't understand why people were so up and arms about the whole thing. God forbid someone puts a stop to an unbearable suffering in someones life. He should be given a medal. And as for the whole gay/sin thing? The only thing I'll say about that is that people should spend more time worrying about themselves. In the end, that's all you're responsible for. |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 387/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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Originally posted by random |
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Kasumi-Astra Administrator Level: 62 Posts: 898/1867 EXP: 1971846 For next: 12840 Since: 03-15-04 From: Reading, UK Uni: Sheffield, UK Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 12 hours |
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Everquest does strange things to people  For me, it was one of my old best friends. He was 17 before he died, and he was unable to leave the house without being bullied. He was picked on by the same people every time, who zeroed in on him every time. He was found hanged at the back of his back garden. For me it was pretty awful. He wasn't found for a while, because his back garden is huge. When we were kids we played for hours, because it had rope swings and a railway line at the bottom. It almost destroyed a childhood memory. |
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random Goomba Level: 10 Posts: 32/32 EXP: 3871 For next: 543 Since: 08-02-04 From: Eastern Deathville Since last post: 387 days Last activity: 276 days |
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Originally posted by hhallahhOriginally posted by random |
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Ramadan Roy Like Like ...Or you'll be wearing your ass for a hat. Renowned Otaku Level: 44 Posts: 423/816 EXP: 569705 For next: 41580 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 13 hours Last activity: 7 hours |
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| I can see why somebody would want to commit suicide. It's because of those feelings of lonliness and not being cared that overcome the feelings of joy. Thus, the victim does not see any reason for their life to continue if these painful emotions continue to overwhelm them. However, I feel that no matter what, one can always change his/her life. It can be difficult, of course, all of our lives are, but you must carry on knowing that somebody cares about you or if you have nobody else, that you should cherish your life and hang on to that hope that there WILL be a better day. I know that people all have different beliefs(I myself being a strong Muslim) but I know that these words I have said can reflect upon any individual of any faith. My bottom line is that people should NOT commit suicide due to not wanting to live any longer because there IS ALWAYS A REASON. | |||
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Mel (USER WAS TOTALLY AWESOME FOR THIS POST) Level: 47  Posts: 526/991 EXP: 762490 For next: 3713 Since: 03-15-04 From: secure tripcodes are for jerks Since last post: 17 min. Last activity: 16 min. |
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| All I'll say is, if you're going to go out, go out with a bang. Don't shoot yourself or cut your wrist, that's the pussy way to go out. Start a shootout with the police. Drive a semi off a bridge. Use explosives in a creative manner. If I ever kill myself, by God, I want people to REMEMBER it. | |||
Setzer Popo Level: 36  Posts: 82/532 EXP: 290182 For next: 17928 Since: 04-22-04 From: Not Florida. because I'm going to sink it. Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 48 min. |
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| I'm not wasting my time reading all these posts, but all I have to say is suicide is for pussies, and you're all pussies, so kill yourselves and stop these stupid posts. kthxbye. | |||
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 390/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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Originally posted by Skiffles Haha. You win the "MOST H4RDC0RE PERSON ON THE INTERNET" award. Congratulations! Originally posted by random Not sure exactly what you mean. I was just asking whether my mental anguish over a gay friend was acceptable or not... I never intended to defend this belief, and no one should have expected me to. Furthermore, assuming that I'm a fundamentalist Christian or whatever because of that question and attacking that is completely uncalled for... I could just as easily be a fundamentalist Muslim.  I was merely asking a question, and I realize that I got a perfectly plausible answer.. "some sources of mental anguish are more legitimate than others". This in no way obliges me to defend the "illegitimate" sources of mental anguish.. because I'm not trying to argue that there's no such thing. I would've just asked how you can fairly discriminate between legitimate and illegitimate sources of mental anguish. If it's not okay to suffer mentally because your friend is gay, why is it okay to suffer mentally because your friend killed himself? I mean, maybe it sucks for you that you don't have a friend, but there's no real to need to be psychologically harmed by that, right? So why is your grieving "legitimate" in this instance but not in others? |
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