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Posted on 10-10-04 01:57 AM Link | Quote
Who are we to decide what is torment? Who are we to decide what the difference between emotional and physical tormant is? Some people are in the stance of "If the person is suffering physically, he should be allowed to die.", but what about emotional pain? Appearantly it's ok to kill yourself when you're in a physical torment, but if you kill yourself when you're in an emotional nightmare, then it's suddenly a bad thing. I really see no difference. Pain is pain. If death is an acceptable escape from one type of pain, then death should also be an acceptable escape from another type of pain.
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Posted on 10-10-04 02:06 AM Link | Quote
Suicide isn't right in any cirrcumstance.
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Posted on 10-10-04 02:15 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by FreeDOS
Suicide isn't right in any cirrcumstance.


Why not? It's your life.
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Posted on 10-10-04 03:29 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Nebetsu
Originally posted by FreeDOS
Suicide isn't right in any cirrcumstance.


Why not? It's your life.


Too freaking bad. You would be causing mental anguish to your family who actually does love you a bit, not to mention your friends. i reecently have had a friend commit suicide, and it's quite a shock to me.

Edit: Unless you're a vegetable in a hospital room, or you're going to die from some uncurable disease. Then off you go.


(edited by Cymoro on 10-09-04 06:29 PM)
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Posted on 10-10-04 03:36 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Cymoro

Too freaking bad. You would be causing mental anguish to your family who actually does love you a bit, not to mention your friends. i reecently have had a friend commit suicide, and it's quite a shock to me.


Indeed. That's what I thought about before on the subject of suicide. You might not care, but someone else might.
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Posted on 10-10-04 03:44 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Cymoro


Edit: Unless you're a vegetable in a hospital room, or you're going to die from some uncurable disease. Then off you go.

Agreed. Vegetable status suck.
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Posted on 10-10-04 04:11 AM Link | Quote
It's your life, your body. You should be allowed to do whatever the hell you want to them.
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Posted on 10-10-04 04:14 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Cymoro
Originally posted by Nebetsu
Originally posted by FreeDOS
Suicide isn't right in any cirrcumstance.


Why not? It's your life.


Too freaking bad. You would be causing mental anguish to your family who actually does love you a bit, not to mention your friends. i reecently have had a friend commit suicide, and it's quite a shock to me.

Edit: Unless you're a vegetable in a hospital room, or you're going to die from some uncurable disease. Then off you go.


About the vegetable/uncurable disease thing: Again - who are we as humans to deside that there is a difference between emotional and phyisical pain?
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Posted on 10-10-04 04:41 AM Link | Quote
Too freaking bad. You would be causing mental anguish to your family who actually does love you a bit, not to mention your friends. i reecently have had a friend commit suicide, and it's quite a shock to me.

So if you were gay, and coming out of the closet would cause your friends/family mental anguish, would this oblige you to hide this fact from them? Or if you decided you didn't like their choice religion, or political canidate, or whatever?

Anyways, it's your body, yes..

But you're still generally an idiot for doing it. I mean, if suicide is an acceptable course of action, what kind of actions aren't acceptable? If your siblings upset you one day, would it be a perfectly rational thing to kill them? If you lose at your favorite video game, should you smash the T.V. with a baseball bat? What if you really feel like doing those things?

It's hard to draw a line between the fulfillment of desires and the fulfillment of rational desires, but the second catagory is generally created so that courses of action which are obviously harmful to one's long-term interests can be condemned. It's a somewhat fuzzy distinction, but it's better than no distinction at all.
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Posted on 10-10-04 04:42 AM Link | Quote
I don't agree at all with suicide as a means of ending one's life. I *can*, however, understand the arguments made in favor of assisted suicide for someone who is suffering.

I'm not sure which side I'm on, but I can understand why one would want to say goodbye to their family/loved ones while they're still in a sound state of mind.
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Posted on 10-10-04 05:03 AM Link | Quote
The only way I would approve of suicide would be if someone was in great suffering that there was no hope of fixing. I'm talking diseases and other health issues. (Or comatose for that matter but that's not really suicide. But it's along those lines.)

Your childish relationship ending is NOT suffering no matter how much you think it is. That's just life. It's pretty pathetic how someone would want to end their entire life span over something they would eventually get over in not too long a time. Good god.
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Posted on 10-10-04 05:45 AM Link | Quote
We only have one life no matter what happens during it. We should cherish it; take the good with the bad. No one said life had to be absoultly perfect. Suicide is one way of death but that's only towards someone who has no idea that just maybe others care about him or her. Last year/early this year, someone I knew from middle school and during high school has commited suicide. At first I didn't know who he was until I thought of his nick name back in middle school. Then that dawned on me who he was and made me wonder why he did that to himself. It was his last year of high school as well.
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Posted on 10-10-04 07:51 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by hhallahh
So if you were gay, and coming out of the closet would cause your friends/family mental anguish, would this oblige you to hide this fact from them? Or if you decided you didn't like their choice religion, or political canidate, or whatever?


If your friends or family get mental anguish from that, then they are just stupid.
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Posted on 10-10-04 08:03 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Kwan
Originally posted by hhallahh
So if you were gay, and coming out of the closet would cause your friends/family mental anguish, would this oblige you to hide this fact from them? Or if you decided you didn't like their choice religion, or political canidate, or whatever?


If your friends or family get mental anguish from that, then they are just stupid.


Oh, so I'd be stupid to anguish over the fact that my friend decided to join the ranks of the hellbound? You think it's okay to pass judgements like that?
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Posted on 10-10-04 08:18 AM Link | Quote
1. If you're being a pussy, don't do it. You're going to Hell.

2. If you're an old person who is suffering, causing people who view you unimaginable pain, I see little problem with it.
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Posted on 10-10-04 09:26 AM Link | Quote
Suicide is a PERMANENT solution to a TEMPORARY problem

If you are suffering emotionally, it is TEMPORARY. I don't care if its long-term temporary, it's still not forever.

I'm a diagnosed depressive, I've been depressed for 2 years, but I know that this is a TEMPORARY complaint and that Suicide would PERMANENTLY solve it and deny me any chance to have any happiness at all ever.
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Posted on 10-10-04 09:33 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by hhallahh
Originally posted by Kwan
Originally posted by hhallahh
So if you were gay, and coming out of the closet would cause your friends/family mental anguish, would this oblige you to hide this fact from them? Or if you decided you didn't like their choice religion, or political canidate, or whatever?


If your friends or family get mental anguish from that, then they are just stupid.


Oh, so I'd be stupid to anguish over the fact that my friend decided to join the ranks of the hellbound? You think it's okay to pass judgements like that?


Let's get this straight.

1) You said your friend is gay.

2) You said he is going to hell for that.

Oh yeah, you're not a religeous zealot/homophobe.
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Posted on 10-10-04 09:51 AM Link | Quote
And so the assumption is that anyone who's a "religious zealot", defined as someone who anguishes over the hellbound statuses of their friends, is stupid? Gee, that's not narrow-minded.
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Posted on 10-10-04 10:25 AM Link | Quote
My family has gotten over the fact that I'm fairly orthodox in my Catholic beliefs, even though the majority of my family is of Protestant sympathies. They have gotten over the fact that I am a socialist, even though most of them are quite conservative. They've more or less gotten used to these things.

Last I checked, the mental anguish of such things is quite temporary. Suicide on the other hand, oi vey, that is a biggy.+
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Posted on 10-10-04 12:01 PM Link | Quote
Some people say suicide is selfish. I say the people who want you to live out the rest of your life suffering because THEY want you to be there, and THEY don't want to be in pain is selfish.

Others say it's cowardly. I think it takes more guts to hold a gun in their mouth and pull the trigger. Our bodies and minds are built to try and survive. It takes everything a person has to ignore that and end their life.

In other cultures it's even accepted and honorable.

~Delial
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