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Nebetsu Shmee Level: 55 Posts: 336/1574 EXP: 1291130 For next: 23059 Since: 09-01-04 From: Nebland Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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Who are we to decide what is torment? Who are we to decide what the difference between emotional and physical tormant is? Some people are in the stance of "If the person is suffering physically, he should be allowed to die.", but what about emotional pain? Appearantly it's ok to kill yourself when you're in a physical torment, but if you kill yourself when you're in an emotional nightmare, then it's suddenly a bad thing. I really see no difference. Pain is pain. If death is an acceptable escape from one type of pain, then death should also be an acceptable escape from another type of pain. | |||
FreeDOS Lava Lotus Wannabe-Mod :< Level: 59 Posts: 762/1657 EXP: 1648646 For next: 24482 Since: 03-15-04 From: Seattle Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Suicide isn't right in any cirrcumstance. | |||
Nebetsu Shmee Level: 55 Posts: 337/1574 EXP: 1291130 For next: 23059 Since: 09-01-04 From: Nebland Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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Originally posted by FreeDOS Why not? It's your life. |
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Cymoro PATRICK DUFFY WILL LASER YOUR SOUL Level: 67 Posts: 1353/2216 EXP: 2549743 For next: 43129 Since: 03-15-04 From: Cymoro Gaming Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by NebetsuOriginally posted by FreeDOS Too freaking bad. You would be causing mental anguish to your family who actually does love you a bit, not to mention your friends. i reecently have had a friend commit suicide, and it's quite a shock to me. Edit: Unless you're a vegetable in a hospital room, or you're going to die from some uncurable disease. Then off you go. (edited by Cymoro on 10-09-04 06:29 PM) |
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Kwan Doesn't have a valid sized userpic. ||bass will be pissed :(((((((( Level: 50 Posts: 842/1137 EXP: 937111 For next: 10206 Since: 03-15-04 From: Durkadurkastan! Since last post: 22 days Last activity: 2 days |
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Originally posted by Cymoro Indeed. That's what I thought about before on the subject of suicide. You might not care, but someone else might. |
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Jizuko Jiz Is The Magic! This board has run out of mana and can no longer use The Magic Level: 51 Posts: 712/1191 EXP: 1004683 For next: 9255 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 230 days Last activity: 213 days |
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Originally posted by Cymoro Agreed. Vegetable status suck. |
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knuck Hinox Banned until 19-58-5815: trolling, flaming, spamming, being a general fucktard... Level: 62 Posts: 780/1818 EXP: 1894574 For next: 90112 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 9 hours |
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It's your life, your body. You should be allowed to do whatever the hell you want to them. | |||
Nebetsu Shmee Level: 55 Posts: 339/1574 EXP: 1291130 For next: 23059 Since: 09-01-04 From: Nebland Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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Originally posted by CymoroOriginally posted by NebetsuOriginally posted by FreeDOS About the vegetable/uncurable disease thing: Again - who are we as humans to deside that there is a difference between emotional and phyisical pain? |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 378/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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Too freaking bad. You would be causing mental anguish to your family who actually does love you a bit, not to mention your friends. i reecently have had a friend commit suicide, and it's quite a shock to me. So if you were gay, and coming out of the closet would cause your friends/family mental anguish, would this oblige you to hide this fact from them? Or if you decided you didn't like their choice religion, or political canidate, or whatever? Anyways, it's your body, yes.. But you're still generally an idiot for doing it. I mean, if suicide is an acceptable course of action, what kind of actions aren't acceptable? If your siblings upset you one day, would it be a perfectly rational thing to kill them? If you lose at your favorite video game, should you smash the T.V. with a baseball bat? What if you really feel like doing those things? It's hard to draw a line between the fulfillment of desires and the fulfillment of rational desires, but the second catagory is generally created so that courses of action which are obviously harmful to one's long-term interests can be condemned. It's a somewhat fuzzy distinction, but it's better than no distinction at all. |
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 4506/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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I don't agree at all with suicide as a means of ending one's life. I *can*, however, understand the arguments made in favor of assisted suicide for someone who is suffering. I'm not sure which side I'm on, but I can understand why one would want to say goodbye to their family/loved ones while they're still in a sound state of mind. |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 2639/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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The only way I would approve of suicide would be if someone was in great suffering that there was no hope of fixing. I'm talking diseases and other health issues. (Or comatose for that matter but that's not really suicide. But it's along those lines.) Your childish relationship ending is NOT suffering no matter how much you think it is. That's just life. It's pretty pathetic how someone would want to end their entire life span over something they would eventually get over in not too long a time. Good god. |
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Dark Vampriel Lynel "Life is just a dream on the way to death." Level: 57 Posts: 421/1658 EXP: 1400355 For next: 85573 Since: 08-29-04 From: Somewhere..... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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We only have one life no matter what happens during it. We should cherish it; take the good with the bad. No one said life had to be absoultly perfect. Suicide is one way of death but that's only towards someone who has no idea that just maybe others care about him or her. Last year/early this year, someone I knew from middle school and during high school has commited suicide. At first I didn't know who he was until I thought of his nick name back in middle school. Then that dawned on me who he was and made me wonder why he did that to himself. It was his last year of high school as well. | |||
Kwan Doesn't have a valid sized userpic. ||bass will be pissed :(((((((( Level: 50 Posts: 844/1137 EXP: 937111 For next: 10206 Since: 03-15-04 From: Durkadurkastan! Since last post: 22 days Last activity: 2 days |
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Originally posted by hhallahh If your friends or family get mental anguish from that, then they are just stupid. |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 381/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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Originally posted by KwanOriginally posted by hhallahh Oh, so I'd be stupid to anguish over the fact that my friend decided to join the ranks of the hellbound? You think it's okay to pass judgements like that? |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 1440/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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1. If you're being a pussy, don't do it. You're going to Hell. 2. If you're an old person who is suffering, causing people who view you unimaginable pain, I see little problem with it. |
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get. Level: 73 Posts: 438/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Suicide is a PERMANENT solution to a TEMPORARY problem If you are suffering emotionally, it is TEMPORARY. I don't care if its long-term temporary, it's still not forever. I'm a diagnosed depressive, I've been depressed for 2 years, but I know that this is a TEMPORARY complaint and that Suicide would PERMANENTLY solve it and deny me any chance to have any happiness at all ever. |
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Cymoro PATRICK DUFFY WILL LASER YOUR SOUL Level: 67 Posts: 1357/2216 EXP: 2549743 For next: 43129 Since: 03-15-04 From: Cymoro Gaming Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by hhallahhOriginally posted by KwanOriginally posted by hhallahh Let's get this straight. 1) You said your friend is gay. 2) You said he is going to hell for that. Oh yeah, you're not a religeous zealot/homophobe. |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 382/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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And so the assumption is that anyone who's a "religious zealot", defined as someone who anguishes over the hellbound statuses of their friends, is stupid? Gee, that's not narrow-minded. | |||
alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 1441/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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My family has gotten over the fact that I'm fairly orthodox in my Catholic beliefs, even though the majority of my family is of Protestant sympathies. They have gotten over the fact that I am a socialist, even though most of them are quite conservative. They've more or less gotten used to these things. Last I checked, the mental anguish of such things is quite temporary. Suicide on the other hand, oi vey, that is a biggy.+ |
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HighSorceressDelial Buzzy Beetle DDR FREAK Slayer of Beasts Savior of Worlds Eater of Napkins Level: 31 Posts: 284/380 EXP: 181041 For next: 4322 Since: 03-15-04 From: Shimmering Waters Of Avden Since last post: 9 days Last activity: 2 days |
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Some people say suicide is selfish. I say the people who want you to live out the rest of your life suffering because THEY want you to be there, and THEY don't want to be in pain is selfish. Others say it's cowardly. I think it takes more guts to hold a gun in their mouth and pull the trigger. Our bodies and minds are built to try and survive. It takes everything a person has to ignore that and end their life. In other cultures it's even accepted and honorable. ~Delial |
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