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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 5452/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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LocalH: Add to that the fact that I can download an emulator and a PD rom and just have fun. Well, about as much fun as I can have with most PD roms.  Unless an emulator deliberately lifts code from something else, it's legal. |
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Xkeeper The required libraries have not been defined. Level: NAN  Posts: -2982/-863 EXP: NAN For next: 0 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: -753366 sec. |
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| On pressure sensitivity: I've poked the DS a few times with a stylus, it doesn't -seem- to be as far as I can tell. On emulation, I only emulate the older systems (Genesis/SNES/GBC and before) namely because I have a hard time finding them in stores (or I lost the console, as I did with my Genesis XD) Hell, most of the games on this computer I've downloaded/"stolen" are ones I own (I even have an NES), I believe the few I don't own are Mario is Missing and mabye one or two others. If I saw a NES game, I'd likely fork out the 10$ if I had the cash over downloading it, especially if it was close. Hell, I picked up a SNES and a few games (Tetris Attack, Starfox, and a few others) simply becuase playing them on the real deal is much better than on a computer. There's just not much real reason in my eyes to go as far as emulating a new system and the games; that's just being excessive, to me... |
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AWJ Newcomer Level: 3 Posts: 1/3 EXP: 94 For next: 34 Since: 12-03-04 Since last post: 308 days Last activity: 307 days |
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It's wrong because it's piracy. Retro emulation is part of the same family as next gen emulation. The same people that go out and download NES roms are out making DS emulators and reverse-enginerring the PS2 and putting Linux on X-Box. The whole subculture is people looking to ripoff game companies for whatever reason. Disch, who exactly is being ripped off by people "putting Linux on the X-Box"? It sounds like you've absorbed some pretty strange, almost Galambosian views on intellectual property. |
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Dish Spiny Level: 38 Posts: 212/596 EXP: 355646 For next: 14801 Since: 03-15-04 From: Disch Since last post: 18 days Last activity: 18 days |
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The point I was getting at is that retro emulation and 'next-gen' emulation aren't as seperated as some people like to think they are. It's all the same community of people, all involved in the same things. Whether it be figuring out how to bypass system security measures, figuring out how a system works (so emu development is possible), or doing the actual development of an emu. Perhaps Linux on XBox was a bad example, but I'm sure the people involved with that are no stranger to emulation. The whole deal with emulation not only revolves around.... but completely relies on pirating copyrighted material. If all you could play on emus was legit games, nobody would use them... they'd be pointless. |
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windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61  Posts: 562/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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| I can't believe we're having this conversation. People emulate things to play games for free. That's the oooonnnlllyyy reason. Ethics is another matter ^.^ |
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 5476/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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That would be 99.99995% of people, windwaker.  There ARE people who use emulators to program and debug original games, and that's perfectly fine.But I can't think of many people who emulate and are ethical while doing so...  |
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LocalH Red Goomba Level: 12  Posts: 24/46 EXP: 7612 For next: 309 Since: 03-17-04 Since last post: 25 days Last activity: 4 days |
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| The fact still remains that emulation itself is not unethical. Besides, what about the few people who only have ROMs for carts they own? Regardless of the method of acquiring the ROM images, I'd imagine that would legally hold up in a court of law, should the need arise. Especially with the recent DMCA exemption of obsolete videogames. Emulation is not unethical. Copyright infringement is, when you can buy the same game in a current, off-the-shelf, new form. Which is why, for example, I'd consider it ethical to be in the US and download Super Mario Bros. Special for the PC-88, due to the immense difficulty in finding a legitimate original copy (not to mention the system to run it on). There is also the argument of media preservation, especially dealing with obsolete media. This applies to a much wider range of media than just video games as well. It's an undisputed fact that, should a ROM/disk image be spread across the internet, that it's span of existence will be expanded GREATLY, at least by a couple of orders of magnitude I would imagine. The more rare a game is, the more ethical it is to preserve it by distributing it, albeit illegally. Especially prototypes. (edited by LocalH on 12-11-04 12:01 AM) |
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||bass Programmer Admin Level: 44  Posts: 142/817 EXP: 570813 For next: 40472 Since: 03-15-04 From: Salem, Connecticut Since last post: 26 days Last activity: 11 days |
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| Americans may soon have a reason to rejoice. The Librarian of Congress is currently asking congress to pass a law permitting the duplication of software made for hardware that is no longer in production. The point of this request would be to allow the Library of Congress staff to begin archiving this information before it is lost totally. This would effectively legalize many roms, as the origional systems/cartrages are no longer being made. (For those who don't know, The Library of Congress is the largest physical informational archive in the world, the goal of which is to attempt to archive everything and anything that can be archived.) |
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 6580/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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| Oh yeah, I heard about that. They also try to convert information from the older formats to the newer ones. Before we forgot how we can read the data from the old tapes/diskettes/whatever and before they detoriate too much. (been already too much data lost this way...) But this also open up for legal Video game clones too, at least in US. So this would be a good loophole.  |
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Xeolord - B l u e s - Power Metal > All Level: 81  Posts: 773/3418 EXP: 4884196 For next: 108653 Since: 03-15-04 From: Yeah Since last post: 15 hours Last activity: 15 hours |
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| Emulation also comes in handy when you wish to play a game, that hasn't even released to your nation. Seiken Densetsu 3? How would I enjoy such a game when I can't even understand it? Hopefully that act goes into place, although I'll agree with XKeeper I'd rather buy the game, but that's only if I can truly find it. (For the record I forked out 40$ for Megaman X2, and Final Fantasy III  ) So I think it would be a good thing considering older games these days are just becoming harder and harder to find.Systems get overused and played too much also. (Probably being me ...) both of the NES's that I have owned have eventually completely died and now don't work, so now my stack of NES games would almost be pretty much useless, but I could still play these games on the computer. (legally actually, so I just pointed out something pointless ><) (edited by Xeogred on 12-11-04 12:45 PM) (edited by Xeogred on 12-11-04 12:46 PM) |
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 5499/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| ...I could just see the bandwidth chaos that would result from certain roms being available without penalty. I think the only way they could prove someone didn't back up a ROM was if they had revision 0 backed up and revision 1 in cart form. Aside from that... |
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Kario In Possession of a Stolen Shovel Level: 65 Posts: 900/2082 EXP: 2321379 For next: 14249 Since: 03-15-04 From: Texas... Yeehaw! Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 17 hours |
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| My two cents: Its OK with old stuff, but the new stuff, especially DS, its stupid. I download games because I cant buy them anywhere. They arent being made anymore. Why download something that is at a shelf at Wal*Mart? |
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Black Lord Level: 34 Posts: 116/453 EXP: 235639 For next: 18012 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nebraska, what's a Nebraska Since last post: 8 days Last activity: 1 day |
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Originally posted by Kario cause your a pirate... argh.. Na, only roms I have are all SNES date and back... I've downloaded a few GBA ones, but they don't exist anymore on my hd... |
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 6622/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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Originally posted by KarioTo hack it maybe? People also ROM hack the newer games. It's a grey area, but I only hack the games I have myself. Still, I tend to hack the US version and not the European one I own... |
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alitnil Snifit Level: 27 Posts: 198/290 EXP: 107568 For next: 8591 Since: 07-16-04 From: Phoenix, AZ Since last post: 56 days Last activity: 44 days |
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| I haven't tryed a DS yet, but it seems to me that the DS emu's touch screen/mouse function would be awkward during gameplay. then again perhaps not  |
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LocalH Red Goomba Level: 12 Posts: 26/46 EXP: 7612 For next: 309 Since: 03-17-04 Since last post: 25 days Last activity: 4 days |
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| If you legally buy a game, then I feel you have the legal right to a ROM. Where you get the ROM is inconsequential. | |||
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 5587/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| I think so too - the "law" says that the backup has to be from a cartridge/form of media that you OWN, but it's not like everyone has the capabilities to make backups of their old SNES games. | |||
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 5780/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| *bumps* The all-important first step has been taken. Metroid Prime Hunters: First Hunt has been acknowledged as DS rom #1. So now any budding authors have something to play with...  |
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windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61 Posts: 790/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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| Uh, Sonic DS was leaked -before- the DS was even released, although the ROM was headerless and in raw form, so it wouldn't really be possible to run it :\. | |||
macks Level: 45 Posts: 518/900 EXP: 659955 For next: 209 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 22 hours |
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| From what I heard the Sonic DS rom is not real. And even if it is, there would be no way to prove that it is So yeah, First Hunt is the first official release. |
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