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Jesper Busy, busy, busy. Level: 69  Posts: 478/2390 EXP: 2856000 For next: 13743 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden. Since last post: 176 days Last activity: 79 days |
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neotransotaku Baby Mario 戻れたら、 誰も気が付く Level: 87 Posts: 935/4016 EXP: 6220548 For next: 172226 Since: 03-15-04 From: Outside of Time/Space Since last post: 11 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| i wonder how good this version is compared to the professional grade version of the software. I guess someone will have to download this and see... any VB programmers out there? if not VB, how about C++ since there is C++ express as well... well...the compiler was free, not the IDE...so I guess it is about time microsoft released a free IDE... (edited by neotransotaku on 06-29-04 02:28 PM) |
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RavenX Red Paragoomba Level: 13 Posts: 36/57 EXP: 9533 For next: 734 Since: 06-29-04 From: Rhode Island Since last post: 486 days Last activity: 339 days |
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| I'm downloading it now, so i'll tell you all how it is ^^ | |||
Darth Coby Vire Dacht je nou echt dat het over was? Dacht je nou echt dat ik gebroken was? Nee toch? Nou kijk eens goed op uit je ogen gast. zonder clic heb je geen kloten tjap... bitch Level: 55  Posts: 679/1371 EXP: 1240774 For next: 73415 Since: 03-15-04 From: Belgium Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 9 hours |
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| So, can you compile your source with this or is it just for testing? I remember there being a VB 5 or something in wich you couldn't make EXEs, just run your source code. | |||
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Jesper Busy, busy, busy. Level: 69 Posts: 509/2390 EXP: 2856000 For next: 13743 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden. Since last post: 176 days Last activity: 79 days |
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| The VB 5 was a trial. This is a beta. Fully featured. (What's in here will also be in the finished product) Some things should be noted: This uses Visual Basic.NET and not Visual Basic, which means your programs will have to be partially rewritten. There's a migration wizard to try to translate your code, but it's not likely to work with your custom API calls. I don't know. This won't be free when it's done, but it will be cheap. I'm guessing between the price of a video game and Microsoft Word. As with other .NET languages, people using your app will need to have the .NET Framework installed, but since this is a beta of .NET Framework 2.0 too, they'll need .NET Framework 2.0. |
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Darth Coby Vire Dacht je nou echt dat het over was? Dacht je nou echt dat ik gebroken was? Nee toch? Nou kijk eens goed op uit je ogen gast. zonder clic heb je geen kloten tjap... bitch Level: 55 Posts: 684/1371 EXP: 1240774 For next: 73415 Since: 03-15-04 From: Belgium Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 9 hours |
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Originally posted by Jesper Oh, I won't use it then. *Coby sticks with VB6.0 |
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Dylan Devil Trumpets and Angel Trombones ~ Level: 54  Posts: 124/1407 EXP: 1181697 For next: 52173 Since: 06-19-04 From: Ottawa, Canada. Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 6 hours |
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Originally posted by Jesper I thought you could integrate your .NET with regular VB and C++ without having it partially modified  . O well, I don't know anything about C-based languages anyway. |
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NightHawk Bob-Omb Level: 39  Posts: 249/621 EXP: 374743 For next: 30028 Since: 03-26-04 From: Switzerland Since last post: 432 days Last activity: 339 days |
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| I've downloaded the Visual C++ Express beta, and I'm going to check that out. If it works well enough, I'll postpone buying an updated compiler until this one's out. |
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neotransotaku Baby Mario 戻れたら、 誰も気が付く Level: 87 Posts: 970/4016 EXP: 6220548 For next: 172226 Since: 03-15-04 From: Outside of Time/Space Since last post: 11 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| just to be correct, you'll postpone buying an updated IDE instead of a compiler, right? because the .NET compiler is free but the IDE isn't... | |||
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NightHawk Bob-Omb Level: 39 Posts: 257/621 EXP: 374743 For next: 30028 Since: 03-26-04 From: Switzerland Since last post: 432 days Last activity: 339 days |
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Originally posted by neotransotakuWell, I hate working without an IDE these days for anything but very small and simple projects*, so yeah, I'd basically be buying it for the IDE, lol. *: I can't remember the last time I worked on a small OR simple project, let alone one that was both small AND simple.  |
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Parasyte Bullet Bill Level: 35  Posts: 108/514 EXP: 267348 For next: 12588 Since: 05-25-04 Since last post: 104 days Last activity: 32 days |
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| IDE's are pretty much useless. Think of it this way; would you rather have a compiler with no IDE, or an IDE with no compiler? The obvious choice is the former. Therefore IDEs are not worth spending ANY money on. | |||
dan Snap Dragon Level: 43  Posts: 95/782 EXP: 534516 For next: 30530 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 20 hours Last activity: 14 hours |
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Originally posted by Gb boyOriginally posted by Jesper Visual Basic .NET is like a new language with Java leanings, compared to the original VB that is. There's a migration wizard, but you'd be better off rewriting your code to use the .net framework proper, not the compatibility classes that are used when the migration wizard does its work. |
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neotransotaku Baby Mario 戻れたら、 誰も気が付く Level: 87 Posts: 978/4016 EXP: 6220548 For next: 172226 Since: 03-15-04 From: Outside of Time/Space Since last post: 11 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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Originally posted by Parasyte Since when does a professional IDE come without an compiler? I think only the free ones are like that  Anyways, Visual Basic .NET is stuck being .NET but C# nor C++ is restricted to .NET however. But making windows applications with C# would require third party GUI libraries... |
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NightHawk Bob-Omb Level: 39 Posts: 271/621 EXP: 374743 For next: 30028 Since: 03-26-04 From: Switzerland Since last post: 432 days Last activity: 339 days |
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Originally posted by ParasyteSo, by that logic, "make" is also useless. And by the way, professional-grade IDEs come with tools and utilities that make my job as a programmer much easier. For example, dialog editors, icon editors, string table generators, etc., etc. Not having to write a .rc file myself is a HUGE benefit that saves me a lot of time, and that means I can get the interface done quicker, and then concentrate on coding. |
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Parasyte Bullet Bill Level: 35 Posts: 110/514 EXP: 267348 For next: 12588 Since: 05-25-04 Since last post: 104 days Last activity: 32 days |
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| No, by that logic, a compiler is far more important than an IDE. You're comparing apples and oranges, eh? Also, MAKE has many uses. It's sole purpose is not to integrate with a compiler. (edited by Parasyte on 07-09-04 11:27 AM) (edited by Parasyte on 07-09-04 11:28 AM) |
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NightHawk Bob-Omb Level: 39 Posts: 275/621 EXP: 374743 For next: 30028 Since: 03-26-04 From: Switzerland Since last post: 432 days Last activity: 339 days |
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Originally posted by ParasyteNo, you specifically said an IDE is "pretty much useless". That's far different from being less important. That's true for several IDEs I've used as well. EDIT: I don't really want to get into an argument about this, and it's getting off-topic for this thread, so why don't we just agree to disagree about IDEs and such? (edited by NightHawk on 07-09-04 02:00 PM) |
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Parasyte Bullet Bill Level: 35 Posts: 111/514 EXP: 267348 For next: 12588 Since: 05-25-04 Since last post: 104 days Last activity: 32 days |
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| I was refering to tha fact that IDEa are "pretty much useless" for compiling anything. Hence the whole thing about why a compiler is more important, in the first place. | |||
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Jesper Busy, busy, busy. Level: 69 Posts: 537/2390 EXP: 2856000 For next: 13743 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden. Since last post: 176 days Last activity: 79 days |
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| The compiler is already free (as in beer), so there's no discussion. Noone ever brought up or debated that the IDE was more important than the compiler. The compiler is an absolute requirement for coding unless you want to write that CLI code yourself. If you want to discuss IDEs, you're off to a wrong start by firing at the wrong target. Any IDE - any useful one - builds on top of the compiler; the opposite would not function, so thus they are orders of magnitude apart. Comparing them does not make sense nor make a good argument for what you're arguing, so stop it. The IDE is a nice extra second step (the first step being the compiler). With the IDE lots more people will be taking their first steps in programming where they wouldn't otherwise. I started out with VB 4.0, and that worked out pretty well.  |
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Drag Flurry  I don't post anymore! o_O Level: 26  Posts: 172/254 EXP: 98946 For next: 3329 Since: 03-15-04 From: Deogon Vally, Dragon Country Since last post: 316 days Last activity: 44 days |
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| I have a retail version of VB5-Learner's Edition, and I can compile my EXEs with it. If you need proof, go to zophar and download my editors, Hat Trick, and Carrot. Now, excuse my ignorance, but what is .NET, and what does it do to make VB.NET different from VB? |
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Parasyte Bullet Bill Level: 35 Posts: 112/514 EXP: 267348 For next: 12588 Since: 05-25-04 Since last post: 104 days Last activity: 32 days |
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What I am saying goes right alongside what you are saying Jesper.  The only reason I brought it up is because a few in this thread have mentioned some "NEED" for an IDE. There is absolutely no need for an IDE; you already have everything required. An IDE is just fluff. Somehow everyone seems to be misinterpreting what I am trying to get across. Communication errors abound! |
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