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| Acmlm's Board - I2 Archive - Super Mario World hacking - Is the creation of Lunar Magic a good thing? |
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Read the title.| Many people complain that the creation of Lunar Magic is the cause for the lack of good SMW hacks. | Lunar Magic was a big mistake! |
8.1%, 3 votes | Lunar Magic was what the SMW community really needed! |
81.1%, 30 votes | Lunar Magic? Is a brand of shoes? |
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Zerodius Aquamentus Level: 65  Posts: 418/2036 EXP: 2243783 For next: 91845 Since: 03-16-04 From: ??? Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 2 days |
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| Off: Realised there are many grammar mistakes in the poll's title and choices... If I could correct them, I would but... I can't so live with them. ____________________________________________________________________ Do you think that the creation of Lunar Magic was a good or bad thing? NOTE TO ADMINS: No... it's not a stupid question so don't trash... well... as long as this doesn't turn into a flame war. (edited by Zerodius on 06-14-04 05:52 PM) (edited by Zerodius on 06-14-04 05:53 PM) |
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cpubasic13 17 years old now. Time to buy some M rated games by myself! Level: 54  Posts: 304/1346 EXP: 1206934 For next: 26936 Since: 03-15-04 From: Blame my parents, Eddy Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 1 day |
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| Well, I am neutral... I think LM is what we needed because it is really good in seeing what you are doing. The GUI is also easy to use. It also edits the overworld the best. It is a pain to do it in the first place... The bad thing... people think that "OMG! I AM TEH BEZT SUPA MAREO WOLD HACKZER! FEER MIE SKILZ!" And it doesn't help that these people like to use rips from SMAS. Sure Fu used it, but it was an example hack. You have some examples to look at to see what Lunar Magic (and a little ASM) can do. But of course it isn't Fu's fault for making the program... it was adding a link to here that caused these newbies to post crappy hacks... I am not voting for this reason... |
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Smallhacker Green Birdo SMW Hacking Moderator Level: 68  Posts: 210/2273 EXP: 2647223 For next: 81577 Since: 03-15-04 From: Söderhamn, Sweden Since last post: 10 hours Last activity: 9 hours |
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| I vote for yes, but there's both good and bad about LM. Good: Easy to use editor, takes only a few minutes to learn Make a hack fastter than with a HEX editor Bad: Easy to use editor, takes only a few minutes to learn Make a hack fastter than with a HEX editor Ok... Maybe I should describe that better... Yes, it's good that LM exists, since it makes hacking easy, but if it's easy, then a lot of OMg!!1 i CNA MAKE MY OVN MAIRO GAEM! OMGOMGOMG!!!111!!12 n00bs will invade the commulity and post their LOLz!!1 i CHANGD DA FIRST KOPA ON LEVL 1 INTO RENZOR!! i ROX U SUX!!11 hacks, ruining the day for the other ones. Therefore, the experienced hackers's hacks will drown in the sea of "n00chs" (my own word for "n00b hacks") and all their work with tons of crazy go nuts awesome ASM hacks are just wasted... BMF: Here's the final version of SMB: Ody- Mr.Mc n00b: QUIET, U!!1 DIS HAX ROX MOR DAN U!!1 LOLz! BMF: With tons of ASM hacks, including a st- Mr.Mc n00b: YaY!1 MY HAX iS CALED "i ROX U SUX MAIRO VORLD 2" PLAY OR BAN! BMF: and a- Mr.Mc n00b: SHADDaP!!1 NOBODY wANTS 2 PLYA UR SUX hAX! lolZ!1 iM SOOOOOOOOO COUL! Etc... That's my opinion... |
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DooMAD Micro-Goomba Level: 6  Posts: 7/10 EXP: 720 For next: 187 Since: 06-02-04 From: UK Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 2 days |
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| I guess it depends on your perspective. If like me, you wouldn't be here without LM, you'll consider it a good thing. If you think that LM brings too many newcomers here with too many poorly conceived hacks, you'll consider it a bad thing.  Seriously though, putting up with that sort of thing is a small price to pay to ensure a long lasting community for the game. I can think of dozens of excellent games, which people don't play anymore because the editing scene died. Because of Lunar Magic, that won't happen to SMW. (edited by DooMAD on 06-14-04 06:05 PM) |
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knuck Hinox Banned until 19-58-5815: trolling, flaming, spamming, being a general fucktard... Level: 62 Posts: 362/1818 EXP: 1894574 For next: 90112 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 9 hours |
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| A good thing. It's easy, fast and powerful. What make SMW hacking bad are the LM users, not the program. And guys! Remember!  |
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Xkeeper 2.0 Hammer Brother Again... :P Level: 49  Posts: 96/1091 EXP: 880818 For next: 3065 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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| knuck, come on. You know... It's okay to use those ExGFX! I use them AND rip myself. My perspective on SMAS rips... it's OKAY to do so. I do it and people I hand private demos to still like it... Why? LEVEL DESIGN. I actually only use ExGFX workshop or Sonic GFX, and SMAS rips I have yet to do. |
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JJ64 Boo Level: 45 Posts: 322/919 EXP: 640956 For next: 19208 Since: 05-22-04 From: Green Bay, WI Since last post: 441 days Last activity: 269 days |
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| "Lunar Magic? Is that a brand of shoes?" Although that's a great choice... yes, Lunar Magic is a good thing. It's just fun to be able to create your own version of Lunar Magic. |
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cpubasic13 17 years old now. Time to buy some M rated games by myself! Level: 54 Posts: 305/1346 EXP: 1206934 For next: 26936 Since: 03-15-04 From: Blame my parents, Eddy Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 1 day |
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Originally posted by JJ64 Really? You use Lunar Magic to make your own Lunar Magic?  Well, it is mainly the newbies' fault. They barely know how to use a computer, they find this editor, they see the link to the SMW Hacking thread... you know the rest... |
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 2386/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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| Of course it's a good thing, especially forum wise. If it wasn't for Lunar magic, Acmlm board wouldn't have been this big. Many members joined becuse of SMW hacking. (I sort of joined becuse of SMW hacking, and hacking of other Super mario games) And there is nothing wrong making hacking easier. Of course, there is more challange using a hex editor than a "Level editor"...  |
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Emptyeye Real American Level: 67 Posts: 234/2273 EXP: 2488421 For next: 104451 Since: 05-24-04 From: I DUNNOOOOOOOO!! Since last post: 9 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| I, personally, view anything that allows easier creation of games/hacks to be a very good thing. Sure, you have the n00bs who will make terrible hacks. But at the same time, there's the potential for people with great talents for level design and concepts who perhaps lack the programming knowledge to do such a thing themselves to realize their level designs thanks to a tool like LM. I can't see how this is possibly a bad thing. |
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Knuckles T15X Keese Level: 20 Posts: 108/134 EXP: 37896 For next: 4543 Since: 03-15-04 From: ROM Hackville, SMASHachussetts Since last post: 109 days Last activity: 11 days |
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| knuck, that was *very* offensive. I put a lot of work into that, and you just outright insult me and the topic. I'm getting a mod/admin. You guys can say "ono overrreacting" but I will just say "If someone breaks the rules, you get the admins. Common sense." |
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Xkeeper The required libraries have not been defined. Level: NAN  Posts: -4061/-863 EXP: NAN For next: 0 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: -753366 sec. |
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Originally posted by DooMAD  Originally posted by Emptyeye Originally posted by Knuckles T15XMy opionion on the Workshop: I'm not fond of it [the EXGFX in there gets very old very fast] and I'm not going to use it. I'm not going to inult the people who do use it [well, okay, the ones who just blantantly take them without giving their own] because I know it takes forever and a half to do that kind of ripping and re-eding to make everything nice and spiffy. In short, I hate how often it's used but I don't really mind its existance. I'm not going to go out and insult the thing and/or the people who use it. I just don't like it. And on the other two posts, they've got a point. Without LM, this place would've died. People who say that just because you would have to use a hex editor it'd make hacks better are WRONG. Not only would this kill off most Think about it. Who's going to keep a list of SMW levels in hex around? Seeing these new levels, who would really have enough time to re-expand the levels over and over each time they added a new one? I'm sure you'd love to be stuck with mabye 100 objects per level or so, eh? With hex editing, continue to think about it: Who in their right mind would waste time making custom blocks? You'd be too busy trying to get everything right and such. Think about it. |
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Acmlm Torosu heh Level: 51  Posts: 765/1173 EXP: 981994 For next: 31944 Since: 03-15-04 From: Somewhere that isn't outside of Sherbrooke, Québec, Canada Since last post: 39 days Last activity: 3 hours |
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Many people complain that the creation of Lunar Magic is the cause for the lack of good SMW hacks. Think of it this way, without Lunar Magic (or any other level editor), there'd hardly be any Super Mario World hack around, and just hex editing levels doesn't get you very far, so there wouldn't be very good hacks either  I've missed out on the whole Super Mario World hacking since the early versions of Lunar Magic, but I'd say it was a good thing ... blame the overused features like ExGFX all you want, it still allowed to completely change worlds, levels and graphics, and even add some of your own and expand the ROM, that's far more advanced than almost (or every?) other level editor out there ... not to mention, level editing on anything else than NES was (and still is) quite rare |
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KATW King Yoshi "If you stare at something long enough, it can be funny." Level: 86  Posts: 879/3959 EXP: 6087979 For next: 54128 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 7 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| Lunar Magic is a good thing duh... people work better in a WYSIWYG format You cant see where you are gonna place that overworld tile or what you are gonna change that palette to in plain old hex.... Even though Hex has its "unlimitedness" (sorta  ) It doesnt have the quick and easy editing that you can see... that LM has. And its fun... who can argue with fun? |
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knuck Hinox Banned until 19-58-5815: trolling, flaming, spamming, being a general fucktard... Level: 62 Posts: 363/1818 EXP: 1894574 For next: 90112 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 9 hours |
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Originally posted by Knuckles T15XOMG ITS OFFENSIVE   .Can you read the damn image? "Everytime you USE...", not "KIll exgfx workshop lOZLozlzo". Also, i didn't see no one crying when you see DahrkDaiz's sig. It's called criticism. Deal with it. |
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Alastor the Stylish Hey! I made a cool game! It's called "I poisoned half the food, so if you eat you might die!" Have a taco.  Level: 114  Posts: 891/7620 EXP: 16258468 For next: 51099 Since: 03-15-04 From: Oregon, US Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Bah. There's nothing wrong with the ExGFX workshop as a whole, it has (some) really great stuff, but most of what goes in there isn't terribly good, and is also fairly overused. Anyway, where's the "other" option? It wasn't what the SMW hacking community needed, they did have one before it that was seemingly fair, after all. Sure, it helped a lot, but it probably would've gone alright without it. There probably weren't many people on it back then, though. As for the ExGFX feature, how is that overused? You can't overuse something that can be applied in almost infinite ways, it's the way you use it that's overused, and stuff. Anyway, I'm going to agree with Kirby all the way. Hacking is *fun* dammit. I worked all night on a complete new castle tileset for my new hack and aside from the fact it at this point has no slopes it's great. I also worked a little on the intro. So "bah", I say. It neither killed it nor saved it (hard to save something that's not there, after all), and it sure as hell isn't a brand of shoes. Again, where's that "other" option? |
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Zerodius Aquamentus Level: 65 Posts: 421/2036 EXP: 2243783 For next: 91845 Since: 03-16-04 From: ??? Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 2 days |
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| The "Lunar Magic? Is that a brand of shoes?" IS the "other" option! | |||
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Acmlm Torosu heh Level: 51 Posts: 769/1173 EXP: 981994 For next: 31944 Since: 03-15-04 From: Somewhere that isn't outside of Sherbrooke, Québec, Canada Since last post: 39 days Last activity: 3 hours |
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| Lunar Magic is the first (and still only?) Super Mario World level editor as far as I know ... I remember in September 2000, I think I was at Challenge Games and someone had figured out some of the level data, and then FuSoYa suddenly came and announced that Lunar Magic 1.0 was going to be released soon Version 1.0 didn't have much else than level editing, but it allowed to make levels from scratch (add/remove objects) and expand the ROM to fit more, and could export/import graphics so we could change them, so it was already pretty good |
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HyperLamer <||bass> and this was the soloution i thought of that was guarinteed to piss off the greatest amount of people Sesshomaru Tamaranian Level: 118 Posts: 1018/8210 EXP: 18171887 For next: 211027 Since: 03-15-04 From: Canada, w00t! LOL FAD Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 2441/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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Originally posted by AcmlmIt's not the only one. Another editor... It's funny, google rather showed that editor before Lunar magic if you search for "Super mario world editor". |
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