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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 1437/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by HyperHacker Ah, but you see, then you'd be playing a ROM... so, does the emulation win, or the console? |
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Weasel Missionary in PeruLevel: 34  Posts: 273/454 EXP: 236444 For next: 17207 Since: 03-15-04 From: Washington Since last post: 467 days Last activity: 339 days |
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| -Consoles are easy to use on a TV and don't require super-expensive hardware or moving your computer to do so. Since when are they super expensive? XD Besides, buying the discs or carts for a console gaming system is just as expensive. Emulation is cheaper in the long run. -You can use a console while your annoying little brother is on the computer. That works if you're a pussy and can't even get on the computer. I find this to be a stupid argument. -No emulator is perfect. Especially with fun hardware-related bugs, they fall short. Newer consoles are especially hard to emulate. Newer consoles, such as GC or XBOX? Those aren't carts. -Generic PC controllers often don't work well for complex games, and using a keyboard sucks. Define generic. Using a keyboard doesn't suck. It takes a bit of skill. Plus, in my opinion, using a keyboard shows more manual dexterity than a gamepad because you use more than just your thumbs. -You won't get hassled by the feds for using a console.  I'll accept this as valid as soon as the feds come to my door and bug me because I'm playing tetris. I'm not offering it illegally. -No worrying about your computer crashing or messing things up. That is dependant on your computer. If you're in the stone age, then yes, this is a problem. If you have any sense at all, then this isn't a problem. Plus, a gaming console can crash and burn just as easily as a computer. The difference is that these older systems are "rare" and are more expensive sometimes (classic means stupid). Fixing a crash on a computer is a cinch. -Consoles boot faster than any computer ever will and launch the game instantly. Maybe the console boots faster than a computer, but not faster than an emulator. My old NES took a super long time to load, and that was because the cart didn't work half the time. I get the rom to load 100% time. Tell me which is better  -Game companies don't try to prevent the games from being used on consoles. So? But what really pwns, hands down, no contest: EMULATORS RUNNING ON CONSOLES.  Ah, so.... you DO think the rom is better I knew it!I win! |
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Mecha Mazgoth Goomba Level: 10  Posts: 18/27 EXP: 3295 For next: 1119 Since: 04-29-04 From: N Earth (don't ask) Since last post: 536 days Last activity: 339 days |
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| Mine is a mixed deal. I think roms are good. But I hate using the keyboard(meh. I'm too lazy to get a controller ). And, well, I just prefer a console. The controller is really nice, and I have no problems with it (cept when my NES died  ). -You can use a console while your annoying little brother is on the computer. This can happen. My little sister had use the computer for school, so it isn't stupid. It is just somthing people don't bother with (like Weasel). |
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KawaiiImoto-e Hammer Brother Level: 49 Posts: 252/1068 EXP: 852917 For next: 30966 Since: 03-15-04 From: In my own little complicated dreamworld Since last post: 16 days Last activity: 4 days |
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-Consoles boot faster than any computer ever will and launch the game instantly. Maybe the console boots faster than a computer, but not faster than an emulator. My old NES took a super long time to load, and that was because the cart didn't work half the time. I get the rom to load 100% time. Tell me which is better O, c'mon. I don't have this problem with my NES, and its still the same as over 10 years ago. Never had to clean my Carts, they just work. And: Blowing in your carts enhances the retro-experience. |
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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 1447/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by KawaiiImoto-e I'm sorry I have to say this, but this may be the stupidest of all the arguments in this thread on etiher side. I don't get a nostalgic feeling when I'm sitting there for 10 minutes cleaning out my cart and hoping it works on my system. I actually get rather pissed, and sometimes just quit trying to get it to work; at which point I go to the computer.  |
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KawaiiImoto-e Hammer Brother Level: 49 Posts: 253/1068 EXP: 852917 For next: 30966 Since: 03-15-04 From: In my own little complicated dreamworld Since last post: 16 days Last activity: 4 days |
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Originally posted by KefkaOriginally posted by KawaiiImoto-e I don't know, but when I have to blow my carts, one time is more than enough. And as I said on IRC, I store my carts relativly dustfree, in a cupboard or something, don't have any porblems with carts that don't whant to start. Oh, and Duckhunt, Gumshoe, is there any Zapper-emulation for my Windows-PC? |
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FreeDOS Lava Lotus Wannabe-Mod :< Level: 59 Posts: 406/1657 EXP: 1648646 For next: 24482 Since: 03-15-04 From: Seattle Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| The original is better. Just for the ability to brag about it. Imagine this... : ROMs: "Hey! i got tons of ROMs! Want to play?" "Wow... You pirated games. I can too." Real thing: "Hey! I have an NES and Super Mario Bros. Want to play?" "Really? Awesome." |
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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 1451/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by KawaiiImoto-eOriginally posted by KefkaOriginally posted by KawaiiImoto-e Yes. FCEUD supports Zapper emulation. |
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 1449/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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Yes but the game turns into "click on the duck" game.  I found it very boring, to click on a duck that was flying around. It is more fun on the real thing. |
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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 1452/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| meh, I don't play those games much anyway. I might go to my NES if I ever did wanna play my Duck Hunt again... But for most games, I play roms, even though I have a NES. |
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 1452/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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For me it's the other way around, I can't seem to enjoy the game when I play on the PC.  Maybe becuse the sofa is more comfy than the computer chair. |
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neotransotaku Baby Mario 戻れたら、 誰も気が付く Level: 87 Posts: 541/4016 EXP: 6220548 For next: 172226 Since: 03-15-04 From: Outside of Time/Space Since last post: 11 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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Originally posted by Kitten Yiffer well...a laptop could solve that issue...or maybe if you bring your computer to your TV, there you go.. anyways, i prefer ROMs over Carts since carts have a life...meaning they will only work for so long before something goes wrong. As for ROMs they can never reallly die and even if they do, it is something external from them. in addition, there are some things with ROMs that you can't get with carts. Two that I can think of are: 1) de-regioning (meaning games released in one region is now available to use in other regions without using other hardware) 2) doing the impossible--there are somethings in games that you can do only once in 1 million years on a console/handheld but can do very often with emulators... |
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 1459/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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Originally posted by neotransotakuBut a laptop will hurt my neck if I use it to much, and that is not "comfy"... |
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neotransotaku Baby Mario 戻れたら、 誰も気が付く Level: 87 Posts: 545/4016 EXP: 6220548 For next: 172226 Since: 03-15-04 From: Outside of Time/Space Since last post: 11 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| number 2 was stated with the assumptions the game was running the way it was meant to run on a console--meaning running without glitches |
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BGenesis Red Goomba Level: 11 Posts: 29/38 EXP: 5415 For next: 570 Since: 05-17-04 From: In the tyranny that is Brittania. Since last post: 516 days Last activity: 339 days |
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| I bet this has been said, but: Cart > Roms because roms are illegal. |
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LocalH Red Goomba Level: 12  Posts: 6/46 EXP: 7612 For next: 309 Since: 03-17-04 Since last post: 25 days Last activity: 4 days |
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Originally posted by BGenesis No they're not. Unauthorized distribution of ROMs is. Especially with classic systems, dumping is 100% legal now (remember that set of DMCA exemptions that came out?), so if you back up your cart yourself, it's 100% legal to have an image of it. As long as there are homebrew ROMs then the blanket statement 'roms are illegal' is untrue. |
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Surlent サーレント Level: 49  Posts: 298/1077 EXP: 863920 For next: 19963 Since: 03-15-04 From: Tower of Lezard Valeth Since last post: 16 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| I'm emulating mostly SNES, but I'd also go with the real console. The emulators have lots of advantages, as better resolution. nifty features like save stating, no danger in corrupting save games, the ability to hack a ROM and taking screenshots for example ...see the posts above me, I don'T want to repeat everything But on the other hand, I would really adore it to own an SNES Rud(o)ra no Hihou ROM, just to own a game which is rare, I won't me bother ever that the ROM is in Japanese (since I finished it twice I know where to go  ), the same goes for PSX and other emulation.When I'm playing games like Vagrant Story alone or a fighting like Tekken 3 with friends, is much more easier than anyting else: You bring the console, plug in the console, two controllers, probably a memory card and the players ^^ Technically the PC may beat it in any way, especially dealing the 16-bit systems; on the 32-bit systems people ripped tilesets from games like Suikoden II to use it in RPG Maker 2k/2k3, even in 256-colours the shadings are neat (!), but the real feeling cannot beat the PC at all: The most beautiful moment when buying a console game is the first insertion in the drive; you just came from the store with the feeling "Yesh, I just bought me a neat game, cannot wait to play the (Mini)DVD at home ", while a ROM is other thing:"20 seconds ... when will this this be finished  ?", or "Crap, it doesn't work with ZSNES, I have to use emulator XYZ which I don't like " ...I value the classic feeling more than the technical aspects, but as for RnH, I cannot get to a functional cart, so I stick with the ROM (which has as well a good English translation by Lakmir ). Even if I would find it on Ebay for example. it would have that insane high bids I never would be able to buy it then  |
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KawaiiImoto-e Hammer Brother Level: 49 Posts: 291/1068 EXP: 852917 For next: 30966 Since: 03-15-04 From: In my own little complicated dreamworld Since last post: 16 days Last activity: 4 days |
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| In a Nutshell: It depends on own preferencdes: Carts > Roms: The Feeling. Owning it. Very easy to use. Roms > Carts: Hacking. almost indestructible. Free. |
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DahrkDaiz Red Super Koopa  Acmlm's Mosts 2005 Best ROM Hacker Level: 45  Posts: 157/885 EXP: 643520 For next: 16644 Since: 03-15-04 From: K-Town Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| Well see, ROMs may be better than carts, but the experience of playing a game on the original console is better. Sitting in front of a TV with a drink and snacks and glaring at the TV without social contact for hours is different from playing a game, get to a tough spot, load state, enter cheat, load state, save state, come back to it later, load state, repeat. | |||
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Surlent サーレント Level: 49 Posts: 299/1077 EXP: 863920 For next: 19963 Since: 03-15-04 From: Tower of Lezard Valeth Since last post: 16 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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Originally posted by DahrkDaiz Yeah, you're forced to beat a hard game without daring try use the keys F2 and F4 when getting through uber-hard passages ... and when you're done you really can say you dit it, and no stupid .zst file which saved you dozens of times restarting the level from the beginning So I never would sell my SNES, playing hacks on carts would be just nice too. I don't know how it might be possible to transfer it into a blank ROM, or probably by a copier like the Super WildCard DX2 ? |
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