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Cymoro
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Leg: Fyxe has a point. You're basing your beliefs on a book from a time when people thought the Earth was flat. Now we know better. I have already gone over this. No one knows.
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Posted on 05-02-04 07:56 PM Link
Originally posted by Cymoro
Leg: Fyxe has a point. You're basing your beliefs on a book from a time when people thought the Earth was flat. Now we know better. I have already gone over this. No one knows.


Yeah but I'm also basing my beliefs on a book that has NEVER been disproven. Never.
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Posted on 05-02-04 08:01 PM Link
Also, it hasn't been proven either

EDIT: same goes for evolution


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Posted on 05-02-04 08:06 PM Link
Originally posted by Kefka
On the contrary, it hasn't been proven either


Not necessarily. And on a side note, if you have time, check this out.

Anyway, this is pointless. I'm clearly outnumbered here by people who are ganging up on me calling me "close minded". Let's not be hypocrits ok?

And when it comes down to it, most of your arguements have boiled down to clear mockery. "Then again, maybe SATAN planted them there to fool the non-believers!!"

How very respectful and intelligent Fyxe.

You'll probably never understand my side because you auto-reject it without so much as trying to make sense of it. You gather all your "facts" and numbers from sources that you don't even know can be trusted or not?

That and you jump to conclusions to much, just like science really. You claim that I'm closed minded? Of all people, I'm not close minded. I was an atheist mere months ago. So don't just go assuming anything. It wont get you anywhere.
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Posted on 05-02-04 08:09 PM Link
Legion, I have yet to call you "close-minded"

You are merely standing up for what you believe in. I applaud you. I am teh neutral, so I suppose I must applaud everyone else too... this topic is hell, because there is WAY too much friggin stuff up for debate which can't be proven.
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Contradictions from the bible (I will provide the link from the original page when asked):


Ex. 20:13 Thou shalt not commit murder.
Ex. 32:27 Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, put every man his sword by his side...and slay every man his brother...companion..neighbor.(See also 1 Sam. 6:19; 15:2,3; Num. 15:36)

Ex 20:5 "...for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God..." (see also Ex 34:14, Deut 4:24, Josh 24:19, and Nah 1:2)
Gal 5:19-20 "Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are...jealousy..." (See also 2 Cor 12:20)

Ex. 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness.(Prov. 12:22; Rev. 21:8)
1 Kings 22:23 The Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee. (II Thess. 2:11; Josh. 2:4-6 with James 2:25)

Ex. 20:15 Thou shalt not steal. (Lev. 19:13)
Ex. 3:22. And ye shall spoil the Egyptians. (Ex. 12:35-36; Luke 19:29-33)

Ex. 20:8 Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. (Ex. 31:15; Num. 15:32,36)
Is. 1:13 The new moons and the Sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity. (John 5:16; Matt. 12:1-5)


Ex. 20:4. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven...earth...water. (Lev. 26:1)
EX. 25:18 And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them.

Eph. 2:8,9 For by grace are ye saved through faith...not of works. (Rom. 3:20, 28; Gal. 2:16)
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.(Matt. 19:16-21)


Matt. 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works. (I Peter 2:12)
Matt. 6:1-4 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them...that thine alms may be in secret. (Matt. 23:5)


Lev. 25:45-46 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy...and they shall be your posession...they shall be your bondmen forever. (Gen. 9:25; Ex. 21:2,7; Joel 3:8; Luke 12:47; Col. 3:22)
Is. 58:6 Undo the heavy burdens...break every yoke. (Matt. 23:10)


Mal. 3:6. For I am the Lord; I change not. Num. 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent. (Ezek. 24:14; James 1:17)
Ex. 32:14. And the Lord repented of the evil which he had thought to do unto his people. (Gen. 6:6; Jonah 3:10; Sam. 2:30-31; II Kings 20:1-6; Num. 16:20-35)


Ex. 20:5 For I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generations. (Ex. 34:7)
Ezek. 18:20 The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father.

Psa. 145:9. The Lord is good to all. (Deut. 32:4; James 1:13)
Is. 45:7 I make peace and create evil. I the Lord do all these things. (Lam 3:38; Jer. 18:11; Ezek. 20:25)

John 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you. (Luke 2:14; Acts 10:36)
Matt. 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth, I came not to send peace, but a sword. (Matt. 10:35-37; Luke 22:36)

John 8:14 Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true.
John 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

Matt. 5:22 Whosoever shall say Thou fool, shall be in danger of hellfire.
Matt. 23:17 (Jesus said) Ye fools and blind.

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at anytime. (Ex 33:20; Tim. 6:16; John 6:46; I John 4:12)
Gen. 32:30 For I have seen god face to face. (Ex. 33:11, 23; Is. 6:1; Job 42:5)

Deut. 6:4 The Lord or God is one Lord.
Gen. 1:26 And God said, let us make man in our image.(Gen. 3:22; I John 5:7)

Rom. 3:23 For all have sinned. (Rom. 3:10; Psa.14;3)
Job 1:1 There was a man... whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright. (Gen. 7:1; Luke 1:5-6)

Mark 15:22 and it was the third hour, and they crucified him.
John 19:14-15 And about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! But they cried out...crucify him!"

I Peter 2:13 Submit yourself to every ordinance of man.
Acts 5:29 We ought to obey God rather than men.

"Then he (Jesus) strictly charged the disciples to tell no one that he was the Christ." Matthew 16:20


If any of these are wrong, don't blame me. This is very intriguing, as it does disprove several things in the bible.


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Legion, please, I tried to make it clear that I was just kidding with that last remark. I know it was mockery, but hey, I believe my great great great great great...

...Great great grandfather was a monkey, so.

I wasn't auto-rejecting your side, either, Legion. I said it *could* be true, although personally I believe otherwise. I have never said 'evolution is definite fact and the Bible is definitely wrong'.

The fact is Legion, you are behaving like the Bible is entirely infallable. However, you should know as well as anyone of the massive contradictions in the Bible, and the fact that, if, say... I said I was a girl, there would be no way for you to prove or disprove that. It wouldn't make me a girl, though. The Bible is rather like that, you see.

Don't get me wrong, evolution has it's quirks and it's flaws and there are plenty of things I don't understand about it, but hey, I don't think humans are at all superior to any other creature on this Earth, so evolutionism is a nice theory in my eyes, and seems to have plenty of things to back it up. It tends to slot nicely together, in my eyes.
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Posted on 05-02-04 08:15 PM Link
I'm agreeing with Kefka here, since I believe there is something going on here. Sure, there seems to be a evolutionary thing going on, but I still have one question? If there was a big bang, how did it make it so that most things that we experience on planets, stars, moons, and the galaxies seem to be so... thought-out. We were able to figure some things on paper to this degree. Still, I'm weary about debates like these, as emotions sometimes run high...

Basically, I believe there is some type of mix and that we're just not seeing or believing this mix. Though, that's just me thinking things down the line. As I don't know everything about evolution, just like I don't know everything about creation. I know that the big bang has to do with evolution, and creation has to do with a god.

Now please, stop fighting over these two highly debating theories, you're not going to get answers yelling at each other...


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i.e. maybe a mod should close this right about now.
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