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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101  Posts: 577/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by Cthulhu BOOYA! Everything you wanted to know and maybe even a little more. Keep in mind, we didn't have all these "marvelous" scientists back then. Also, the Christian view on this very topic. (edited by Legion on 05-01-04 01:11 PM) |
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Cthulhu Rex Level: 36  Posts: 422/541 EXP: 302159 For next: 5951 Since: 04-04-04 From: R'lyeh Since last post: 123 days Last activity: 61 days |
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| Very interesting. I don;t think we have a copy of Genesis now, so I'll just go with that link. I still don't know...there's a lot of ways that the dinosaurs could've killed us and lived on. Plus, how did humans survive the Ice Age then? | |||
hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38  Posts: 179/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| Yea, Creationists pull the dinosaur shtick from the Behemoth / Leviathan lines. It doesn't actually refer to dinosaurs, just something vaguely similar to dinosaurs: Big animals. But the logic involved is somewhat sketchy: "Behemoth was really big. Dinosaurs were really big. Therefore, behemoth was a dinosaur. Therefore, dinosaurs were in the bible! Bible knows all!" | |||
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Cthulhu Rex Level: 36 Posts: 425/541 EXP: 302159 For next: 5951 Since: 04-04-04 From: R'lyeh Since last post: 123 days Last activity: 61 days |
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| LMCAO. That one was good. But ok, back to the serious. I was thinking tha same thing. All that was described was a large animal, and though some dinosaurs were large, some were not. Take a velociraptor for instance, it is only a little bit taller than a man. And still, if humans and dinosaurs had coexisted at the same time, why doesn't the Bible mention them more? Why weren't we hunted to exctinction by these greater animals before they too died out from the Ice Age? Too many loose ends that are not tied up. | |||
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 581/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by hhallahh Bzzzt, wrong again. And not surprising either. The bible describes characteristics of these big animals that can be nothing other than dinosaurs. "The book of Job is very old, written after the worldwide flood of Noah's time and probably about 2,000 years before Jesus was born. Here God describes a great king of the land animals like some of the biggest dinosaurs, the Diplodocus and Apatosaurus. It was a gigantic plant-eater with great muscles and very strong bones. The long Diplodocus had leg bones so strong that he could have held three others on his back. The behemoth were not afraid. They did not need to be; they were huge. Behemoth tails were so long and strong that God compared them to cedars--one of the largest and most spectacular trees of the ancient world. After all the behemoth had died out, many people forgot about them. Dinosaurs were extinct and the fossil skeletons that are in museums today did not begin to be put together until about 150 years ago. Today, some people have mistakenly guessed that the behemoth mentioned in the Bible might be an elephant or a hippopotamus. But those animals do not have tails like the thick, tall trunks of cedar trees!" Now that that's taken care of... I'm not going to cut and paste this next part, too long. ""Behemoth was really big. Dinosaurs were really big. Therefore, behemoth was a dinosaur. Therefore, dinosaurs were in the bible! Bible knows all!" Typical thoughts from the likes of people like you. The kind where you don't actually do any reading and just assume and twist logic so it fits your arguement.  Have a nice day.  |
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Cthulhu Rex Level: 36 Posts: 428/541 EXP: 302159 For next: 5951 Since: 04-04-04 From: R'lyeh Since last post: 123 days Last activity: 61 days |
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| OK, Legion, I no longer even have to guess your opinion on this topic. Still, no one has addressed the question as to why dinosaurs did not kill off humans or how humans could have survived the Ice Age... | |||
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 583/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by Cthulhu And why bother? I didn't want to participate in this because people don't take the time to learn about the opposite end. Take halaalalhaha for example. All he knows is what he wants to believe. He wont bother actually learning anything that might just go against his beliefs. But that's closed minded people for you. And there's plenty of them here. |
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Cthulhu Rex Level: 36 Posts: 429/541 EXP: 302159 For next: 5951 Since: 04-04-04 From: R'lyeh Since last post: 123 days Last activity: 61 days |
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| You pose a good point. There are way too many close-minded people. There a difference between supporting your opinion and being close-minded, and hhallahh is straddling the dividing line... | |||
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 180/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox. 40:16 Lo now, his strength [is] in his loins, and his force [is] in the navel of his belly. 40:17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together. 40:18 His bones [are as] strong pieces of brass; his bones [are] like bars of iron. 40:19 He [is] the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach [unto him]. 40:20 Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play. 40:21 He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens. 40:22 The shady trees cover him [with] their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about. 40:23 Behold, he drinketh up a river, [and] hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth. 40:24 He taketh it with his eyes: [his] nose pierceth through snares. Okay, okay. There's your unabriged Behemoth passage. Legion's link conveniently mentions about half of it, and then concludes that Behemoth was either a Diplodocus or Apatosaurus. Well, are either or these dinosaurs so small that they can hide in reeds, or the willows of the brook? And did any of these canidates' geographical distributions overlap with Mesopotania? I find it doubtful. I think the second half of the Behemoth passage was omitted, oh... purposely. And it's one thing to learn an opponent's argument. It's another thing to conclude Biblical wisdom and truth. 0_o; My point is that the behemoth passage does not necessarily refer to dinosaurs, but could encompass any number of big creatures... with tails. (edited by hhallahh on 05-01-04 02:12 PM) (edited by hhallahh on 05-01-04 02:16 PM) |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 584/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| "My point is that the behemoth passage does not necessarily refer to dinosaurs, but could encompass any number of big creatures... with tails" Not it doesn't, it refers to dinosaurs. "Well, are either or these dinosaurs so small that they can hide in reeds, or the willows of the brook?" Yeah, I guess you're right. Seeings how all dinosaurs are born AT FULL SIZE! Next! |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 181/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| ... that's the response? The passage refers to baby dinosaurs only? Were baby dinosaurs tails like cedar and all that jazz, too? Maybe not born at full size.. but born at full strength, indeed! Oy vey. And I suppose if it said behemoth had no tail, it could just be a dinosaur with its tail cut off. Haha. It still doesn't address the Jordan river point, though. (edited by hhallahh on 05-01-04 02:24 PM) |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 586/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| You really are dense aren't you? Just because it refers to an animal, doesn't necessarily mean it's a full grown one. Of course, with your one track mind that didn't even occur to you. Use your head man! "And did any of these canidates' geographical distributions overlap with Mesopotania?" Yes. |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 183/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| It's just a cop-out, that's all. Yea, it doesn't necessarily mean a full-grown one. However, my point is that I doubt you could compare a baby dinosaur's tail to a cedar. You got that, right? Yes. Really. Cause my sources say those two species lived in North America. But maybe they migrated, right?   Yea, right next to the Jordan! |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 588/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| Wow! A bunch of random maps! IM CONVINCED! Thanks science! *thumbs up* |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 184/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| So which one of us is close-minded, now? Or twisting logic? (Baby dinosaurs.. that one still gets me.. haha..) http://dinosauricon.com/genera/diplodocus.html http://www.ircs.upenn.edu/cogsci2000/apatosaurus.html http://coe.fgcu.edu/students/ward/dinosaurpages/apatosaurus.html http://dinosauricon.com/genera/apatosaurus.html http://www.prehistory.com/diplodoc.htm http://www.abc.net.au/dinosaurs/fact_files/scrub/diplodocus.htm |
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Cthulhu Rex Level: 36 Posts: 431/541 EXP: 302159 For next: 5951 Since: 04-04-04 From: R'lyeh Since last post: 123 days Last activity: 61 days |
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| Break it up. Please don't attack each other's opinions like that! We are here to learn people, not make meaningless attacks on one another! Listen, if somebody doesn't believe what you believe, who freaking cares? Just let it go! In the end, all that matters is what you believe. So, c'mon, if you're going to discuss this, please do so in a non-flaming way and a non-sarcastic way. Just learn from each other and then think about it, do not attack each other like that. | |||
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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 1199/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by NightHawk Yea, I kinda thought that too... but then I always wonder "if it is true that all things lived underwater at one point... how did those get onto land and some of it eventually become human?" I can't discount macro-evolution or creationism... pretty much faith is the only thing holding both of those up... but for evolution in general, meaning what NightHawk said, science has basically proven that. |
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Cthulhu Rex Level: 36 Posts: 443/541 EXP: 302159 For next: 5951 Since: 04-04-04 From: R'lyeh Since last post: 123 days Last activity: 61 days |
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| Hmmm. See, Kefka is behaving like he should in this topic. I'd say that micro-evolution cascades forth until it all adds up to macro-evolution. At least, that's what I learned in school. | |||
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Cymoro PATRICK DUFFY WILL LASER YOUR SOUL   Level: 67  Posts: 347/2216 EXP: 2549743 For next: 43129 Since: 03-15-04 From: Cymoro Gaming Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| First off, no one knows. No one. It's what I like to call belief, and until aliens come out of the sky and show us video footage of our evolution, or Jesus comes out from the heavens and says that we're all sinners, we'll never know who's right. Reasons? Here's some: 1: Creationism today is based off of a 1900-2000 year old book. And if we can recall right, religeon was used back then to explain the unexplainable, like why the sun rose and set. The fact that all of the creationist belief could be based off of theories of a culture that existed 2000 years ago that thought the rain was brought by a higher being makes it seem wary. 2: Evolutionism. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. Science today can now carbon date stuff, like the Shroud of Turin, or dinosaur bones. The only problem with evolutionism is that there are NO DOCUMENTED FACTS FROM BACK THEN. When the far past is concerned, science merely provides theories. Like Leg said, carbon dating can be way off (not just by thousands of years, but also by millions). And there you go. Both sides disproved. Thread over, go get some sleep. (edited by Cymoro on 05-01-04 09:59 PM) |
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Cthulhu Rex Level: 36 Posts: 444/541 EXP: 302159 For next: 5951 Since: 04-04-04 From: R'lyeh Since last post: 123 days Last activity: 61 days |
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| Uh, thread not over. We still are getting opinions. This was not to disprove either side, but to collect opinions on the topic. Maybe this should've been a poll... |
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