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Cthulhu Rex Level: 36  Posts: 401/541 EXP: 302159 For next: 5951 Since: 04-04-04 From: R'lyeh Since last post: 123 days Last activity: 61 days |
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| (I dunno if this is the best place to put this, but I figured maybe I wouldn't get flamed here rather that General Chat) I'm not trying to start anything here, I'm just curious. I did a report of Charles Darwin, and the question of what the majority believes in came up: Darwninism or Creationism? I just said Creationism, considering the fact that most world religions believe in Creation. Now, I'm wondering, on this board, who believes in Evolution and who believes in Creation? I'm not trying to start a flame war, I'm just curious. I'll leave my opinion unsaid for now, and I'll just see what you guys have to say. Just post what you believe, and why you believe it. Thank you for your participation. |
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snipy_chipy Silver axe Level: 33 Posts: 239/427 EXP: 215300 For next: 13879 Since: 03-17-04 Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 1 day |
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| Evolutionist There is just to much proof with science to ignore it. The creationiste theories were made to answer philosophical questions in older times. To reassure themselves, they made theories to answer questions. The creation theories are also in the bible. The bible will still be around for a while so these theories will stay in play with believers. |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101  Posts: 566/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| Everyone put on your helmets... ...cause herrrre weeeee goooo! |
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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 1178/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| Oh fuck... hope there's no ultra conservatives lurking about.... OK, I am a *gasp* GET THIS: MIX! I believe that there is a higher being. I dunno what or who the higher being is, but I believe there is one. Now, oh my, this might be hard to understand, but the higher being allowed for evolution! OH MY! BLASPHEMOUS! God wouldn't allow for evolution! He created everything by himself! Er... well, Higher Being X may very well have created everything, but they evolved on their own. So, that's my belief on this in a nutshell... I don't see why many people think it has to be one or the other, and can't be both. |
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Cthulhu Rex Level: 36 Posts: 402/541 EXP: 302159 For next: 5951 Since: 04-04-04 From: R'lyeh Since last post: 123 days Last activity: 61 days |
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| That's one opinion. And Legion, I said that there will be no flaming or fighting. If somebody says something different, you guys just sit there and let it go. Everyone is etitiled to an opinion, so do not attack another user over theirs. Ready for an intelligent discussion? You better be. Let's all try to act mature now. | |||
Wlokos Red Paratroopa Level: 22 Posts: 31/176 EXP: 54880 For next: 3470 Since: 04-29-04 Since last post: 11 days Last activity: 10 days |
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Evolution... It just has so much proof.. But my religons says creation.. I dunno, i'm confused now..   O_o |
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Toxic in a sublime state of mind Level: 75  Posts: 969/2857 EXP: 3732709 For next: 94195 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 3 days Last activity: 8 hours |
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| Where did everything come from? The entire galaxy, streching on for infinity. Where did that come from? Even before it came what was there? How is it possible to make something from nothing? |
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NightHawk Bob-Omb Level: 39  Posts: 20/621 EXP: 374743 For next: 30028 Since: 03-26-04 From: Switzerland Since last post: 432 days Last activity: 339 days |
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| Creation. Evolution, btw, is only possible if you're talking about micro-evolution (evolution that happens within a species), which happens all the time. Macro-evolution (evolution from one species to another) is basically impossible without external forces. I don't however have a problem with the idea that God could've used evolution as part of the creation process -- He's God, He could've created the world however He chose  |
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 1204/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| I don't see what the big argument is. *shrugs* There's more proof on the table regarding evolution so I have to go with that. I'm not discounting creationism, but unless there's a radical discovery made someday... |
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Cthulhu Rex Level: 36 Posts: 404/541 EXP: 302159 For next: 5951 Since: 04-04-04 From: R'lyeh Since last post: 123 days Last activity: 61 days |
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| To address Toxic's question: I have no idea. Smarter people than you and me are working on it as we type. Maybe they'll figure it out someday, for that is a question that has bothered me for a long time. But here, we're assuming that was already here, and we're focusing on the aspects of life's origin and how it came to become how it is today. | |||
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Alastor the Stylish Hey! I made a cool game! It's called "I poisoned half the food, so if you eat you might die!" Have a taco.  Level: 114  Posts: 616/7620 EXP: 16258468 For next: 51099 Since: 03-15-04 From: Oregon, US Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| I'm with NightHawk. | |||
ETG Tektite Level: 14 Posts: 15/60 EXP: 11348 For next: 1723 Since: 03-16-04 From: Texas Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 5 hours |
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| Evolution in the sence that all breeds of dogs came from one type of dog (see also cabbage) or that one perfectly fine animal changed to a compleatly different type of animal? One is not only possible but demonstrated, the other takes more blind faith than any relegion I know of. I doubt anyone who really studies the nitty gritty of the way life works would say there isn't intelegent design involved. And the "Proof" for evolution tends to be flaky and assuming. However it's engrained in the idea of science and so many people think that creation isn't sience and evolution is, just because it has to be that way. |
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Cthulhu Rex Level: 36 Posts: 406/541 EXP: 302159 For next: 5951 Since: 04-04-04 From: R'lyeh Since last post: 123 days Last activity: 61 days |
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| As soon as I can find that Hawaiian Bannana Moth link, I'll post it. It's pretty good proof of evolution. | |||
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38  Posts: 174/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| Being a fan of rationality, I cast my lot with the evolutionists. I'll try to avoid being confrontational (someone else can start it, and I'll jump in), but I have to say that macroevolution - in the sense of speciation - has already been documented. If you seperate two populations, eventually they'll evolve in different directions and become unable to breed. Thus, macroevolution. | |||
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NightHawk Bob-Omb Level: 39 Posts: 23/621 EXP: 374743 For next: 30028 Since: 03-26-04 From: Switzerland Since last post: 432 days Last activity: 339 days |
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Originally posted by hhallahhWell, I don't have the time to go through that link as closely as I'd like (breakfast is calling  ), but from the quick look I had, I'd definitely say that those examples are of micro-evolution, NOT macro-evolution. Notice that there's no MAJOR difference between the species they're talking about, just minor things that effect survivability in their environments.I'll look through it more closely later, but that's my first impression of it. |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 177/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| Yes, well... in the sense of speciation, I said.. which means that microevolution has been documented to create new species, which is one of the definitions of macroevolution. No one has seen a reptile turn into a bird, of course... mostly because that takes millions of years. But it's theoretically possible, if you combine microevolution with speciation, for new, functionally distinct species to arise over time. I guess this is where the issue of irreducible complexity gets thrown in, or gaps in the fossil record, and then things become really murky. Probably don't want to get into that.. (edited by hhallahh on 05-01-04 12:31 AM) |
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kitty Come on babe, pet the pussy ;) Level: 70 Posts: 830/2449 EXP: 2962406 For next: 53405 Since: 03-15-04 From: Scranton, PA, USA Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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| Let me clarify creationism: It's described in Genesis. The world is NOT 4 billion years old, but rather about 4000 years or something like that. God created everything the way it is now, no species have changed or been added, although some have died out. The universe is static, there is no change, and the world is near its end. Now what do you believe in? If you believe someone created the big bang, you're not a creationist as the defenition of it says... you believe in evolution. |
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Valcion YOU WA SHOCK Level: 50  Posts: 186/1139 EXP: 939607 For next: 7710 Since: 03-15-04 From: internets. Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Who cares where we came from? We don't know where we came from, nor will we never know for sure. All that matters honestly, is the future. There's my opinion. |
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NightHawk Bob-Omb Level: 39 Posts: 24/621 EXP: 374743 For next: 30028 Since: 03-26-04 From: Switzerland Since last post: 432 days Last activity: 339 days |
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Originally posted by Yiffy Kitten6000 That's *your* definition of creationism, the REAL definition is much simpler actually (and btw, your definition hinges on Christian and Jewish beliefs about creation, other religions have different beliefs on how the world was created, yet they're almost universally creationistic beliefs). Creationism is the belief that the world/universe and its inhabitants were created by a higher power (or higher powers). Note that creationism itself says nothing about HOW that (or those) higher power(s) created the world, or when. That's different with pretty much every faith I've read about. And creationism doesn't entail a belief about when the world will end For Christians, that's in Revelations. |
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Yoshi Dude XKEEPER STOLE MY CAR KEYS Level: 79  Posts: 316/3271 EXP: 4572680 For next: 6787 Since: 03-15-04 From: give me a number folks. Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| I'm not religious.. I have a belief for why religion exists, there's no need to go into it, but basically I feel that creationism was another excuse some people made to try to have the world make sense. Evolution makes sense.. but there isn't any proof good enough to knock out the idea of creationism. |
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