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Devin Red Koopa Level: 20  Posts: 43/136 EXP: 38569 For next: 3870 Since: 03-21-04 From: thar Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 6 hours |
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| Okay, here's a little question. My OS is known as "Windows XP (Whistler)". Now what exactly does the Whistler part mean? |
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neotransotaku Baby Mario 戻れたら、 誰も気が付く Level: 87 Posts: 514/4016 EXP: 6220548 For next: 172226 Since: 03-15-04 From: Outside of Time/Space Since last post: 11 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| that's the code name that microsoft used to develop windows XP the next OS after WinXP is codenamed Longhorn and i believe it has been released...but i'm not sure about that. |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101  Posts: 545/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by neotransotaku This site here explains it all.  And from the description, it sounds badass. It sounds like a beautiful dream. Of course, I'm going to wait about 6 months before I use it because such drastics changes are bound to go wrong at first. But it will smooth out by then. (edited by Legion on 04-28-04 10:40 PM) |
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HyperLamer <||bass> and this was the soloution i thought of that was guarinteed to piss off the greatest amount of people Sesshomaru Tamaranian Level: 118 Posts: 517/8210 EXP: 18171887 For next: 211027 Since: 03-15-04 From: Canada, w00t! LOL FAD Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Yes, it sounds great. Copy a CD? Hell no. File sharing? Forget it. Develop free software? Sure, if you have the extra loads of cash to get it licensed (note "will not run unauthorized programs"). And you can FORGET open-source.  |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 552/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Haha, you're on of those doomsayers who think this is the end of all p2p aren't you?  Trust me, it's not going to be that bad.  |
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 1324/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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| If we can forget "open source" heck i'm going to dual-boot, or at least maybe even going to fully Linux. Seriously I don't think Microsoft is that stupid. Wouldn't longhorn run old program? And what would make an program unauthorized?  I wait and see, if there is any fuzz about it. I wouldn't be surprised if it was big stuff in the media after the release. Anyone remember the fuzz over the activation thing? |
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Error Red Paragoomba Level: 13  Posts: 29/54 EXP: 9430 For next: 837 Since: 04-16-04 Since last post: 540 days Last activity: 339 days |
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| I sit back and laugh as windows puts the final nails in it's own coffin. | |||
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 554/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by Error Wanna put money on it? And yeah, maybe one of these days this whole "Windows" thing will catch on.  Maybe... |
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HyperLamer <||bass> and this was the soloution i thought of that was guarinteed to piss off the greatest amount of people Sesshomaru Tamaranian Level: 118 Posts: 519/8210 EXP: 18171887 For next: 211027 Since: 03-15-04 From: Canada, w00t! LOL FAD Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by Kitten Yiffer Not being in the master database, of course. The real problem is that it's built into the CPU, so there's little to no chance of disabling it, and even if you did it's a safe bet that a lot of programs would refuse to run on systems without it (claiming they need some function of it to run, which may but probably wouldn't be true), and servers equipped with it would refuse connections from your system because "OMFG it's not secure". Not to mention that they even basically say* CD copying would be impossible (and of course MP3 downloading), as in M$ can tell the system what you're allowed to do, and you know they wouldn't stop there. Essentially M$ has full control over the system; they can delete things they don't like (anything from illegal stuff to a document that even mentions anything bad about them, or whatever the hell else they want). *Basically what they say is it will allow CDs to be played/copied/etc conforming to fair use rights. We all know what those are. If it were up to the music industry computers wouldn't even be allowed to have CD-ROMs or audio inputs. |
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 1195/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| I don't know how effectively MS can enforce that though. Palladium seems to be only included with a new wave of processors that will be eventually released, so as long as you don't have it... you're in the clear. (And come on... people can find a way around EVERYTHING.) |
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kitty Come on babe, pet the pussy ;) Level: 70 Posts: 821/2449 EXP: 2962406 For next: 53405 Since: 03-15-04 From: Scranton, PA, USA Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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| A few things about Palladium: A few months ago (maybe over a year?), when people first heard about it, the rumor mills started churning out bullshit upon bullshit about what it'll restrict/prevent, etc. Let me quote from the site, "Palladium controls information after it's sent from your PC. Using... (DRM) technology, Palladium can be used to securely distribute music, movies, and other... over the Internet. Movie studios and the recording industry could use this technology to let their customers exercise their fair use rights to copy audio CDs and movies, for example.What this is saying is not that you won't be able to copy things on your PC, but it won't be as easy to illegally distribute things over the internet that you copied/made on your PC, such as a copy of a DVD, or a copy of a CDA file. Neither MP3s nor DIVX movies fall into these categories because they are not the original files and do not have the original identification/encryption/security tags. That isn't to say that MP3 or AVI distribution will be unhampered, because it is unknown at this point, but think of it as "Protection for the average user from being sued by the RIAA" (they filed another 400+ suits this week, moneygrubbers  ). Or, if you go by what that site says,"In all cases, it would be the user, not Microsoft, who sets these policies." As for the "Unauthorized programs", this refers to 3rd party software and viruses that run without your awareness - you never authorized their startup. In other words, if you visit a website, script can NOT automatically be executed which will in any way read data from or record data to your system without your authorization. This doesn't include cookies or temporary internet files, but more often those "data miners" or the type of popup ads that open/close CD-ROM trays. This is a major leap for virus and spyware prevention as all of these programs will probably be defined in a database and if Windows detects any of them running, it will inform you of it and possibly what it does (like Spybot, in a way). (edited by Yiffy Kitten on 04-30-04 11:41 AM) |
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FreeDOS Lava Lotus Wannabe-Mod :< Level: 59 Posts: 389/1657 EXP: 1648646 For next: 24482 Since: 03-15-04 From: Seattle Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| People do find a way around everything. I saw a document somewhere on getting Windows XP installed on a Pentium 133... very slow and ineffecient though. People also that Windows XP would be the end-all of the average PC users' freedom. It wasn't. Although it did limit a lot of capability, there are ways of bringing the functionality of Windows 2000 into it again, without third-party software. Despite Microsoft's claims, Internet Explorer can be uninstalled without harm as well. Windows Longhorn doesn't sound all that terrific right now... that might change when it's released. Although if it's going to require 3D-hardware graphics and stuff that only hardcore gamers actually need, I'm switching everybody in my house to Linux... that is, when WinXP becomes "obsolete" (put that in quotes because Microsoft has a tendency of making their products not install on older Windows' [e.g. Win95 or 98], when in fact they're perfectly fine OSes). |
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kitty Come on babe, pet the pussy ;) Level: 70 Posts: 822/2449 EXP: 2962406 For next: 53405 Since: 03-15-04 From: Scranton, PA, USA Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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Originally posted by FreeDOSWell, that's true to an extent... (Windows) Explorer itself is in a way a version of IE and needs to be on the machine as an integral part of the OS... if you ever take Explorer.exe apart in ResHacker, there's an interesting line: "This pre-release version of "Internet Explorer 4.0" Desktop/Explorer has expired. Please update to the latest release of "Internet Explorer 4.0" from WWW.MICROSOFT.COM" Oh, I forgot to comment on this one: "Longhorn will require 3D video hardware to render special effects that will make the screen more photorealistic and deep." People with onboard Intel video are royally fucked  (Onboard AMD is nearly always nForce2 IGP, which is a GeForce4 MX, unless the user built it himself and put in a shitty VIA KT400M board with SiS video as shitty as Intel's "Extreme AGP Graphics"edit: It doesn't have to be a "Hardcore" 3D accelerator, a GeForce 256 (GeForce 1) would probably do it! As I said, only Intel systems with onboard video can't handle it. (edited by Yiffy Kitten on 04-30-04 11:50 AM) |
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FreeDOS Lava Lotus Wannabe-Mod :< Level: 59 Posts: 391/1657 EXP: 1648646 For next: 24482 Since: 03-15-04 From: Seattle Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by Yiffy KittenOriginally posted by FreeDOSWell, that's true to an extent... (Windows) Explorer itself is in a way a version of IE and needs to be on the machine as an integral part of the OS... if you ever take Explorer.exe apart in ResHacker, there's an interesting line: That's true, too. If you use LiteStep, you won't have to worry about it. Unless someone can find a way to make the Windows 95 explorer.exe (no connection with IE) work on XP. I'd prefer that, actually. |
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 1337/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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| I prefer the old explorer.exe, honestly. It is alot faster than the Internet explorer based one. "In all cases, it would be the user, not Microsoft, who sets these policies." True, I mean. If I kill someone with the Win XP install CD, can somebody sue Microsoft for that? |
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FreeDOS Lava Lotus Wannabe-Mod :< Level: 59 Posts: 393/1657 EXP: 1648646 For next: 24482 Since: 03-15-04 From: Seattle Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by Kitten Yiffer It depends. You might just win. Like that women who sued McDonald's for spilling coffee on her lap. |
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kitty Come on babe, pet the pussy ;) Level: 70 Posts: 832/2449 EXP: 2962406 For next: 53405 Since: 03-15-04 From: Scranton, PA, USA Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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Originally posted by Kitten YifferReally? I thought Win 3.1's file browser sucked! |
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Pegasus Bit Level: 26  Posts: 187/251 EXP: 97188 For next: 5087 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 337 days Last activity: 320 days |
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Originally posted by FreeDOS Someone got an NT4 shell to work in an Win2000 environment perfectly, so if you go to http://www.computing.net/windowsnt/wwwboard/forum/21969.html, explains how the shell can be swapped like the way 95/98/98SE shells are swappable. Unfornately, I have attempted to use both 95 and NT4 shell in XP Pro Corp before, 95 shell just loads windows explorer window half way and is unusable, as with the NT4 shell I get an Ordinal 512 shell32.dll error message. I used ResHack on NT4 shell32.dll, comdlg32.dll and explorer.exe already, either I'm too dumb to find ordinal 512, it isn't in there, or I didn't do something right or anything. So, if anyone can attempt and get at least the NT4 shell to work in XP, lots of people would be replacing their shells left and right, unless otherwise of course. |
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kitty Come on babe, pet the pussy ;) Level: 70 Posts: 835/2449 EXP: 2962406 For next: 53405 Since: 03-15-04 From: Scranton, PA, USA Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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| Why in god's name would you want to downgrade XP's shell to NT4's? Or to ME/98/95? That's the point of XP, it's light-years better than the rest - if you want NT4 for some fucked up reason, install NT4... | |||
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HyperLamer <||bass> and this was the soloution i thought of that was guarinteed to piss off the greatest amount of people Sesshomaru Tamaranian Level: 118 Posts: 528/8210 EXP: 18171887 For next: 211027 Since: 03-15-04 From: Canada, w00t! LOL FAD Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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What is it with people insisting that IE can be removed? WinXP == IE. I installed it once and IE didn't work. NOTHING worked. Some of the most important core files are frickin Javascript!
So, like Linux already has for years? You don't seriously believe it's going to prompt you for every script a webpage tries to run? |
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