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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 144/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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Well, removing Saddam is only part of the plan. Now we have to make a democracy or whatever. May fail, but it's really too early to declare defeat. | |||
Eyebarb Permabanned for spamming Stupidity a major factor as well Level: 22 Posts: 40/172 EXP: 53204 For next: 5146 Since: 04-25-04 From: Smalltown, USA Since last post: 530 days Last activity: 339 days |
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Technically it wouldn't be a defeat anyway because we romoved Saddam. Now for Osama... | |||
kitty Come on babe, pet the pussy ;) Level: 70 Posts: 766/2449 EXP: 2962406 For next: 53405 Since: 03-15-04 From: Scranton, PA, USA Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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Originally posted by hhallahhSo if your definition of a quagmire is that, then why do you not believe Iraq is one? Everything in bold is more than true. Just because not as many people are dying in Iraq as they were in Vietnam doesn't mean it's any less of a quagmire. In Vietnam at least the majority of people were glad we were there. In Iraq, 80% of the citizens want us out. edit: I REALLY don't want to comment on this anymore. Clearly, hindsight being 20/20, we should never have gone in. I thought the war was valid when they had the pictures of the WMDs which turned out to be false. But I didn't know this, neither did the public. Now I don't know what to do and neither does the current presidency. Bush (and his advisors) fucked up and now can't get out of this mess. (edited by Yiffy Kitten on 04-27-04 08:08 PM) |
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Eyebarb Permabanned for spamming Stupidity a major factor as well Level: 22 Posts: 42/172 EXP: 53204 For next: 5146 Since: 04-25-04 From: Smalltown, USA Since last post: 530 days Last activity: 339 days |
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Originally posted by hhallahh We successfully removed Saddamm from power. |
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kitty Come on babe, pet the pussy ;) Level: 70 Posts: 769/2449 EXP: 2962406 For next: 53405 Since: 03-15-04 From: Scranton, PA, USA Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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Saddam wasn't the guerrila insurgency. Once again your ignorance causes you to fail in an argument. Saddam was the leader of the regime. The guerrilla fighters are still alive and well. Perhaps you need to look up the word "guerrilla" |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 147/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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I believe that there's a forseeable possibility of victory, I believe that progress is being made somewhere. The objectives are clearly defined: Set up a suitable, stable government and get out. How do we do this? Idunno, I'm not an expert, but it's a lot harder to argue that it won't be done than it may or may not be done. That's why I wouldn't call it a quagmire. The Fallujah / Sunni Triangle situation concerns a vast minority of a population. 80% may want us out, but 80% also condemn the violence against U.S. soldiers. Hindsight is 20/20, and naturally foresight is a lot worse... that's why I'm reluctant to say that "X will happen in Iraq", and I cringe whenever I hear anyone else do so. Saying that they "can't get out" is ridiculous... we haven't even reneged on the June 30th deadline yet. Either way, things like Fallujah are, at the moment, isolated incidents, and should have no bearing on anyone's assessment of the situation, unless they have a good reason to think that these episodes are endemic of more serious problems that will inevitably materialize. I am not of this opinion, but I'm loathe to argue what won't happen as much as I am to argue what will. Nobody knows. |
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Eyebarb Permabanned for spamming Stupidity a major factor as well Level: 22 Posts: 44/172 EXP: 53204 For next: 5146 Since: 04-25-04 From: Smalltown, USA Since last post: 530 days Last activity: 339 days |
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But that doesn't change the fact that we removed the head of the regime from power. That doesn't change the fact that we didn't have business staying there as long as we are. | |||
kitty Come on babe, pet the pussy ;) Level: 70 Posts: 771/2449 EXP: 2962406 For next: 53405 Since: 03-15-04 From: Scranton, PA, USA Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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Originally posted by EyebarbOriginally posted by hhallahh This has nothing to do with Saddam. Read my post again. Read it 200 times if you must. Saddam was the leader of the regime. The guerrilla fighters are still alive and well. Perhaps you need to look up the word "guerrilla" Removing the head of a regime doesn't do any damn good when there are so many people/soldiers around who supported him and would do anything to return to that type of regime. What do you suggest, we should have bombed the fuck out of them (like we did), forcefully go in (like we did), capture Saddam and his sons, dead or alive (like we did), and then LEAVE the country as a mess? (edited by Yiffy Kitten on 04-27-04 08:29 PM) |
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Eyebarb Permabanned for spamming Stupidity a major factor as well Level: 22 Posts: 46/172 EXP: 53204 For next: 5146 Since: 04-25-04 From: Smalltown, USA Since last post: 530 days Last activity: 339 days |
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You're right. We should fix the mess that we made. |
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