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Posted on 04-27-04 07:30 AM Link | Quote
Okay, then explain why even today we use lead to encase things from radiation. As far as I know, no "radiation resistent film" is in existence in the strength needed to shield in replacement of six feet of lead casing.
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Posted on 04-27-04 08:09 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Yiffy Kitten
Originally posted by Eyebarb
Ok here are the sites that contain the information.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_poisoning

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/970228a.html
Ah, I didn't notice you shot down your own argument.

According to the second site, a satelite recieves 2500 rem/YEAR.

This is less than the first category listed on the first link you posted - about 0.285 rem/HOUR.

Good job genius!


Apparently, you can't read. Radiation on the moon IS NOT THAT FUCKING HIGH. IT ISN'T DEADLY BY ANY MEANS. Reading is good, comprehending is better. You don't need 6' of lead to protect yourself from radiation levels you can be in for 90 years with no side effects.


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Posted on 04-27-04 08:28 AM Link | Quote
You're right legion, but I'm talking about the VAN ALLEN BELTS OF RADIATION! I'm not talking about the moon because it is thousands of miles away. I didn't shoot down my own argument, the sattelite used for an example was within the protection of our own atmosphere. The van allen belts were on the way there and thats what I'm talking about.
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Posted on 04-27-04 08:42 AM Link | Quote
They never took photos at or near the Van Allen belts. They weren't in the radiaton zone very long. According to this.
"Within these belts are particles capable of penetrating ~1g/cm2 (2) of shielding (1 millimeter of lead)."
How does 1mm = 6 feet? And the amount of time the astronauts spent passing through these belts was so minimal that any exposure to this was very short-lived and not long enough for large amounts of radiation to pass into the saturn rocket.
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Posted on 04-27-04 08:58 AM Link | Quote
Can you cite your sources?
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Posted on 04-27-04 10:11 AM Link | Quote
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Posted on 04-27-04 12:40 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Yiffy Kitten
If the satelite is halfway decent, it'll show the astronauts footprints, the tracks from the rover, the landing sites, and everything else - there's no atmosphere on the moon and therefore no wind to blow them away, no way for them to rust, and no rain to wash them away
Heard about that severeal times but... have there been any photos taken of the landing site after the landing?

I'm just curious.
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Posted on 04-27-04 01:31 PM Link | Quote
Like I said from NSNick's source, the replacement they used for the lead is still exotic even today. The reason for this is that they were needed to go to a place so alien by our standards, that they were engineereed and applied far ahead of their time. The reason we don't use it today, is like you said, all of our orbiting sattelites are in the protection of our atmosphere, so they are not needed. Plus, funding and public support is another reason why these materials are not applied again, and that we do not return to the moon.
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Posted on 04-27-04 11:50 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Eyebarb
Can you cite your sources?

Originally posted by Legion
this.
"Within these belts are particles capable of penetrating ~1g/cm2 (2) of shielding (1 millimeter of lead)."
In case you didn't notice, the "this" is a link.
I asked Legion to post those 2 for me last night, but told him to edit out that I said them. Since my pass is random chars I don't know myself, I can't log in at home I thought it might be nice to try to introduce another intelligent body into this discussion but Legion doesn't seem to care, so it seems that I am the only quasi-intelligent person (still) arguing in this thread about something that needs to be proven as much as the holocaust. It happened. Get over it. People deny the holocaust too and try to use shitty reasons to say it never happened as well. You going to believe that too, now?

Kitten Yiffer: Nope, because there hasn't been a super high-quality camera-equipped satelite sent to the moon ever. We landed on it, taking pictures of it at this point is kinda pointless since we have pictures taken while on it

Cthulhu: The reason our orbiting satelites don't have it, FOR THE LAST TIME, is
Originally posted by Yiffy Kitten
According to the second site, a satelite recieves 2500 rem/YEAR.
This is less than the first category listed on the first link you posted - about 0.285 rem/HOUR.

If this weren't the CD I'd have banned some of you for not reading the posts before and saying stuff that's already been proven wrong


(edited by Yiffy Kitten on 04-27-04 02:50 PM)
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Hey, your pass is random characters? So's mine! Except, I know which ones mine are.
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Posted on 04-28-04 01:35 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Yiffy Kitten
Kitten Yiffer: Nope, because there hasn't been a super high-quality camera-equipped satelite sent to the moon ever. We landed on it, taking pictures of it at this point is kinda pointless since we have pictures taken while on it
I was afriad for the answer, but I do hope that someone will take a picture so we can show the proof that we have been on the moon.

I have seen even more stupid conspiracies, like the peopel who think that the extermination of Jews in Germany newer happened during the WWII. ~_~ I have meet this man who have been the camp even.
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Not to try and start anything, but what about how America rounded up all the Japanese-Americans and kept them in secure places until WWII was over? Not even nearly as bad as Hitler's extermination camps, but still a little thing we don't like to mention.
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Posted on 04-28-04 01:48 AM Link | Quote
It happened defenatly and you know I checked all this stuff out about like the whole van allen belt stuff and I got a good conclusion.

Ok even during that perticular week when we went to the moon it was possible for them to survive without serious harm do to radiation, but (speaking from something on discovery channel science thing) it is very possible we went to the moon. If we spent the time up there though even in those suits there is a dcent chance of serious radiation poisoning.

So this could go either way I don't know the exact time we spent up there and now I don't care enough to consider this. If we did make it to the moon no one gives a shit and no one should since it is mostly unliveable waste stuff. That no one will care about in 50 years after space travel is just there for no good reason.


Damn you lou you convinced me with bad facts when there was no other side now I am going to have to do something really unlikely like hurt you.

(I hope you punch my elbow and get hurt)
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Posted on 04-28-04 02:59 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Cthulhu
Not to try and start anything, but what about how America rounded up all the Japanese-Americans and kept them in secure places until WWII was over? Not even nearly as bad as Hitler's extermination camps, but still a little thing we don't like to mention.

I actually didn't know about that, no honestly.

Any sources that can confirm that?

But then I didn't read so much about what US did in the WWII, just about pearl harbour and the a-bombs... we were mostly concentrating on the jew extermination camps. (how can peopel do such horrible things? )
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Posted on 04-28-04 03:18 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Kitten Yiffer
I actually didn't know about that, no honestly.

Any sources that can confirm that?


See if you can find a copy of the book Farewell to Manzanar by Jeanne Wakatsuki Houston and James D. Houston. It was written by a Japanese woman who grew up in one of those camps, and I had to read it in high school.

I don't remember much from the book itself, but from what little I do remember, she says basically that the camps were not cruel like Hitler's were, but nevertheless they were dehumanizing. And yes, they did exist, although you won't hear the US government talk about it much. Anyway, she provides what I think is an honest and interesting account of that period of history. Read it if you get the chance

What does this have to do with people landing (or not) on the moon, by the way? Government secrets, I guess?
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Posted on 04-28-04 03:34 AM Link | Quote
Yeah, that and the holocaust.

I don't have any sources to cite other than my teacher's. He's the one who told us this, and I've never really looked it up, though my social studies teacher also mentioned it.
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They were cruel, and perhaps dehumanizing, but the US government suspected so many Japanese people as spies (and there were a ton) that this was the only way to get rid of them all (unfortunatley).

These camps were the exact opposite of the camps the Japanese or Germans had for American POWs. If you want to hear horror stories, these rank up there with the concentration camps.

I've met several people who've been to the concentration camps, they show their tattoos with their number on it. I've been to the concentraton/death camp at Dachau - Only one bunker remains, the rest were torn down, but you can imagine the horrible conditions. The one there now is a rebuilt one, I believe, for historical purposes. The ovens are still standing and some even have ashes left in them, a testiment to one of modern mans' most horrific actions.
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Posted on 04-28-04 03:56 AM Link | Quote
The US could never be as bad to the Japanese as Hitler was to the Jews. We had reason to suspect them, but what's done is done...
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Posted on 04-28-04 04:32 AM Link | Quote
I DIDN'T START THIS THREAD TO SAY NO ONE LANDED ON THE MOON NOW THAT EVERYONE PROVED ME WRONG DUHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

there is no moon.
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Posted on 04-28-04 04:33 AM Link | Quote
How to see if you lost a debate (In 6 easy strikes):

Originally posted by Eyebarb
Sam you fucking retard


Strike 1: Namecalling.

Originally posted by Eyebarb
I didn't start this thread to try to convince people that we didn't land on the moon


Strike 2: Lying.

Originally posted by Eyebarb
I started this thread as a good topic for discussion because there is no absolute proof either way whether or not we went to the moon.


Strike 3: Lying (Yes, twice).

Originally posted by Eyebarb
I have to agree with ninjitetsu that it doesn't matter anyway.


Strike 4: Trying to divert the subject.

Originally posted by Eyebarb
Anyway that you look at it, we don't know how much radiation is in the van allen belts.


Strike 5: Ignorance.

Originally posted by Eyebarb
As for the assholes who don't think that such atrocities as the holocaust actualy happened, someday their souls will be judged accordingly.


Strike 6: Pushing blame.


Always think before you speak out your mouth, otherwise one day your mouth will be closed, and it will only have one other way to go: the ass.


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