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Do you believe in GOD?
Do you believe in GOD? Post in and tell us why you do or don't believe in GOD.
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Posted on 10-11-05 08:51 PM Link | Quote
Do you or don't you believe in GOD. Post in and tell us why you do or don't.
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Posted on 10-11-05 08:58 PM Link | Quote
If you wanted some serious discussion you should have posted this in World Affairs / Debate. Tell me if you want it moved there.
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Posted on 10-11-05 09:43 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by macks
If you wanted some serious discussion you should have posted this in World Affairs / Debate. Tell me if you want it moved there.



Yeah, actually, that is a good idea, move it there for me. Thanx!
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Posted on 10-11-05 09:49 PM Link | Quote
I'm heavy metal thunderstriking jesus
and I believe in the book of heavy metal
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Posted on 10-11-05 10:29 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by knuck
I'm heavy metal thunderstriking jesus
and I believe in the book of heavy metal


WIMPS AND POSERS LEAVE THE HALL!

HEAVY METAL IS THE LAW THAT KEEPS US ALL UNITED-FREE.

WE ARE WIZARDS FIGHTING WITH OUR WANDS
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Posted on 10-11-05 10:47 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by alte Hexe
Originally posted by knuck
I'm heavy metal thunderstriking jesus
and I believe in the book of heavy metal


WIMPS AND POSERS LEAVE THE HALL!

HEAVY METAL IS THE LAW THAT KEEPS US ALL UNITED-FREE.

WE ARE WIZARDS FIGHTING WITH OUR WANDS


I PUT ON MY ROBE AND MY WIZARD HAT
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Posted on 10-11-05 10:55 PM Link | Quote
Well, there's an overly unspecific question.

No, I don't believe in any god as those portrayed in any organized, revelation-based religion. I do believe in a driving force behind the creation of the universe, or a "first mover", if you will. You want to call that God? Go right ahead. I don't believe this force intervenes in the universe, other than being its initial designer, thus it doesn't matter what you call it.
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Posted on 10-11-05 10:56 PM Link | Quote
Back on topic:

Catholicism FTW
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Posted on 10-11-05 11:12 PM Link | Quote
Some time ago, I actually gave this some more serious thought, and I came to pretty much the same conclusion that SomerZ did. There's some kind of "force", that triggered the creation of everything, and that it hasn't intervened much after that.

I also mentioned this to a Christian friend of mine, and I think he atleast found the idea to be interesting.

Though, what I didn't mention to him, is that I also believe that this force, in a way, represents each side of human nature.
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Posted on 10-12-05 12:29 AM Link | Quote
yes I do believe in God
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Posted on 10-12-05 05:07 AM Link | Quote
Jesus was black. Or Arabic. Probably Arabic, but wow, Black Jesus would kick ass. Sadly enough, a kid at school called me a heathen for saying Jesus was Arabic.
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Posted on 10-12-05 05:14 AM Link | Quote
the christian religion is awful, they have killed anyone who think different than them... because of a God that tell them to don't kill, Whatever If its true or not, Its being used to gain power and to manipulate people, and god did nothing at all to stop that, the only bible did more trouble to mankind than natural disaster. For all these reason I voted NO
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Posted on 10-12-05 05:46 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Dei*
Originally posted by alte Hexe
Originally posted by knuck
I'm heavy metal thunderstriking jesus
and I believe in the book of heavy metal


WIMPS AND POSERS LEAVE THE HALL!

HEAVY METAL IS THE LAW THAT KEEPS US ALL UNITED-FREE.

WE ARE WIZARDS FIGHTING WITH OUR WANDS


I PUT ON MY ROBE AND MY WIZARD HAT


AND THEN ASK MY MOTHER TO DRIVE ME AND MY FRIENDS TO THE GIG


Originally posted by The Somerz
Well, there's an overly unspecific question.

No, I don't believe in any god as those portrayed in any organized, revelation-based religion. I do believe in a driving force behind the creation of the universe, or a "first mover", if you will. You want to call that God? Go right ahead. I don't believe this force intervenes in the universe, other than being its initial designer, thus it doesn't matter what you call it.


Now ask yourself, given relativity and so forth making the idea of time in those early days really fucked and irrelevant... why did the universe have to have an origin at all? Isn't that a very three-dimensional way of looking at things? Nothing in the universe can be created or destroyed (matter or energy), it just runs in an endless cycle of different forms. In fact, nothing in the universe truly had a beginning and won't have an end, so doesn't it follow that the universe itself would have much the same properties perhaps running in an endless cycle of contraction and expansion?



(edited by Arwon on 10-11-05 08:48 PM)
(edited by Arwon on 10-11-05 08:50 PM)
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Posted on 10-12-05 05:52 AM Link | Quote
Yes. Yes I do.

Originally posted by The Somerz
No, I don't believe in any god as those portrayed in any organized, revelation-based religion. I do believe in a driving force behind the creation of the universe, or a "first mover", if you will. You want to call that God? Go right ahead. I don't believe this force intervenes in the universe, other than being its initial designer, thus it doesn't matter what you call it.

I think it's called deism, so technically yes.
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No, I don't believe in GOD. What does that stand for, anyway?

But really, I've read this book. It's entitled, I don't have enough faith to be an Atheist. It is not a joke. The authors were atheist, then decided to warp (not a spelling error) their logic around the whole concept of christianity. They attempt to prove, in the first two (or four? I don't remember) chapters, that God exists. It's all very neat and precise, up until the part where they claim that by the second law of thermodynamics the universe can't have been around forever, or else it wouldn't exist today. I'd love to go further into why this is so ludicrous, but what Arwon said is more concise than any explanation I would write. Also, I do believe that you can get something out of nothing, so I suppose I do have enough faith to be an atheist. Huzzah.

If you didn't get the gist of that, or perhaps skipped it because you were lazy, I do not believe in any supreme being whatsoever. Except in the one possibility I now describe...

Okay, so, there's the big argument that the world is so complex that someone had to have designed it, right? Let's just say for a moment that this is true. But just look around you! It's obvious that the world is not perfect. Seriously, you can see all the things that were done wrong that, had you been the supreme being, you would have done better. So, while it's obvious that there must be a supreme being, it's also obvious that He did not make this world. No, it's much more plausible that our universe was made by an underling while no one was looking. In other words, the existence of a badly-made clock proves the existence of an inept clockmaker. As such, it's probably a bad idea to offer up prayers to this supreme being. You'd just be inviting armageddon.
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Humm, just out of curiosity, what imperfections would you fix? Im not looking for things like human corruption simply because its possible that at one point we had no such flaws and somehow were corrupted, outside of said deity's interaction.

One thing, the way I see it, It doesn't matter if God has interacted with the universe once or millions of times, If he created it as most religions state, couldn't he, with all his power and intellect and such have set into motion every miracle or coincidence or thing that we take as a deus ex machina that was ever going to happen from that one single interaction?

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Posted on 10-12-05 07:54 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Bio
the christian religion is awful, they have killed anyone who think different than them...


Uh, this was like, more than 500 years ago.

I believe in God but I´m not really religious. Don´t go to church, don´t read the bible, don´t pray often, etc.

I was born christian.
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Posted on 10-12-05 10:21 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by ziratha
deus ex machina


A Greco-Roman plot device used to pacify audiences?
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Posted on 10-13-05 02:46 AM Link | Quote
I don't believe in any deities for the same reason that I don't believe in ghosts, fairies, the Invisible Pink Unicorn, or any other supernatural being. I haven't seen any evidence that convinces me of a deity's existence.
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Posted on 10-13-05 02:52 AM Link | Quote
Depends. If it's the Christian God, or the Muslim God... or any monotheistic God, for that matter, it's a no. I'm Wiccan, so I believe in the Lady and the Lord. So, yes. I guess.
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