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Arwon Zora Level: 35  Posts: 4/506 EXP: 278115 For next: 1821 Since: 03-15-04 From: Terra Australis Incognita Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 10 min. |
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| I'll be voting Green in the local and federal elections due this year. My views aren't quite what that would imply, but whatever. And as for "Socialism has never worked" - don't make me hit you over the head with Labour Parties. Or with Sweden, for that matter. (edited by Arwon on 03-16-04 01:26 AM) |
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Ran-chan Moldorm eek, when are they going to stop growing... Level: 143  Posts: 21/12781 EXP: 35293588 For next: 538220 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima District, Tokyo - Japan Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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| I guess i (edited by Millennium Neko on 03-16-04 05:31 AM) |
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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 123/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by Arwon I'll be voting Green in the local and federal elections due this year. My views aren't quite what that would imply, but whatever. And as for "Socialism has never worked" - don't make me hit you over the head with Labour Parties. Or with Sweden, for that matter. I merely said communism has never been put in practice. There are socialist countries, yes, but communist countries, no. I think communism COULD work in a small community, but not a big country. |
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The SomerZ Summer, yay! Level: 45  Posts: 42/862 EXP: 618182 For next: 41982 Since: 03-15-04 From: Norway Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 3 hours |
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Originally posted by Arwon Or with Sweden, for that matter. Actually, all of Scandinavia (Sweden, Norway, and Denmark) are so-called "socialist countries that work". |
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 270/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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Originally posted by The SomerZ Originally posted by Arwon Or with Sweden, for that matter. Actually, all of Scandinavia (Sweden, Norway, and Denmark) are so-called "socialist countries that work". Indeed.  I like socialism (but not communism, as that is little too far  ), we have quite high welfare in Scandinavia.  Notice this on the internet, Sweden is the most active Internet country in the world. And we are never behind when it comes to techology. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 262/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Canada is considered Socialist Monarchary by a lot of Americans  Last I checked the Queen is an official figure head without power |
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The Gift of Gabe Red Paragoomba Level: 13  Posts: 43/51 EXP: 8892 For next: 1375 Since: 03-16-04 From: Albuquerque, NM, USA Since last post: 260 days Last activity: 256 days |
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| I'd like to point out that our society reminds me of the Roman Empire, and it looks like we're due for a gradual decline, seeing as how our economy is slowly draining into the septic tank. Peace out, jobs!!! Thank you, Bush!!! Fuck you, over-globalization!! Everyone on this board is EXTREMELY lucky because we are educated. This will be the one thing that may give all our children a fighting chance. Read books, everyone. Don't stop till the hat drop... or....some..thing. |
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Ran-chan Moldorm eek, when are they going to stop growing... Level: 143 Posts: 49/12781 EXP: 35293588 For next: 538220 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima District, Tokyo - Japan Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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Originally posted by EvillerLegion Canada is considered Socialist Monarchary by a lot of Americans Last I checked the Queen is an official figure head without power It |
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Arwon Zora Level: 35 Posts: 7/506 EXP: 278115 For next: 1821 Since: 03-15-04 From: Terra Australis Incognita Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 10 min. |
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Originally posted by EvillerLegion Last I checked the Queen is an official figure head without power You probably wouldn't say that if you lived in Australia. In 1975, the Governor General of Australia (the Queen's representative) stepped in and dismissed the Whitlam Labour government and parliament in responce to a blockage in the senate, calling new elections. Thankfully, no serious turmoil ensued but it possibly could have. This is generally seen as the serious birth of the republican movement in this country - the humiliating reminder of our place in the world, and of a serious flaw in our system. The Queen might be practically powerless and reform isn't urgent or anything, but at the end of the day she is still foreign and I look forward to the day when Australia has an Australian as head of state. And besides, if you read the Australian constitution (and I imagine Canada isn't much different with respect to the position's powers) the Governor General has practically dictatorial powers - they are the commander in chief of the armed forces, they can dismiss and appoint governments and cabinets, veto bills from the parliament... it's only unwritten tradition that makes the G-G such a figurehead. Interesting how we have such a different view of our Contitutional Monarchy status than New Zealand and Canada - the republican view is much stronger and more serious I guess. |
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Ares Blue Octorok Level: 12 Posts: 1/47 EXP: 7857 For next: 64 Since: 03-17-04 From: Uh...Olympus....yes, that will do..... Since last post: 12 days Last activity: 7 days |
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| Which just helps one say, America rules, well not really....... Seriously, though, I think that America is in some rather big trouble a few generations down the line. Although America is still a world power, it seems the growing problem of terrorism will prove difficult to combat without the u.s. adapting to this type of warfare. Oh, and don't forget good ol' fashioned imperialism, which is now becoming more popular with everybody yay yay. (edited by Kasumi-Astra on 03-17-04 05:58 PM) |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 298/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by Arwon Originally posted by EvillerLegion Last I checked the Queen is an official figure head without power You probably wouldn't say that if you lived in Australia. In 1975, the Governor General of Australia (the Queen's representative) stepped in and dismissed the Whitlam Labour government and parliament in responce to a blockage in the senate, calling new elections. Thankfully, no serious turmoil ensued but it possibly could have. This is generally seen as the serious birth of the republican movement in this country - the humiliating reminder of our place in the world, and of a serious flaw in our system. The Queen might be practically powerless and reform isn't urgent or anything, but at the end of the day she is still foreign and I look forward to the day when Australia has an Australian as head of state. And besides, if you read the Australian constitution (and I imagine Canada isn't much different with respect to the position's powers) the Governor General has practically dictatorial powers - they are the commander in chief of the armed forces, they can dismiss and appoint governments and cabinets, veto bills from the parliament... it's only unwritten tradition that makes the G-G such a figurehead. Interesting how we have such a different view of our Contitutional Monarchy status than New Zealand and Canada - the republican view is much stronger and more serious I guess. We have changed the laws about the Governor General (aka, they can no longer oppose and repeel laws, unless that law goes against the constitution, and can only dissolve parliament at the request of the Prime Minister). Since we re-patriated the constitution, we've been able to really become a more soverign nation. The only thing the Queen does is get a call every time a law is passed asking if it's groovey. And she has no choice but to say yes. Mind you, I still love the Queen...Me and my father have a picture of her in our house, and most classrooms in my school have one. |
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Arwon Zora Level: 35 Posts: 8/506 EXP: 278115 For next: 1821 Since: 03-15-04 From: Terra Australis Incognita Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 10 min. |
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| Pictures of the queen? Wow. That seems very very weird. We recently scrubbed her from the $5 note for some reason... now she's just on the coinage. But then, you guys were a regular imperial holding, not a series of penal colonies... very different starting points. (edited by Arwon on 03-17-04 10:02 PM) |
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The SomerZ Summer, yay! Level: 45 Posts: 81/862 EXP: 618182 For next: 41982 Since: 03-15-04 From: Norway Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 3 hours |
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| I happen to like our king - yes, I know that is very un-socialistic of me, but as I may have mentioned earlier, even though I am a socialist, it doesn't mean I agree with all of what the other socialists believe in - 'tis a common thing in this country, anyway. I think we have one of the most popular royal families. As in most other constitutional monarchies, the king signs all bills, can veto anything he wants, and appoints the Prime Minister and his cabinet. This is all tradition, though, of course. The king has no actual power. Anyway, advantages to having a monarch: - Serves as a sort of "ambassador" for the country, and will have trained for this all his life. - National gatheringpoint and an extra security against threats to the democracy/nation in times of trouble (when the Germans invaded, and the fascist Vidkun Quisling performed a coup d'etat in 1940, he would have surrendered Norway to the Germans if the king hadn't used his constitutional veto-right (this was the only time in national history that the king used this right, disregarding the kings of the union-with-Sweden-days). Thanks to him using his veto, we didn't surrender, fought back, and nearly beat the Germans at the battle of Narvik). - Having a monarch is actually cheaper than becoming a republic. Having to hold a Presidential election every 4th year would actually cost more than paying a small tax to support the king (in Norway, anyway. Don't know how it is in other countries). - A president would be having exactly the same duties as the king anyway (unless you go for a US-style republic. But we wouldn't want that ), so why not simply have a king that know what he's doing, in stead of risking to have some idiot elected to mess it all up? |
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Shiieru Goomba Level: 10 Posts: 9/27 EXP: 3423 For next: 991 Since: 03-17-04 From: The world's randomness capital Since last post: 576 days Last activity: 286 days |
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| Economic Left/Right: -2.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.44 I'm further to the left than I thought, but I don't really believe in socialism (or communism, for that matter) so it is a bit surprising. Here, we don't have the Queen on our notes, just coins. Still, I think this country should have a monarch... it makes the country more unique, if you know what I mean. |
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Arwon Zora Level: 35 Posts: 16/506 EXP: 278115 For next: 1821 Since: 03-15-04 From: Terra Australis Incognita Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 10 min. |
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| I'm definately not arguing against monarchy in European and other countries because it obviously works fine in Denmark, the Netherlands, Spain, Norway, etc. Hell, even here, the situation is tolerable... it's just far from ideal. It's just that, it's a bit different for Australia compared to other constitutional monarchies for two reasons. Firstly, our monarch is a foreign national who lives on the other side of the world and doesn't really know much of anything about Australia. And secondly, her appointed representative here has actually screwed around with our government before in most controversial circumstances - showing that the system is flawed. (edited by Arwon on 03-18-04 10:57 PM) |
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Shiieru Goomba Level: 10 Posts: 16/27 EXP: 3423 For next: 991 Since: 03-17-04 From: The world's randomness capital Since last post: 576 days Last activity: 286 days |
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Originally posted by Arwon I agree with you about not having a monarch in Australia - it does seem a bit pointless, come to think of it  |
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madMonkey Micro-Goomba Level: 8  Posts: 7/17 EXP: 1708 For next: 479 Since: 03-18-04 From: christmas island Since last post: 189 days Last activity: 122 days |
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| Communist Anarchist. -8 X -9 Y I am almost the exact opposite of George W. Bush. Hurrah. (edited by madMonkey on 03-26-04 01:56 AM) |
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