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Zer0wned Cheep-cheep Level: 17  Posts: 156/181 EXP: 21472 For next: 3271 Since: 08-16-05 From: Hermosa Beach, CA Since last post: 30 days Last activity: 30 days |
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| Now it has come to my recent understanding that one of the reasons for the lack of use of the death penalty nowadays is the ridiculous cost, of which I was completely unaware came to over a million dollars on a median, and of course varies from state to state (I'd assume that Texas is one of the cheaper places to do this, just an assumption, however). Now, it has been joked that: "How about, you shoot them in the f***ing head. Hell, I'll do it for free. See? There, that was less than a dollar for the bullet, and I did it for free, you just saved yourself $2 million." Now although it's still not as cost effective as it could be to actually kill someone, the real costs aren't in the execution itself, I know at least this much. First off, I'd like to know where the hell all that money goes, seriously. How much are how many people paid for the death of one individual to allocate to that amount? Secondly, give your thoughts on imprisonment/executions in general (US or otherwise), I'd do it now, but I'm gonna go work out, I'll post a bit later. |
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Wurl 4.0 Level: 18  Posts: 86/244 EXP: 27558 For next: 2339 Since: 09-11-05 From: Illinois: Land of Eternal Desert Since last post: 11 hours Last activity: 10 hours |
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| In Japan, the hang people. Hardcore. | |||
Tamarin Calanis We exist. Earth exists. The universe exists. Do we really need to know why? Level: 59 Posts: 1647/1802 EXP: 1672751 For next: 377 Since: 07-12-04 From: The gas station on the corner... Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| I posted a topic about the death sentence a while back, where there was some discussion. It would be a bump to post in it now, but it could be a good read for a general opinion from some board members, so here's a link. Now, I'd be all for decapitation myself. All you'd need to cover is the cost of occasionally sharpening the blade, and paying the executioner, I would assume. Of course, supposedly the head still lives for a while, and we all know that we can't let serial rapists and serial killers suffer, oh no, that'd be unacceptable... I'm in favor of the death penalty (as you can probably guess), but only when there's absolutely no doubt at all that the defendant killed the person/people. ... what a pleasant topic to discuss while I'm eating spaghetti with a red sauce and sausage chunks.  (edited by Tamarin Calanis on 09-26-05 09:14 PM) |
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Edea Red Goomba Level: 8 Posts: 31/36 EXP: 1824 For next: 363 Since: 08-23-05 Since last post: 11 days Last activity: 11 days |
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| Death, being the ultimate form of liberation, isn't exactly a punishment, even if it's painful in nature. Then again, our prison system sounds like a step up from where I'm living even now, and we pay for it in the U.S.. I dunno, I'm not exactly a vengeful person so killing someone, even if they did something I consider horrible, doesn't sit well with me. | |||
Snika Boo Level: 44  Posts: 724/916 EXP: 600678 For next: 10607 Since: 07-21-04 From: Freezing Cold Alaska! Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 2 days |
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| The death penalty is a strong one, but I am all for it if it is used under the right circumstances. I'm not saying that if you go out and rob a bank you should die, but if you kill another lifeform of equal being (such as a human), you should suffer the pain they did. I guess that a lifetime sentence for jail would suffice if someone only killed one person, but it should be a very unpleasent experience. If you go out to a preschool and kill all the children though, that should result in death for the person. I don't get why states are outlawing the death penalty... |
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Wurl 4.0 Level: 18 Posts: 88/244 EXP: 27558 For next: 2339 Since: 09-11-05 From: Illinois: Land of Eternal Desert Since last post: 11 hours Last activity: 10 hours |
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| There are two main reasons for outlawing the death penalty. 1. The prisons sysetm is supposed to reform and killing goes against that. (Not that many people elegible for death will be reformed...) 2. Life imprisonment is a worse punishmet. I'm against the death penalty, though it should be used in special cases or if an inmate requests it. I think life in prison is far worse than dying, but that's just me. However, I think there are bigger issues with prisons than the death penalty. |
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geeogree Bloober Level: 34  Posts: 416/448 EXP: 231583 For next: 22068 Since: 03-16-04 From: Calgary, Canada Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 11 hours |
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| maybe it's just me.... but I don't see a point in keeping a murderer or rapist alive with my tax dollars.... I don't really care if they suffered enough.... you want to end someone's life? then you don't deserve your own | |||
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Zer0wned Cheep-cheep Level: 17 Posts: 157/181 EXP: 21472 For next: 3271 Since: 08-16-05 From: Hermosa Beach, CA Since last post: 30 days Last activity: 30 days |
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| As stated in my initial point, it costs more to execute someone these days than it does to imprison them for life. Which I find utterly ridiculous. (edited by Zer0wned on 09-27-05 11:32 AM) |
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geeogree Bloober Level: 34 Posts: 417/448 EXP: 231583 For next: 22068 Since: 03-16-04 From: Calgary, Canada Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 11 hours |
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| how can it possibly cost more? 1 bullet to the head? chop the head off? uhm... drop an anvil on the person? I don't get how that can cost more....  |
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Wurl 4.0 Level: 18 Posts: 90/244 EXP: 27558 For next: 2339 Since: 09-11-05 From: Illinois: Land of Eternal Desert Since last post: 11 hours Last activity: 10 hours |
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Originally posted by geeogree It's called the prison staff pocketing money. |
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Koneko Flurry Level: 21  Posts: 202/256 EXP: 49237 For next: 706 Since: 06-11-05 From: Tartarus, tartarus, tartarus Since last post: 9 hours Last activity: 8 hours |
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| Hmmm... geeogree brings me to the executioner dilemma: 1. If you're willing to take someone's life, then you don't deserve your own. 2. Someone somewhere is obviously willing to take someone's life. 3. That person should be killed, as per #1. 4. Someone has to execute that person. 5. That person is willing to take someone's life. 6. The executioner must also be killed, as per #s 1 and 5. 7. Someone has to execute the executioner. So, that doesn't work, as you can work out just by reading this. Perhaps a solution would be to punish murderers with forced suicide. But all silliness aside, I would also like to know what that million goes towards. It wouldn't make sense for this to go towards paying anyone, as people payed per execution would logically try to ensure that there were plenty of people to be executed... The point of the death penalty in the first place is to scare people out of doing these horrible things, but being payed per kill would inspire one to instigate crime, thus nulling the purpose. So, no one is payed out of that million. What about the costs for, say, the chemicals used for lethal injections? Big doubt as to that costing THAT much money... I don't think the place of execution is responsible for paying the life insurance company or anything... Really, I don't know. |
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Zer0wned Cheep-cheep Level: 17 Posts: 160/181 EXP: 21472 For next: 3271 Since: 08-16-05 From: Hermosa Beach, CA Since last post: 30 days Last activity: 30 days |
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| One word: Lawyers. People will defend their life well, to the death. Lawyers ain't cheap, win or lose, and the average court time for a death sentence trial is roughly 30 days. Like I said, actually killing them is not why it costs so much, it's all the shit beforehand. |
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Danielle Local Moderator  Level: 76  Posts: 2626/3359 EXP: 3958078 For next: 47982 Since: 09-15-04 From: RATE Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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| Another reason it costs so much is the time it takes.. people can be sitting on death row for their entire lives, and that costs money. That whole time, the people have to have a lawyer, ect. It just adds up. I'm against the death penalty, though I can't really explain why. I don't think threatening with death is going to stop anyone. Half the people sentenced to it don't even get it anyway. They spend their entire lives eating up money on death row, or they find a way out of it. Lifelong time in prison, with no bail, would be enough for me. Prison without benefits like TV. |
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Wurl 4.0 Level: 18 Posts: 92/244 EXP: 27558 For next: 2339 Since: 09-11-05 From: Illinois: Land of Eternal Desert Since last post: 11 hours Last activity: 10 hours |
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Danielle Local Moderator Level: 76 Posts: 2633/3359 EXP: 3958078 For next: 47982 Since: 09-15-04 From: RATE Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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They get internet?  Yeah, that's where they need to draw the line. Those people are in line to DIE for a crime. They shouldn't get anything but food and drink, and a few pair of ugly clothes. |
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Bella Ludwig Von Koopa You're Gonna Love Me Level: 76  Posts: 2546/2962 EXP: 3891483 For next: 114577 Since: 03-29-04 From: Groovy Way Since last post: 8 min. Last activity: 6 min. |
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| Death row eats up the government money. Yeah, they get a lot of things in prison. I've heard that some people would rather be in prison because they get food, a place to live, breathe, they even take classes, TV, basically they get the works. They shouldn't get anything but food, a toliet and a bed, with used clothes. But yeah, I'd say the money goes to the person who is willing to take someones life since that was asked. Well, that's what I think and the lawyers. I agree with what Zer0wned said that its basically what's before-hand that takes up most of the money. |
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Arwon Zora Level: 35  Posts: 487/506 EXP: 278115 For next: 1821 Since: 03-15-04 From: Terra Australis Incognita Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 10 min. |
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| I agree, Danielle, we totally need to, like, torture people and make them suffer. The justice system's not about protecting the public or rehabilitating people, it's about REVENGE AND TORTURE. | |||
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Tamarin Calanis We exist. Earth exists. The universe exists. Do we really need to know why? Level: 59 Posts: 1651/1802 EXP: 1672751 For next: 377 Since: 07-12-04 From: The gas station on the corner... Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| Well, it's better than giving them unneeded luxuries. Prison's not supposed to be a vacation, after all. Give them the essentials and that's all they should get. I believe the phrase is "crime and punishment". Seems that some people forget the second part. I mean, yeah, rehabilitate them when you can, but even then there should still be an element of punishment there. |
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Danielle Local Moderator Level: 76 Posts: 2640/3359 EXP: 3958078 For next: 47982 Since: 09-15-04 From: RATE Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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Originally posted by Arwon Nah, it should be about pampering them as though they were in a retirement home or something. After all, they're only criminals. |
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Wurl 4.0 Level: 18 Posts: 97/244 EXP: 27558 For next: 2339 Since: 09-11-05 From: Illinois: Land of Eternal Desert Since last post: 11 hours Last activity: 10 hours |
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Originally posted by Tamarin Calanis Being locked in a cell, even with small luxeries, then a shower with ass raping over and over gets boring as hell. |
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