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Error Red Paragoomba Level: 13  Posts: 5/54 EXP: 9430 For next: 837 Since: 04-16-04 Since last post: 540 days Last activity: 339 days |
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| Right now I have a really crappy GeForce 2 MX DDR graphics card.. Well I want to step it up so I can play Unreal 2004 and ET. I was hoping I could find one in the 50-60 dollar price range.. Anyone know of any good cards within that range? (edited by Error on 04-17-04 02:10 AM) |
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kitty Come on babe, pet the pussy ;) Level: 70 Posts: 666/2449 EXP: 2962406 For next: 53405 Since: 03-15-04 From: Scranton, PA, USA Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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| No. There is no such thing as a "Good" video card under $80. You MIGHT get a GeForce4 Ti somewhere around $80. Otherwise, in your range, they all suck ass, the best (If you can get one that cheap) being a GF4MX, then going downhill from there to the FX 5200 and Radeon SE's at the bottom of the pile. Of course, if your CPU is less than 1GHz, UT2K4 is a pipe dream. |
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Error Red Paragoomba Level: 13 Posts: 6/54 EXP: 9430 For next: 837 Since: 04-16-04 Since last post: 540 days Last activity: 339 days |
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| I really wouldn't TOUCH an ATI as they have piss poor Linux support.. heh... http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=697013&Sku=E145-5200&CatId=1091 That's the card Im looking at.. Nvidia's drivers aren't top notch but they're allright. EDIT: I also might wait a lil bit and pick this up: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=84768&Sku=D10-2006&CatId=1091 EDIT 2: I have an AMD Athlon XP 2000+ 1.6ghz, ;P I should hope it can play Unreal2k4 (edited by Error on 04-17-04 06:20 AM) (edited by Error on 04-17-04 06:30 AM) |
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Reid Hardhat Beetle Level 50 Bitches. Level: 37  Posts: 90/558 EXP: 322182 For next: 16071 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Well if you want to blow $90 or so then get this bad boy... http://www.imagestore.us/product.asp?pf_id=HY%2DFX5500%2D256M You should really play games on either Windows Xp or Mac OS X. If you play them on a XP machine then you can get a Radeon 9600 256 MB ram (NOT SE)... SO you are looking into spending about $100 dollars to even do anything about your video... I have a Radeon 9100 128MB and it runs everything fine just sometimes a little slow it's not the best but it is under $60 at certian places... |
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Error Red Paragoomba Level: 13 Posts: 8/54 EXP: 9430 For next: 837 Since: 04-16-04 Since last post: 540 days Last activity: 339 days |
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| Why would I want to run an inferior OS to the one I currently use just for a piece of hardware I don't want? | |||
Clockworkz Birdo  "Hoargh! Take your shoes off!" Level: 64  Posts: 601/2002 EXP: 2188320 For next: 25777 Since: 03-15-04 From: Undisclosed Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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| Oh, just shell out the extra cash for a Radeon 9000. | |||
Avardo Cheep-cheep Level: 23  Posts: 136/184 EXP: 61004 For next: 6719 Since: 03-15-04 From: England Since last post: 547 days Last activity: 149 days |
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| Correct me if the following name is wrong... Don't have any references to double check but: MSI Nvidia GeForce FX5200 128mb Graphics card I think that's right... But anyways... It costs about |
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kitty Come on babe, pet the pussy ;) Level: 70 Posts: 671/2449 EXP: 2962406 For next: 53405 Since: 03-15-04 From: Scranton, PA, USA Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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| Ok, first off, there is no such thing as an FX 5500. I would say the MFG overclocked a 5200 and called it that. False advertising. Now, for the cards listed (and some not), performance levels for comparison, from lowest FPS to highest (note: ATi Radeon cards are "8500" and "9x00", nVidia GeForce cards are GF FX, MX, and Ti). Comparison is an average of what you'd get in an array of games, not one specific one, but this is a good guide for say UT2K4. 9200SE < 9200 < 5200 < 5200 Ultra < 9000 < 9100 < 8500 < GF3 < 9600SE < 9600 < GF4 MX < 9500 < GF FX 5600 < 9600 Pro < GF FX 5700 Ultra < GF4 Ti 4x00 < GF FX 5600 Ultra < GF FX 5700 Ultra < 9600 XT < 9500 Pro So on, to more expensive cards far out of your range. Prices do NOT match performance, and RAM doesn't matter nearly as much as most people think: a 128MB 9200SE gets its ass fucking kicked by a 64MB GF4 Ti200! Anything lower than a GeForce 4 MX will CHOKE in UT2K4. It may play UT2K3 barely, but 30FPS would be the MAX at 640x480 16-bit color. To play it decently (800x600, 32-bit) you would need at least a GF4 MX to maintain a decent framerate, and even that will get rather low at many points - The first card in the list that would do halfway decent in it is a 9600 Pro. It could handle 1024x768, and MAYBE some antialiasing. A 9600 XT, 9500 Pro, and above would be the best for UT2K4. You're talking about a game released this year. A 9200SE is about 3-4 year old technology, which was sub-par when it came out (Radeon 8500), and the 9200SE is only a MORE neutered version of it! Anything with a number of 9200 or less by ATi performs less than or equal to a Radeon 8500. The GF FX 5200 is a DirectX 9 card, so it is better than the 9200SE (DX 7), but it cannot play DX 9 games at any decent framerates either. Look for terms like "Pro", "Ti", and "Ultra" and if it doesn't say it, don't buy it. Terms like "SE" or "MX" or the lack of "pro" or "ultra" mean the card is slower than its similarly named cousin by 20-50%. Usually, what ATi does with SE cards is cut the bandwidth of the cards by a factor of at least 2. nVidia usually just lowers clock speeds. |
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kitty Come on babe, pet the pussy ;) Level: 70 Posts: 672/2449 EXP: 2962406 For next: 53405 Since: 03-15-04 From: Scranton, PA, USA Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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Originally posted by ErrorWell, you can't complain about not being able to play games or poor driver support if it's so superior, right? I don't want to get into a huge Linux Vs. Windows argument here. Windows is the best DESKTOP OS, PERIOD. Linux is the best SERVER OS, PERIOD. |
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Error Red Paragoomba Level: 13 Posts: 9/54 EXP: 9430 For next: 837 Since: 04-16-04 Since last post: 540 days Last activity: 339 days |
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| Yiffy Kitten you're just plain wrong.. ATI offers drivers for linux they just suck. I can do pretty much anything a Windows user can not to mention far more effeciently. And with newbie distros such as Mandrake and Redha anyone can pick it up and use it. The thing that makes linux shine is how flexible it is; server or desktop use it just shines over-all. And as for BEST DSSKTOP OS going to Windows; you're crazy. MacOS is what I'd prefer if I didn't use Linux. |
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kitty Come on babe, pet the pussy ;) Level: 70 Posts: 696/2449 EXP: 2962406 For next: 53405 Since: 03-15-04 From: Scranton, PA, USA Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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| You contradicted yourself. If ATi's driver support for Linux is "piss-poor" then how can you be nearly as "efficient" with Linux as you can with Windows? Let's say you're in 3D Studio Max and you have a FireGL, would you run Windows or Linux? Which would be more efficient? And no, people can't just "Pick it up and use it" as you say. Unless it's changed drastically since I last used Mandrake, the file browser still sucks ass, the whole directory naming scheme is overly complex, the way to install and uninstall programs is assinine, and it's way overcomplicated to change even the simplest system settings - fonts, sounds, etc. People will NEVER put up with that shit. Most people view the computer as a tool that should be quick and easy to use. Turn it on, go surf the internet. If the average user ever had to use a terminal, they'd throw the fucking PC out the window. Windows is the best because not only is it the easiest, it's the most supported, and at this point, the fastest. You can NOT game in Linux like you can in Windows, even if you use WINE or some shit, it'll be a fuckload slower than Windows. Why would you use Wine anyway? You're contradicting yourself if you do! If Linux is so great, why do you need to emulate Windows? |
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Error Red Paragoomba Level: 13 Posts: 10/54 EXP: 9430 For next: 837 Since: 04-16-04 Since last post: 540 days Last activity: 339 days |
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| I'm sorry but you obviously don't know ANYTHING about linux.. Linux has NO default file browser nor GUI. I use GNOME as my desktop / file browser / etc. Or you can switch over KDE which has a totally diffrent desktop / file browser. And as far as the file system I find it ALOT easier than Window's spastic ways. /home/mike How long is yours.. I know it can't be that short.. to be honest it's been a while since I've used windows. As far as the rest of it goes.. There is a linux distro called Gobo linux which changes it to be more like Windows-ish. As far as changing system settings you're just plain nuts. Mandrake has the BEST Control Center of ANY OS I've ever seen. It even has a build in Hard Drive GUI partitioner and over-all hardware manager. And installing software? HAH! Urpmi solves THAT "urpmi mozilla" would install Mozilla on Mandrake. I use gentoo so i would do 'emerge mozilla' to compile it from source. I'm sorry your points on gaming are just plain wrong. Alot of games will have 100% linux ports. Alot of software are making changes to run perfectly in wine. Dreamweaver allready has and are getting ready for a FULL port to linux. Wine is alot better than you think. You obviously have no experience with WineX. While not perfect it's not "piss poor slow". Also, About using Terminals and stuff. I find it faster than using a GUI but that's just me. But heh during the time I used Mandrake I didn't touch the console much. And people offering piss poor driver support is a way of life. Even in windows. And just for the record. I save more time in linux than windows. I don't deal with viruses and random software errors. Any errors I've gotten have been user error. I'd prefer my problems to be of my own and not my OS. |
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kitty Come on babe, pet the pussy ;) Level: 70 Posts: 701/2449 EXP: 2962406 For next: 53405 Since: 03-15-04 From: Scranton, PA, USA Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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| Last time I used linux, the default directory was not like that, IIRC. Yes, the "Documents and Settings" name may be annoying to type out (Documents and Settings/Axia), but I don't need to, and IF I cared about it, I could change it to User/Axia and I'm sure it'd be easier to do than it would be for you in Linux. But I don't need to type it anyway. See, Windows is 100% GUI, Linux is not. For example: "urpmi mozilla" I assume that means you don't double-click a file to install, rather, you must type a command in a terminal window. And how do you uninstall it? How do you expect people to know this command installs on Linux? FAR LESS than 90% of PC users will NEVER want to go through this just to install a program. Double click an app, click next a few times, and it's installed - that's what I like, it's what 90% of users need. Linux is fine for servers or workstations. People who code don't need fancy GUIs for everything or memory-hogging stuff like Windows has. They also don't mind typing commands. I would imagine a Linux compiler to be better than a Windows one. Gnome and KDE had different browsers yes, and they both sucked ass. It was archaic. No column views, no sort by options, no thumbnails for pictures. Linux has millenia to go on the desktop. When ALL applications install by double-clicking an exe or autorunning a CD, when you can right click in a browser and select "Set as wallpaper" (although I never do, no idea if Linux has it, but A LOT of people use it), when you can say that all hardware is supported as well as it is within windows, when all software has a Linux port that's as fast and stable as its Windows counterpart, when all games run as flawlessly on Linux as they would on Windows (and no game would ever run flawlessly), and when killing any process, even invisible ones, is attainable in Ctrl+Alt+Del in the Task Manager, I MIGHT give it another shot. What happens in Linux if a game crashes? Can you still return to the OS? In Windows, most of the time you can - it will crash back to the desktop or you can Ctrl+Alt+Del out of it. But if you can't kill it in Linux, how can you return to the OS? And you can't tell me you've never had any apps hang in Linux. They wouldn't make an XKill program if it weren't needed. And like I said, why would you need Wine if Windows is inferior and "Alot of games will have 100% linux ports." Will? And who is going to code these ports? Not the people who wrote the game. Linux users wouldn't pay for it. Everything should be free to them. (edited by Yiffy Kitten on 04-19-04 02:27 AM) |
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kitty Come on babe, pet the pussy ;) Level: 70 Posts: 702/2449 EXP: 2962406 For next: 53405 Since: 03-15-04 From: Scranton, PA, USA Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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Looks like a built-in GUI for more than just hard drive partitioning  |
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Error Red Paragoomba Level: 13 Posts: 11/54 EXP: 9430 For next: 837 Since: 04-16-04 Since last post: 540 days Last activity: 339 days |
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| Linux allready has a good start game wise. Once I pick up my card I'm picking up Unreal 2004 (woot woot!) As for the whole GUI thing.. I love the GNOME desktop. I use it. It works. I don't want to get into what we got into on IRC but you get the picture. The point of this thread has been filled and can be closed. |
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HyperLamer <||bass> and this was the soloution i thought of that was guarinteed to piss off the greatest amount of people Sesshomaru Tamaranian Level: 118 Posts: 436/8210 EXP: 18171887 For next: 211027 Since: 03-15-04 From: Canada, w00t! LOL FAD Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Well I was just going to tell you both to stop arguing (Linux > Windoze in some ways, Windoze is better in others, live with it) but if you've already got your answer, may as well close it. |
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