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ErkDog Fuzz Ball Level: 47  Posts: 943/982 EXP: 752190 For next: 14013 Since: 03-15-04 From: Richmond, VA Since last post: 40 days Last activity: 19 days |
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| I am not advertising, I am discussing furthermore, I USED TO HOST this board I know EXACTLY how much resources it uses. Fiftypounds was not the "horrible" host the "horrible" host was overclocked My server performed marvellously They stopped using me as a host because I added a get firefox banner to the bottom of the page amongst other things. I don't really care, whatever, but I just wanted to point out that this forum would be fine on a $10 hosting account, it's resource use is nowhere on the order of 200 a month. a 40 dedicated server would service this forum... but a $10 shared hosting account would... This forum could live at lunarpages easily and like I said it's $8 a month there.... so... don't... be ... fooled..... |
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blackhole89 LOLSEALS Moderator of ROM hacking EmuNET IRC network admin Head GM of TwilightRO Level: 47  Posts: 881/971 EXP: 739208 For next: 26995 Since: 03-15-04 From: Dresden/Germany Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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| Sticking advertising banners on the bottom of your clients without their prior, explicite agreement is inacceptable behaviour for a web host. But you probably know that. Also, tRO -does- use less resources than the board. It used to use more when everybody downloaded the new client, but that was just a local high. And $200 for the server IS too much. We could get these specs for at least half the money. |
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ErkDog Fuzz Ball Level: 47 Posts: 944/982 EXP: 752190 For next: 14013 Since: 03-15-04 From: Richmond, VA Since last post: 40 days Last activity: 19 days |
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| Furthermore, if bass wants to claim the forum is using some crazy amount of bandwidth (which it is not) have him provide publically the link for webstats. As I mentioned previously, in all the time Acmlm's forum was on my server it NEVER used more than 15 Gigs in any particular month. The total of ALL my personal sites and ALL my customer's sites was at MOST 78 Gigs as outlined Here http://webstats.fiftypounds.com/webalizer/AllDomains/ Several of those months INCLUDE when I was still hosting ACMLM's forum. Furthermore, ever since Acmlm left my site some little shit bricks have been pointlessly downloading large files from my server in an attempt to drive me over my bandwidth limit. Good luck, becuase unlike Bass would like you to believe, bandwidth is not expensive and I have more of it than you could ever plan to suck up with your little distributed HTTP Gets. Now, As you can clearly see 78 Gigs.... Including distributed DOS Attacks against my server. Either the adminstration makes horrible purchasing decisions, or they are being unclear about WHAT exactly they need money for. It is obviously the latter of the two. And I am merely pointing this out. This FORUM does not need 200 a month to stay alive. The server the admins want to play with needs 200 a month to stay alive, and they are exploiting your loyalty and violating the trust you place in them as admins by claiming the FORUM needs it. I have only seen two dedicated servers in my LIFE that have come with less than 100 Gigs of bandwidth. And CERTAINLY not a server that costs 200 a month. So if bandwidth is a concern for the adminstration of this forum, it's becuase they are using it for something else BESIDES this forum, as I have clearly proven time and time again. blackhole stop arguing irrelevant points, why Acmlm is no longer hosted on my server is completely immaterial to the discussion at hand, which is that the adminstration of this forum claims that they need money for bandwidth to run this forum, which is --not true-- so I'm not even going to dignify your frivilous comments regarding me placing a FIREFOX advertisement when the entire administration of this forum as well as most of it's members support and advocate it's use. And like I said, amongst other things, but all of which are immaterial to this discussion. |
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Bit-Blade Pixel Artist Level: 34  Posts: 362/445 EXP: 229264 For next: 24387 Since: 03-16-04 Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 7 hours |
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| *spelling nazi* You mean "unacceptable". Moving right along. I'd been wondering about all this. Frankly, this place doesn't strike me as the kind that would try to cash in on its users with some kind of bullshit charity, but what reason COULD there be? Could one of the admins have some kind of debt and a lack of financial resources/options? Pretty much all that's needed to be said already has. I thank you for enlightening me. It's important to get a more realistic scope on a situation (which is what this thread is doing), although I will admit there may be factors we aren't taking into account. |
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ErkDog Fuzz Ball Level: 47 Posts: 945/982 EXP: 752190 For next: 14013 Since: 03-15-04 From: Richmond, VA Since last post: 40 days Last activity: 19 days |
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| bit-blade it is nothing that complicated. I'm sure the server this board is on costs 200 a month. All I'm pointing out is that the forum in and of itself does not even come close to taxing that server. If it does then the administration needs to evaluate whom they choose as a vendor. I have a dual xeon 2.8 ghz with 2 gigs of ddr and ridicubandwidth for 250 Also I used to host this forum. And I maintain dozens of websites. And all of them put together plus acmlm's board never used more than 80 gigs of bandwidth and my hardware was barely tickled. In addition I ran 2 game servers and an ircd process on the same server. As well as hundreds of email accounts. Now I'm not close to using all of my hardware resources or bandwidth with ALL OF THAT considered. And the administration of this forum would have you believe that this forum alone needs 200 a month to stay alive? Something is wrong with that picture no matter what angle or light you look at it in. The admins want you to subsidise their toy. If they don't have the money to pay for the server they want to play with, that's their problem, not yours. This forim would be fine on lunarpages or any one of other dozens of wenhosts for 10 or less a month. |
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blackhole89 LOLSEALS Moderator of ROM hacking EmuNET IRC network admin Head GM of TwilightRO Level: 47 Posts: 883/971 EXP: 739208 For next: 26995 Since: 03-15-04 From: Dresden/Germany Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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| If you don't do Firefoxpropaganda, I am sure the admins might consider being hosted by you again. You know, I use Firefox as well... and it is certainly not something that is worth to be taken for godlike. Also, tRO still needs a host. |
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ErkDog Fuzz Ball Level: 47 Posts: 946/982 EXP: 752190 For next: 14013 Since: 03-15-04 From: Richmond, VA Since last post: 40 days Last activity: 19 days |
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| Blackhole, no they wouldn't, lol And I offered to sell emuz ro hosting for 35 a month at one time. And still would. I do not play ro, nor would I ever, so I could assure you I would not touch that whatsoever... Anyway they probably wouldn't do that either just out of spite and contempt toward me. But they could, so they'd pay 35 for ro and 10 for hosting the board somewhere else. That's only 45 a month, but they aren't asking tro ppl for money for the tro server That's the point blackhole Bass is posting announcements indicating the FORUM needs 200 a month which is a mistruth at best if not an outright lie... I know for a friggin fact it would require nothing more than a 10 dollar hosting account somewhere. But certainly nothing on the order of 200 a month. |
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HyperLamer <||bass> and this was the soloution i thought of that was guarinteed to piss off the greatest amount of people Sesshomaru Tamaranian Level: 118 Posts: 6955/8210 EXP: 18171887 For next: 211027 Since: 03-15-04 From: Canada, w00t! LOL FAD Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Erk, you fucked with the code and layout and set the DNS cache timeout to a week. Why do you think we would even consider going back to your server? And if your system is so great why did you bitch every time we wanted to add a feature that it would use up too much bandwidth? Your "ub3r-1337 s3rv3r" can't handle an RSS feed? Please. And just shut up with your "I know places that can host the board for 2 cents a month" crap. I know places that could host it for free. Do you think they're any good? Hell no. | |||
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Glyph Phoenix Level: 39  Posts: 557/745 EXP: 385876 For next: 18895 Since: 11-07-04 Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by HyperHacker He doesn't. |
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knuck Hinox Banned until 19-58-5815: trolling, flaming, spamming, being a general fucktard... Level: 62 Posts: 1498/1818 EXP: 1894574 For next: 90112 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 9 hours |
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Originally posted by HyperHackerHe was worried about CPU cycles when it comes to RSS feeds. And HyperHacker, he does not want to host Acmlm's again. I find it funny how you're defending a server that is less stable than fiftypounds just for the hell of "lol erk sucks". But hey, this is Acmlm's. |
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ErkDog Fuzz Ball Level: 47 Posts: 947/982 EXP: 752190 For next: 14013 Since: 03-15-04 From: Richmond, VA Since last post: 40 days Last activity: 19 days |
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| the DNS Cache timeout for a week is actually pretty low, most places use much higher than 1 week. All my other zones are one MONTH, but hey, maybe if you raised the TTL you woudln't use so much bandwidth, we all know DNS traffic is negligible though, but anyway.... I know ALOT of you use Lunarpages, are you saying Lunarpages sucks? I used them for a while, they performed better than I had expected to. and yeah, knuck it is ... people don't have to make sense or have an actual point when they argue about something, all they have to do is pick some random nonsense that has nothing to do with anything other than the person they are talking to and say it, lol. I'm not even going to bother having the conversation about RSS feeds again because it HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS TOPIC OF DISCUSSION AND IS COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY IRRELEVANT. I didn't fuck with any code, matter of fact, people continually asked me to do things that I refused to do because Acmlm did not tell me I, or they, could do them. Finally Jesper harassed me to the point that we started developing anyway. None of the code I ever wrote went into Acmlmboard that Jesper didn't know about or look at. The ONLY exception to this was the goddamn Firefox banner I added, again all of which is moot and it's not even "code" it was 40 characters of HTML. |
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Lilmario Hoarder crappy custom title! Level: 31  Posts: 298/367 EXP: 171741 For next: 13622 Since: 03-15-04 From: The land of Leprachauns <3 Since last post: 9 hours Last activity: 8 hours |
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These arguments are so silly  Truth is, most of the users on the board can't/won't donate anyway, so who cares what the cost is? The only people who will REALLY actually consider donating are the veterans (I could count, I've been here 3 years+, but I have no money so meh) so it wont matter to the majority of users. It's sad, but true! I dunno if that's the REAL cost, if it isn't, boohoo, we've been lied to, get over it. |
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Emptyeye Real American Level: 67 Posts: 2190/2273 EXP: 2488421 For next: 104451 Since: 05-24-04 From: I DUNNOOOOOOOO!! Since last post: 9 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| I'll say only this much: Lately, I've been able to browse the board for about ten pages or so, at which point it would stubbornly refuse to load another page until I went to another site and came back a few minutes later. Granting that my college connection isn't as great as it could be, but all other sites load fine in that timeframe. Draw your own conclusions. ALSO: Given that the topic is still open, I presume someone agreed with me in the "where the hell did two admins see 'blatant advertising'?" department. But that's unrelated to the discussion at hand, which I'm frankly not qualified to partake in besides what I've relayed above--I don't have access to bandwidth numbers, etc, and as such as no way to check one person's word against another's. I DO agree that some sort of public access to the numbers would be nice. |
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ErkDog Fuzz Ball Level: 47 Posts: 948/982 EXP: 752190 For next: 14013 Since: 03-15-04 From: Richmond, VA Since last post: 40 days Last activity: 19 days |
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| Well I showed you what my server uses, and there's no way that Acmlm's board by itself uses more resources than my ENTIRE customer base and myself. And I reitterate the fact that I used to host acmlm's board, so I know what it uses which can't possibly be much more than 15 gigs .... Especially if they bothered to turn gzip compression on that certainly would help alot. But even with gzip off some basic math reveals the following... the HTML portion of a 20 page thread is approximately 60K compressed it's 7K so 60K let's say. Now EVERY page load isn't a 20 page thread view, and so the average would be far far less than 60k per hit.... moving right along.... let's work with the number 100 Gigs, which for a dedicated server is NOTHING and a server that costs 200 dollars should come with about 1500 gigs at least anyway.... 100 gigs.... 104857600 KiloBYTES divided by 60 1747626.6666666666666666666666667 1.8 MILLION 20 page thread views, and we already established that the average woudl be far LESS than 60K per thread view, but for the sake of argument.... 1.8 MILLION per month..... would be 100 Gigs of bandwdith.... now this number would be 12 GIGS per month if they turned gzip on.. but let's stay on track with this analogy... 1.8 MILLION 20 page thread views.... since it was recreated this forum has 18 MILLION Views counting ALL Pages, Again most of which are NOT 20 page thread views.... The forum was recreated 03-14-04 04:26 PM (544 days ago) There.... 3-14-04 so roughly 18 months ago..... now.... you take 18 Million divided by 18 and you come up with 1 Million. That's LESS than 1.8 Million and actually only 60 GIGS per month But wait .... that would only be SIX Gigs if they simply turned gzip compression on.... and gzip compression adds minor CPU overhead... how do I know this? Because I've run webservers for about 6 years now, always w/ gzip turned on. This benefits the client and the end user. If you are on dialup and you hit a 20 page thread view you have to wait like 15 seconds tfor it to load, versus TWO if gzip is on. I can only question the sanity of an individual who does not leave GZip enabled. But to reitterate the theoretical maximum bandwidth this forum should use is 60 Gigs per month, which could actually be reduced to SIX. Also I'm aware I did not include imagery in that analogy but it's still close enough. (edited by ErkDog on 09-09-05 06:17 PM) |
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Alastor the Stylish Hey! I made a cool game! It's called "I poisoned half the food, so if you eat you might die!" Have a taco.  Level: 114  Posts: 7251/7620 EXP: 16258468 For next: 51099 Since: 03-15-04 From: Oregon, US Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by ErkDog... Wait, what? This is not 2004, Erk  Edit: ... Uh. Okay I see he edited logic in to his post. Nevermind. (edited by Alastor the Stylish on 09-09-05 06:23 PM) (edited by Alastor the Stylish on 09-09-05 06:24 PM) |
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ErkDog Fuzz Ball Level: 47 Posts: 951/982 EXP: 752190 For next: 14013 Since: 03-15-04 From: Richmond, VA Since last post: 40 days Last activity: 19 days |
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| yeah you'd think I'd see the 500 some odd days and that woudl clue me into the fact that it was more a year.... something else I"d like to reference from Bass's announcement... "Bandwidth isn't free and we're using more then ever before." Why? Acmlm's board had far more posts per day when I hosted it than it does now I see 425 over the last 24 hrs.... It was usually above 600 when I hosted it. Regardless the activity since the board was re-created has remained pretty static and constant, so why are you using "more than ever before" The amount of resources this forum consumes could never logically be more than $10 a month. Any person who charged more than $10 to host this forum is robbing you. Let's go out on a limb and say as much as $25 dollars a month... since when is 25 dollars "lots and lots of money" Why does this forum need "lots and lots of money" to stay alive? Ohh wait it doesn't.... it doesn't.... I loose $175 a month on my business, I wouldn't call that lots and lots of money much less 25.... Lunarpages sells hosting for 7.95 a month which provies 3000 Megs of storage and 40 Gigs of Bandwidth. I have conclusively proven (and know since I --USED TO HOST IT--) that Acmlm's forum does not and never will use more than 40 Gigs of bandwidth in any given month, so really all this forum NEEDS to stay alive is $8 dollars. Someone please tell me how that is "lots and lots of money" ? |
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 10420/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| Why? Acmlm's board had far more posts per day when I hosted it than it does now I see 425 over the last 24 hrs.... It was usually above 600 when I hosted it. Board was down for about 11 hours or so from midnight. All your daily stats. |
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Valcion YOU WA SHOCK Level: 50  Posts: 1052/1139 EXP: 939607 For next: 7710 Since: 03-15-04 From: internets. Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| lol, I'd expect this out of acmlm's. | |||
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get.  Level: 73  Posts: 2537/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Regardless of how much money needs to be raised for hosting, I still think that the community needs to consider donation or something if they expect that this place continues to run. It's unfair of us as users to expect that this all be paid for by certain staff members. However, I would appreciate it if ||bass or somebody could let us know what's going on in regards to all of this a little more. I do feel a little bit left in the dark as to how much money is needed, etc. |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101  Posts: 5212/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| Valcion, how dare you downplay this most significant event?! (edited by Legion on 09-09-05 09:49 PM) |
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