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| Acmlm's Board - I2 Archive - World Affairs / Debate - Hurricane Katrina: Where's the foreign support? |
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NSNick Laidback Admin Level: 85  Posts: 3545/3875 EXP: 5895841 For next: 2699 Since: 03-15-04 From: North Side School: OSU Since last post: 9 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| I dunno, because this has rendered one of the biggest ports of the United States inoperable, affecting much more of the populous than those living in the Gulf area. | |||
alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 5247/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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I'm still going with the 1906 earthquake. That one was pretty nasty and levelled San Fran for a good while  (edited by alte Hexe on 09-02-05 02:30 AM) |
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Arwon Zora Level: 35  Posts: 448/506 EXP: 278115 For next: 1821 Since: 03-15-04 From: Terra Australis Incognita Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 10 min. |
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| Might be a bit early to make that call Ziff... guess we'll see. Christ what a mess. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 5257/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| I've had to reneg that idea that the 1906 was the worse. I said in another thread that New Orleans is going to be neigh impossible to rebuild...Yeah. The silt it was built on is eroding... | |||
Cirvante Shyguy Level: 14  Posts: 74/80 EXP: 10353 For next: 2718 Since: 04-07-05 From: The boulevard of broken dreams Since last post: 8 hours Last activity: 7 hours |
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Actually, the real question is "Where's the central government"s support?" Several countries have already sent doctors, engineers, and monetary aid; and Puerto Rico sent some of its National Guard because the U.S. doesn't have many available soldiers right now. The numbers speak for themselves: Amount of money spent on war (Iraq and Afghanistan)- $5.6B... a month. Amount of aid Bush sent to Katrina victims: $10B total. ^^That doesn't even cover HALF the damage to infrastructure, not counting individual losses. |
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Thayer Fuzz Ball Level: 38  Posts: 239/988 EXP: 349428 For next: 21019 Since: 06-28-05 Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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| However, if you take into consideration how long the US has been entrenched in both Afghanistan and Iraq, your numbers would tell a different story. Realize the aid sent so far to the Katrina victims is preliminary, there is likely to be subsequent aid in the coming days, weeks, and months (and yes, possibly years as well) as damage assessment continues, and as demolition and rebuilding begins. | |||
geeogree Bloober Level: 34  Posts: 401/448 EXP: 231583 For next: 22068 Since: 03-16-04 From: Calgary, Canada Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 11 hours |
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| I must be an asshole and ask the question why do other countries owe the Katrina survivors any money? why do we have to help pay to rebuild that city? why does Bush get flack for not paying for everyone to rebuild their homes? |
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Thayer Fuzz Ball Level: 38 Posts: 257/988 EXP: 349428 For next: 21019 Since: 06-28-05 Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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Originally posted by geeogree Why should the US pay other countries any support when they have a natural disaster? |
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rouki Micro-Goomba Level: 7 Posts: 10/12 EXP: 1014 For next: 434 Since: 03-17-04 Since last post: 55 days Last activity: 3 days |
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| Where the hell have you been? Tons of countries have offered help, but Condie said they'll just wait and see before they accept "the best offers". It's all about big politics and diplomacy. And have you already forgotten about Sept. 11? The world was there for Americans on that day. But the U.S. have acted like such bullies since then, I would consider the rest of the world sending ONE CENT to be a significant gesture of compassion!! Compassion for Americans run by such a lousy administration it can barely support its own country in a time of crisis. Who was the president when Osama bin Laden threatened to attack American soil, and then slammed to jet planes in the WTC? Oh that's right, he was reelected in 2004... Anyway, look for "foreign aid" on Google, there's plenty of information. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/04/international/americas/04offers.html |
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knuck Hinox Banned until 19-58-5815: trolling, flaming, spamming, being a general fucktard... Level: 62 Posts: 1486/1818 EXP: 1894574 For next: 90112 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 9 hours |
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Originally posted by geeogreeBecause US is the greatest country, the land of the free and brave amirite? |
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Jovis Octorok Level: 8  Posts: 25/34 EXP: 1587 For next: 600 Since: 08-30-05 From: North Country, New York Since last post: 56 days Last activity: 22 days |
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| The only things I have read up on aid from other countries was the US's refusal to let Canada help - here. (edited by Jovis on 09-06-05 03:57 PM) |
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Bella Ludwig Von Koopa You're Gonna Love Me Level: 76  Posts: 2153/2962 EXP: 3891483 For next: 114577 Since: 03-29-04 From: Groovy Way Since last post: 8 min. Last activity: 6 min. |
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Yeah, all I've heard about foreign support is the refusal from Canada. I wonder if they'll even except support. I didn't even expect them to get any offers for aid  |
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geeogree Bloober Level: 34 Posts: 402/448 EXP: 231583 For next: 22068 Since: 03-16-04 From: Calgary, Canada Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 11 hours |
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| this crisis shouldn't be about politics and government.... it should be about people who gives a flying fuck who the president is.... give support.... and save some lives.... |
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rouki Micro-Goomba Level: 7 Posts: 11/12 EXP: 1014 For next: 434 Since: 03-17-04 Since last post: 55 days Last activity: 3 days |
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Originally posted by geeogree And I suppose you think this administration will not think twice about WHO is offering the help, and what they might be expecting from the U.S. government in future talks? These countries don't expect anything in return, I suppose, but it's still about having better ties with the U.S. and in particular this administration. Now you can be sure the answers of the Bush administration regarding these offers will have less to do with real needs than with foreign affairs, diplomacy or the lack of it. The president is also worried about what kind of image he's sending to the rest of the world. If they start accepting all aid, even though there is need, the U.S. will look like a third-world country. It already does!! If you don't think all this comes into play - and I do think it's wrong - then you are deluding yourself. That's not to say the federal government is not doing its job, but politics are politics. I'm not saying it would be otherwise if Kerry was in power or something. But you're asking me to forget about politics and government in a time of humanitarian crisis. Well you can tell THAT to the administration!! They're the ones making the important decisions, saving lives OR letting people rot down there in New Orleans! As for the foreign aid not being news in the United States, that's the usual problem with the media. It's as if the rest of the world doesn't exist. Over 40 industrialized nations have offered aid, as well as poor countries who are usually on the receiving end. It's in all the papers. Maybe not on CNN or FOX News, though. rouki |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 5263/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Cuba wanted to send thousands of doctors and Venezuela wanted to send 11 million dollars and a huge amount of gasoline (already refined!). Of course, The Rice shot it all down. The White House LUUUUUUUUUURVES THE POOR! | |||
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rouki Micro-Goomba Level: 7 Posts: 12/12 EXP: 1014 For next: 434 Since: 03-17-04 Since last post: 55 days Last activity: 3 days |
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| Still, Ziffy (may I call you Ziffy? or do you prefer Old Witch?)... The Cuban and Venezuelian offers have to be some kind of joke!! As if the Bushies would accept anything from Fidel or Chavez. Funny old geezers... Still wondering why they won't accept our aid, though. |
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Cirvante Shyguy Level: 14 Posts: 76/80 EXP: 10353 For next: 2718 Since: 04-07-05 From: The boulevard of broken dreams Since last post: 8 hours Last activity: 7 hours |
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Because Bush is a power-hungry jerk who wants no less than total world domination, even if he has to sacrifice half his people to do so. And he's even more of an asshole because he won't accept aid from his rivals. To him, it's a matter of pride, of not having to humiliate himself to supposedly "weaker' countries. EDIT: On a happier note, due to pressure from religious and civil rights groups, and the efforts of the mayor of New Orleans, Bush has decided to increase the aid to $150 billion. |
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Thayer Fuzz Ball Level: 38 Posts: 417/988 EXP: 349428 For next: 21019 Since: 06-28-05 Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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Originally posted by Cirvante Okay... or you know, the first value was a preliminary aid package. I have this horrible feeling you're biased in a way that's really clouding your mental facilities. Remember, extremism is a bad thing, no matter what side you're on. ;o (edited by Thayer on 09-07-05 10:26 PM) |
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geeogree Bloober Level: 34 Posts: 407/448 EXP: 231583 For next: 22068 Since: 03-16-04 From: Calgary, Canada Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 11 hours |
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| maybe I'm a little confused.... but when was any of this Bush's fault? cause you all talk like this problem is his.... well, let's make something simple.... these people knew this was coming.... they had the chance to get out, and they chose to stay.... what happened isn't Bush's fault.... it was their own fault for staying there and getting stuck in it and don't act like those people are poor becuase of Bush. He hasn't been around long enough to be the cause of poverty in the area. |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101  Posts: 5186/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| I'm sorry, but could someone provide a link or two on the refusal of outside support? I can't find anything on CNN.com or google and I haven't heard of anything like that on the news. |
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