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Posted on 08-29-05 09:25 PM Link | Quote
So far 3 pumps have failed... yikes. When I got up to check it, the ONLY station (and half our stations are news channels, about 10 different ones at least) even mentioning katrina was CTV. They haven't gone off her subject yet. The superdome roof damage is 2 holes in the roof cased be debris that's cascading water into the dome, described as being like a waterfall by one person in there, and the people have been moved to another part of the stadium.
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Weather Channel hasn't mentioned anything about the Super Dome, but they have said downtown New Orleans is under about 3 feet of water. They also said that an apartment complex collapsed with people in it. MORONS! You CAN NOT HIDE FROM NATURE!

Buildings are damaged. Surge is flooding roads. Over in the tip of the panhandle of Florida, surge is coming over most sea walls, and MORONS are out in the water. They OBVIOUSLY have empty heads, since nature abhores a vacuum.

The eye is in the SSW part of Mississippi currently. Waiting for an update on things...

Still, things aren't anywhere NEAR as bad as the weather people thought they would be. Just goes to show: You can't trust weatherpeople to make accurate predictions (example: They've been saying it's gonna rain for the past week, yet it's been all sunny and hot. Yay Floida! ), and you can't predict Nature.

Just in from Weather Channel: French Quarter Damage
Water pooling in the strees.
Avoided catastrophic flooding.
Trees uprooted in Jackosn Sqaure.
St. Louis Cathedral statue damaged.
30 feet of ornamental fence ripped out.

Yeah, not as bad as they were predicting. Still, this was the 4th powerful storm to make landfall in the US.
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Yeah..when I woke up this morning went to watch the news and as soon as it hit land it went down to a Category 3 I believe..not sure... Yeah, I was thinking..is it really going to be as bad as they say? Usually they blow things out of proportion but you do have to prepare.

Better to be safe than sorry..like those people who stayed behind .. they should have left earlier..I guess they had certain circumstances.

My mom told me that the wind punctured the Superdome
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Yeah, TWC finally mentioned that the roof of the Superdome didn't hold up. All day yesterday, they kept saying, "The Superdome can withstand winds up to 200 MPH", and my wife kept saying, "But what about the roof?".

IIRC, they said downtown Mobile, AL is under 7-8 feet of water. They got more flooding than New Orleans. And they say there's more coming.
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Bella and Elric,

Yes, the parts of New Orleans we heard from were very fortunate. Just so you two know though, and I'm not trying to be blunt, but there are also parts that we haven't heard from for whatever reason. Those are the places I think we should be most concerned about. I heard that when Andrew hit in '92, nobody thought it did much at first because they weren't really hearing the reports from the badly hit areas. Only until they went in helicopters to survey the damage did they see how bad it really was. So I think it's very premature to quantify the amount of death and destruction this storm has caused.

Still, I think that it's not nearly as bad as it could have been. Just before it made landfall, I think there was an intrusion of dry air into the southwest side of Katrina. This is fairly usual for hurricanes, especially those that occur late in the season when those mid-latitude west-to-east winds start taking over again. When dry air goes into a hurricane, it cause some of the water to evaporate cooling the area where it is. This disrupts the development of tropical systems, which are warm-core storms. In cold-core storms however which have the fronts and stuff (the ones marked by a big L on the weather map and often have a cold front or something attached, the usual kind) an infusion of dry air would help strengthen the process. It has to do with the differences in the way warm- and cold-core storms develop. Also, Katrina went just a bit east, saving New Orleans from the worst. So, we were fairly fortunate.

Still, I think we would be very lucky if there were not at least dozens of deaths from this. I know that's blunt and everything, but I think that's just the truth.


(edited by beneficii on 08-29-05 04:21 PM)
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Posted on 08-30-05 01:58 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Anya
And normally, once a hurricane hits land, it will weaken. The stayed a Cat 1 all through Florida. They even thought it would hit my dad on the West Coast of Fla, and it missed. They thought it would then go into the Gulf and then hit the Panhandle, they were wrong again (feels a little like Andrew, actually). And then with the waters so freaking warm, of course it would explode into this insane natural event.


Well, at least when Katrina tagged FL, it could still feed off of the various bodies of water you've got down there, right?

Originally posted by Anya
Also, I don't think this was mentioned, but Christi, a board vet lives in LA, but reading from her blog, she's in another state right now and safe.


Actually, I think she's living in Mississippi. She did get the hell out of there in time, though. Won't be hearing much from her until she gets her intarwebs back...

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Lastly, give blood if you can. Help in someway, please.


Blood and money. The Red Cross is on it, and they should be able to get what they need, assuming there's the proper funds.


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Nothing will happen to Bourbon St. Wanna know why?

GOD LOVES BOOBIES!
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Posted on 08-30-05 03:28 AM Link | Quote
Cat-1 now, much lower winds, ect.. but man did it do damage. 10 feet of sitting water in downtown New Orleans, the Superdome is getting beat up.. yech. Hopefully it will be over very soon.
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Posted on 08-30-05 03:39 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by beneficii
Bella and Elric,

Yes, the parts of New Orleans we heard from were very fortunate. Just so you two know though, and I'm not trying to be blunt, but there are also parts that we haven't heard from for whatever reason. Those are the places I think we should be most concerned about. I heard that when Andrew hit in '92, nobody thought it did much at first because they weren't really hearing the reports from the badly hit areas. Only until they went in helicopters to survey the damage did they see how bad it really was. So I think it's very premature to quantify the amount of death and destruction this storm has caused.
I'm not quantifying anything. I'm merely pointing out the fact that the storm was no where NEAR as bad as the weather people wanted you to believe. They were acting like it was Revelations, and this was the beginning of the end of the world. They made it seem like New Orleans was going to be obliterated. They were, as usual, wrong. Fact: Weather forecasters are wrong waaaaay more than they are right. Fact: You can not, never could, and never will be able to predict nature. That's all I'm saying.
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Originally posted by Elric
Originally posted by beneficii
Bella and Elric,

Yes, the parts of New Orleans we heard from were very fortunate. Just so you two know though, and I'm not trying to be blunt, but there are also parts that we haven't heard from for whatever reason. Those are the places I think we should be most concerned about. I heard that when Andrew hit in '92, nobody thought it did much at first because they weren't really hearing the reports from the badly hit areas. Only until they went in helicopters to survey the damage did they see how bad it really was. So I think it's very premature to quantify the amount of death and destruction this storm has caused.
I'm not quantifying anything. I'm merely pointing out the fact that the storm was no where NEAR as bad as the weather people wanted you to believe. They were acting like it was Revelations, and this was the beginning of the end of the world. They made it seem like New Orleans was going to be obliterated. They were, as usual, wrong. Fact: Weather forecasters are wrong waaaaay more than they are right. Fact: You can not, never could, and never will be able to predict nature. That's all I'm saying.


Well, with the apocalyptic forecasts, I don't think anybody was talking about the world ending, but New Orleans getting sunk was and still remains a distinct possibility. You may balk at such a possibility even now, but the possibility is there. The worst-case scenario is if a Category 5 approaches New Orleans from the east (as it wouldn't be weakened by a landfall in more southerly Louisiana). We have yet to see that happen, and a hurricane on the order of Camille or this one's peak approaches from that south could still be strong enough by the time it reaches NO for a direct hit. This one turned away at the last minute and was weakened before landfall (because of a dry air intrusion--probably from the trough that was approaching--the same trough that caused Katrina to turn north).

I don't buy them being more wrong than right either. The kind of weather-forecasting about a certain city being hit would both be wrong and is not in general practice. The forecasters gave a range along the coast that Katrina could hit; they just gave New Orleans as the most likely point. What hyped this thing (though I think the hype was understandable, giving the devastating possibilities of this storm) was the news media. Also, the forecasters came out and said they weren't sure whether Katrina was going to hit as a 4 and a 5, and there were those that predicted it to be a 4 even after Katrina went to 175 mph winds.

I know I may sound blunt or whatever in this post, but I think you're being unfair to the forecasters who I think did a very good job at this.

Danielle,

And yes! We get to have lots of rain from Katrina. Believe me, we've been somewhat short on rain lately, so we're, believe it or not, benefitting from Katrina.


(edited by beneficii on 08-29-05 07:21 PM)
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You see, I don't much mind when the hurricanes plow into cities that are sea level or have little historic value. The loss of life is terrible, and all better avoided. But if a few commercial ventures get blown down I don't care all too much...But the prospect of the French Quarter being destroyed severely bothers me. I don't know if that makes me a bad person, but I really hope that the major sites and the important historical areas of the city remain safe
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Posted on 08-30-05 05:28 AM Link | Quote
Looks like it swerved a few miles east at the last minute, New Orleans dodged one hell of a bullet with regards to catastrophic flooding and mssive destruction.


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The west edge of it was also greatly weakened before it got to land... just to add more to their amazing luck. But there was still a lot of damage and a LOT of flooding.
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I'm looking at images on TV, and it looks like especially the eastern parts are just underwater. You can see sometimes the top of the houses coming out of the water, but that's just it.
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Posted on 08-30-05 07:54 AM Link | Quote
Is it about past Orleans yet? 10 feet of standing water and it's still pouring down... how much longer until seats in the superdome start flooding?
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Originally posted by Danielle
Is it about past Orleans yet? 10 feet of standing water and it's still pouring down... how much longer until seats in the superdome start flooding?


I think the rain is stopped, but from what I understand water is still pouring out of those broken levees.
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Posted on 08-30-05 08:16 AM Link | Quote
Oh..so it's passing over still? Not quite past yet? I haven't watched the news yet ..my mom didn't tell me anything when I got home either because I was the one who told her that this was going on..
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The hurricane's already passed over. Rain/winds can still be left over however.

They didn't get the worst-case scenario levee-wise though.
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Posted on 08-30-05 08:28 AM Link | Quote
Wow. Thank God its almost over. And I though my Mondays were bad...
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http://www.wwltv.com/

50 DEAD IN MISSISSIPPI, CONFIRMED BY OFFICIAL

Black Hawk helicopters are scheduled to land at LSU's Bernie Moore track stadium within the next hour or two with people injured in the storm who will be triaged and sent to local hospitals in Baton Rouge

Northshore Report: Slidell has extensive flood damage, impassable roads; Covington and Mandeville have extensive wind damage - entire parish without power. No communication to St. Tammany officials. Click for story.

I think Slidell's a suburb of New Orleans.

Plus, these fatality reports are coming from Mississippi; the ones coming out of Louisiana (and I think there are probably more casualities there) are slow in coming out.
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