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Lenophis Super Koopa Level: 44  Posts: 664/830 EXP: 584360 For next: 26925 Since: 03-15-04 From: Duluth, MN Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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| If an owner had a large staff and wanted to do an evalution of the entire staff, said owner could do a good moderation check by seeing which ones had closed threads. As we all know, not always is a post made when a thread is closed. It could have a line of "closed by x" that can't be removed or modified. And with that, there could also be a line of "opened by x" in a situation where the thread in question shouldn't have been closed. I see this as a matter of doing the job that is given, because post count means everything, right Colleen?  I don't actually expect this idea to even be considered, but it's something to float out there for all to.....well...read. |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101  Posts: 5057/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| The number of threads a moderator/admin opens/closes is no indication of how good of a job he/she does. We also don't have a problem of threads that are closed but shouldn't be. | |||
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Lenophis Super Koopa Level: 44 Posts: 665/830 EXP: 584360 For next: 26925 Since: 03-15-04 From: Duluth, MN Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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Originally posted by Viceroy Legion That's a nice opinion you have there Legion. I wasn't seeking your approval, I'm waiting on ||bass, Acmlm, Kasumi, etc (the staff that make a difference) to voice their say. |
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Yoshi Dude XKEEPER STOLE MY CAR KEYS Level: 79  Posts: 2741/3271 EXP: 4572680 For next: 6787 Since: 03-15-04 From: give me a number folks. Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by LenophisThen you should have PMed them instead of whoring attention to yourself. This is a public messageboard, not your own private chatroom that you can control as you please. The best part is that you wouldn't have made that reply at all had he agreed with you. (edited by Yoshi Dude on 08-18-05 11:53 PM) |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 5059/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Xkeeper The required libraries have not been defined. Level: NAN  Posts: 3420/-863 EXP: NAN For next: 0 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: -753366 sec. |
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| However, if it also provided a list of the threads that were closed, opened, whatever, an admin could simply check those logs to make sure that the moderating was justified and not some blind nazi modding. Not to mention that this would be a feature to be included in all Acmlmboards, Legion. Just because this particular board doesn't have any sort of problems regarding moderating does not mean that any other forum is also perfect in their moderating. Also, even a small count of the number of moderating actions done would be useful, since if the forum in question is full of closable threads, yet almost no action is ever taken, it would raise a red flag (or should) that the mod in question is either incompetent or simply on vacation. Edit - Corrected error (edited by Xkeeper on 08-19-05 12:27 AM) (edited by Xkeeper on 08-19-05 12:28 AM) |
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HyperLamer <||bass> and this was the soloution i thought of that was guarinteed to piss off the greatest amount of people Sesshomaru Tamaranian Level: 118 Posts: 6368/8210 EXP: 18171887 For next: 211027 Since: 03-15-04 From: Canada, w00t! LOL FAD Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| He has a point, though. It would be nice to have a simple message like "thread closed by Acmlm" after the posts, similar to when you edit a post. | |||
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 5061/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| It's completely unnecessary though. Most of the time, when a thread is closed, you'll know who closed it due to the final reply. If a thread is closed without a final reply from whoever closed it, then you can be certain that a private message was shot off to the person who made the thread. Sometimes it comes by request from the original poster. |
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Surlent サーレント Level: 49  Posts: 985/1077 EXP: 863920 For next: 19963 Since: 03-15-04 From: Tower of Lezard Valeth Since last post: 16 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| If I was a creator who asked to close a thread (like announcing one demo from a RPG Maker game, but something like data loss or similar made the demo going so there was no release), and later maybe asked to reopen due to new material to show, I would ask either an active mod or an admin to do that. That feature might be okay, but doesn't bring too much convenience. It just can be misused - if it was about activity, even comparison in the "# of closed threads" might occur. So people like FuSoYa would have pretty low numbers of closed threads, but since "activity" doesn't imply the pure number of posts and/or threads closed/moved/whatever (I know it - I moderated a bigger forum a longer time; hell I even got the job while I had the lowest post counter of all current moderators then  ), this must not be a criteria. I still suggest posting an extra post like "I'm closing this thread." from a mod - it's the same effect though.Does the moderators can close a thread while posting ? I mean you have the normal reply window but a small check box which says something like "Close thread" - when you checked it and sumbitted your post, the board would close that thread after it automatically. If yes, that feature anyway is useless ... But in case of forums which existed only due to the creator's program and knowledge (like FuSoYa), there is no question in people, yes. Just it _could_ lead to a comparison and maybe moderators might be dropped out at a certain time, if someone saw "OMFG, modderator XYZ clozed ounly 25 threads, while mod !37 trahed off tem!!one"  |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 5063/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by Surlent Yes, we have a checkbox that says "Close thread after replying". |
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Lenophis Super Koopa Level: 44 Posts: 666/830 EXP: 584360 For next: 26925 Since: 03-15-04 From: Duluth, MN Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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Originally posted by Surlent I'm struggling to figure out how this has anything to do with the suggestion at hand.
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Yes, look at the trash can, I can see a few threads on the first page like that.
I'm not even sure where you are going with this...
That's an abuse of power which would indicate the morons that are participating shouldn't even be holding the position. If such a competition existed in the first place, all participating members should be thrown out. I can easily see why you would be worried about something that too. There's too many ways to be stupid already on the internet, and we don't need another one. (In no way, is that line sarcastic either). Xkeeper and HyperHacker saw the point of my suggestion, to which I'm surprised. Usually nobody figures out what the hell I'm talking about when I type anything. =\ Legion: Are you unhappy that I suggested something that could keep tabs on the job you are doing? YD: If I wanted to whore myself out for attention, I'd make multiple posts on every forum and hack the board to shit. I only make suggestions that could be deemed useful in all situations, you don't have to agree, I get shot down enough by Xkeeper as it is.  I always look to seek input, in this case, the input of the programmers and admins is key, but all is still welcomed. |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 5064/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| "Legion: Are you unhappy that I suggested something that could keep tabs on the job you are doing?" My performance of staff duties is judged on how well I handle situations with certain threads and the judgement I use pertaining to them, how I interact with the users, how well I cooperate with the rest of the staff, how fair I am with practically all the things I do staffwise, and a few other things. Nowhere is there a rule or guideline that dictates how many threads we should or shouldn't be closing. There is no contest or quota we have to meet and the data you're suggesting that we collect in regards to "how well we do our jobs" is pointless and irrelevant. |
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get.  Level: 73  Posts: 2400/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Personally, I've always liked the idea of "transparent moderation". I first stumbled across it all at a forum called Whirlpool, which is the Australian Broadband Users Community. I liked it no so much to "keep the staff honest" so much as I liked it as a user convenience tool. Basically, when a moderator closed a thread, it said who closed it. If a thread or post was deleted then an "empty" placeholder remained saying that thread (whatever) by (whomever) was deleted by (whomever). If a thread or post was moved, then an empty placeholder thread remained in the old location, but linked to the new location, and said who moved it also. I liked this as a user tool. I liked that if a thread was deleted or moved, it was VERY clear that it'd been deleted or moved, users didn't have to go hunting for a moved thread, or hunting for a deleted thread thinking it had been moved. It also alerted the user to who had done the moving / deleting / closing, so that anybody with a problem with it could ask the person why. (hopefully without being an arse). It DOES have the side effect of being able to "keep tabs on" staff, but that's okay, as I think it's not a bad thing to ensure that those kinds of staffing actions are transparent either. Course, I don't think I'll ever see such a feature / set of features but it's something that I'd certainly appreciate personally. |
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knuck Hinox Banned until 19-58-5815: trolling, flaming, spamming, being a general fucktard... Level: 62 Posts: 1461/1818 EXP: 1894574 For next: 90112 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 9 hours |
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| You know, this idea is ok. but just because Lenophis is trying to start a fight with Leg they shouldn't implement it. Tard. |
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HyperLamer <||bass> and this was the soloution i thought of that was guarinteed to piss off the greatest amount of people Sesshomaru Tamaranian Level: 118 Posts: 6392/8210 EXP: 18171887 For next: 211027 Since: 03-15-04 From: Canada, w00t! LOL FAD Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Well really, people should post something like "I'm closing this" before closing a thread, but a lot of people don't. Plus when you get things like floods, generally you don't want to bother replying to all 200 threads.  Originally posted by Tarale Now THAT we need. |
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Prier Archangel Administrative Priestess. NUCLEAR SUB WEEEOOOO Level: 119  Posts: 7350/8392 EXP: 18790939 For next: 138352 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima Dist. - Tokyo, Japan Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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Okay...lemme see if I read this right...Originally posted by Lenophis Actually, we already have this. It's logged in PMA. The only real thing that I could see you going for this is what I've seen some moderators do on BMS. That is, keep a count in their avatars (I think generated by PHP) by how many thread closes, kills, whatnot, each does. That's out of just a plain joke anyways.  If someone's done anything, PMA knows. To clarify, say ID #34 staff deletes a thread (wow, that be me). It's recorded in PMA under the time and I believe the IP that it was accessed. That's there to let people know if someone's been fucking around, for instance. (edited by Prier on 08-19-05 09:14 PM) |
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Sandy53215 Acmlm (10:55:31 PM): they're having fun for the first time in so long Level: 47  Posts: 866/948 EXP: 713034 For next: 53169 Since: 03-15-04 From: Milwaukee, Wisconsin (U.S.A) Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 4 hours |
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| No, I suggest things that would be just as useful if not more usful then this and I get the "its a waste of resources." remark. Though I think this is an alright idea I dont think it should be implemented. Because honestly who cares who closes what thread? And if you say admin there is already a admin log for that. |
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Bit-Blade Pixel Artist Level: 34  Posts: 331/445 EXP: 229264 For next: 24387 Since: 03-16-04 Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 7 hours |
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| Having been in a position of power on a few message boards, I've come to understand a few things about them. Just relying on 'how many threads closed' is not necesarilly indicitive of a good staff member. For all you know the staff member in question may be closing threads that have no reason to be closed at all. You seem to be forgetting that staff members are people. You can't evaluate them on the basis that their rank makes them equal or just an object. Judging the adequecy of a staff member is more of a matter of knowing who the person is. Even if it all comes down to 'is this staff member useful?' you should take into account more things than just 'they didn't close as many threads as this staff member did'. Even keeping a staff member that isn't here that often can help you, even just a little. Take him off the staff and it harms you just that little bit. Therefore there is absolutely no harm in keeping a staff member like that unless you take these absences personally or are otherwise offended by them. As long as you feel you know your staff member well enough to trust them with their responsibilities, activity should only come into question is, say.... they post once a year (or whatever you guys feel is reasonable) except in the case that your staff member is a lurker and posts little but takes action when needed. That said, getting rid of a staff member should only happen when he/she is more of a liability than an asset. Like, say, if your staff member doesn't get along with certain other staff members and the drama that ensues is completely counterproductive to your purposes. There are any number of possibilities for a 'bad' staff member (or something). |
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HyperLamer <||bass> and this was the soloution i thought of that was guarinteed to piss off the greatest amount of people Sesshomaru Tamaranian Level: 118 Posts: 6411/8210 EXP: 18171887 For next: 211027 Since: 03-15-04 From: Canada, w00t! LOL FAD Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Plus, some forums simply don't need as many threads closed. I rarely find any spam in HW/SW, but in SMW Hacking... whoo! So you can't really say "mod x is better than mod y because he closed more threads" when mod y is modding a less spammy/less active forum. |
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