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Snika Boo Level: 44  Posts: 179/916 EXP: 600678 For next: 10607 Since: 07-21-04 From: Freezing Cold Alaska! Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 2 days |
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| BEFORE NOTE: This editorial may reveal things about the movie! Having my doubts about this movie, I went into the theatre and bought a ticket. To my dismay, it wasn't at all golden, but reluctanty I bought my 12 oz. soda and a large tub of popcorn. With thoughts of the original movie dancing in my head, I took all my yummy foods with me and sat down in the theatre. The opening sequence started, and I realized that this was going to be merely an update to the classic Willy Wonka and The Chocolate Factory movie. The sequence was exactly like the one for the first movie, but with the use of technology and computers! It was freakin' sweet! The rest of the beginning of the movie was purdey good. I thought that the writers really expanded on the ideas of family and being happy without having anything that were implied in the first film and the book. All four grandparents slept in the same bed, which made me wonder if this was taking place in London or Louisiana. Anyways, fastforward to the entering of the factory... I thought that they messed up by having it snow outside, which created a less humble feel. I thought that in the first movie they did a better job of showing that even being around the factory was happy by having a lawn and a fancy red carpet. The entrance of Willy Wonka was pretty darn strange, and I felt Gene Wilder's flips and dips could not be topped by a puppet show. Lets examine the Willy Wonka character itself... I felt that putting such a weird take on a classic character actually brought new life to the film. Instead of just being a man with a monopoly on the chocolate industry that wore odd suits like the original Willy Wonka, they added a depth and realilistic feel to the character. He opened up the factory because he was deprived of the sweet substance as a child. Thats exactly why crack dealers get started! Just joking. The factory itself... It was great. I liked that Tim Burton tried to build all the sets that he could, and knowing that the Chocolate Waterfall was REAL instead of just textures on a computer screen made the film more special. Other parts though, like when their riding aimlessly on the Glass Elevator and fireworks go off, ruined the whole thing by using a ridiculous amount of special effects and straying too far from reality. Anyways... I think it was a great film that is worth buying and watching over and over again! 9 out of 10! =P Snika |
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fabio Chuck Level: 45  Posts: 130/1479 EXP: 629903 For next: 30261 Since: 07-02-05 From: Somewhere in Texas Since last post: 7 hours Last activity: 7 hours |
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| I haven't seen the original one but the new one was pretty good. I like how everything was chocolate. That would be cool to own that entire factory. EDIT: Ok Ziff, it's not a remake, I take that back but you don't have to get angry. (edited by fabio on 07-18-05 02:59 AM) |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 4645/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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It wasn't a remake. It was a totally different movie using the same original text  |
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Rydain Ropa Blaze Phoenix Runs With the Dragon Within Level: 42  Posts: 631/738 EXP: 490056 For next: 31306 Since: 03-15-04 From: State College, PA Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 8 hours |
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| Being a major fan of the 1971 version, I had to see this one, and I tried to give it as fair of a chance as possible, but I left with an overwhelming feeling of "Eh." I loved the opening, which reminded me of the beginning of Edward Scissorhands (a Burton/Depp movie I liked very much). I liked how Augustus Gloop was not only gluttonous but rude (in the old movie, he wasn't very bratty at all, probably because he was portrayed by a German kid who barely spoke English and therefore got few lines). I thought Charlie Bucket was great - wide-eyed and good-natured without ever coming off as saccharine or phony. The sets ranged from good to awesome, so no complaints there. The shiny candy boat ruled. Though I preferred the 1971 movie's characterization of Violet Beauregarde as a nerd with no self-restraint (probably because I am also a nerd who runs her mouth...can you tell?  ), I did think that they did an excellent job with the "overachiever" characterization. She and her mother were sickeningly plasticine and I was very happy to see them go.  Buuuut... I can't get past the characterization of Wonka. I hated it. Sorry, but I did. It's not that he looked like Michael Jackson. It's not that he was different from Gene Wilder's eccentric, generally dignified, rather old-fashioned Uncle Wonka. It's that no matter what the character was, I would have found him to be quite annoying. He was rude without provocation ("I don't care" is not the proper response to a polite introduction), childish, and seemingly quite out of control of a tour going on through his own factory. All the random high-voiced speech and giggles worked my nerves. I also thought it was a poor characterization of Wonka because Wonka seemed, well, much more like Gene Wilder's portrayal. I would expect him to be rather goofy, yes, but he would use more timeless language and speak more formally. "Ew", "You're weird", "Chewing gum is really gross", etc. seem very un-Wonka-ish to me. I didn't care for the father subplot. It seemed pointless to me, and it wasn't even in the book. I also disliked the Oompa Loompa music in this version. I know the lyrics were book-accurate, but they were often incomprehensible, and the idea of having different musical styles and uber-choreographed dancing just didn't work for me. The 1971 version had simpler songs with the same melody but slight differences in orchestration. I liked these much better. The movie's tone bugged me because it was inconsistently dark/bleak and OMG HAR HAR HERE'S SLAPSTICK IT'S FUNNY LAUGH. Edward Scissorhands had funny moments without fucking up the tone. Why couldn't Burton pull that again this time? Most of the IT'S FUNNY LAUGH obvious humor did not appeal to me. The 1971 version contained lots of subtle funnies and amusingly memorable lines. "A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men" (delivered in a diabolical singsong) has been my GameFAQs sig line for several years now. Overall...glad I saw it because I was curious, but I don't particularly care to see it again. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 4647/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| I thought this movie had ups over the old one. Mainly, the portrayl of Wonka. This is the way I've always seen him. He is no more than a child who was betrayed and became rude. That is how I see it. I didn't like the exclusion of the introduction song...That's what angered me. The Oompa Loompa songs ruled HARD though. |
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Dark Vampriel Lynel "Life is just a dream on the way to death." Level: 57  Posts: 1309/1658 EXP: 1400355 For next: 85573 Since: 08-29-04 From: Somewhere..... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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Ok I like to make a comment even though I didn't see the movie. But one of my friends told me way before this movie came out was that Marilyn Manson was suppose to play Wonka instead of Johnny Depp. Not sure how accurret he was or where he heard that from but I think Manson would be cool as Wonka though.  |
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O.G. Metal axe Level: 22  Posts: 118/169 EXP: 53507 For next: 4843 Since: 03-19-04 Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 2 days |
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Originally posted by Ziff Because of they way that wonka acted, they thought that burton used Micheal jackson as what the charater should act like and looks like. dont even compare it to the orignal. (edited by O.G. on 07-18-05 12:38 PM) |
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HGanon Red Paragoomba Level: 12 Posts: 55/59 EXP: 7041 For next: 880 Since: 03-06-05 Since last post: 104 days Last activity: 9 hours |
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| I haven't seen this movie yet, and I don't think I want to. I really love the book, and this movie looks horrible. Johnny Depp as Wonka? Gene Wilder's seems more accurate. He was tall, looked old, and looked alot like the illustrations of Wonka in the book. He also seemed to have the same personality. In the book, Wonka cares about bringing imaginations to reality thorugh his candies, and teach the kids lessons about getting through life-even if it means letting them shrink themselves. Johnny Depp's seems more maniacal, like he doesn't care about the kids at all. But then again, this is a Tim Burton film. He barely looks like Wonka as well. I think that the original, while not totally accurate, is closer to the theme of the story. About a poor boy who gets the chance to enter a magical factory, and meet the crazy, but equally magical owner, WIlly Wonka. I think I'm gonna go watch the original. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 4654/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by O.G.Originally posted by Ziff Okay. "I don't care" Oh, and brainiac... "It wasn't a remake. It was a totally different movie using the same original text" Welcome to the world of critical comparison and contrasts :o |
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Ramadan Roy Like Like ...Or you'll be wearing your ass for a hat. Renowned Otaku Level: 44 Posts: 685/816 EXP: 569705 For next: 41580 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 13 hours Last activity: 7 hours |
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| It sounds like a lot of you who disagree with Ziff first have to read and understand the book first. | |||
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HGanon Red Paragoomba Level: 12 Posts: 56/59 EXP: 7041 For next: 880 Since: 03-06-05 Since last post: 104 days Last activity: 9 hours |
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| I read the book many times, and it still seems as though Wilder was better. Maybe when this one's out on video I'll pick it up and see more of Depp's performance. | |||
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Rydain Ropa Blaze Phoenix Runs With the Dragon Within Level: 42 Posts: 633/738 EXP: 490056 For next: 31306 Since: 03-15-04 From: State College, PA Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 8 hours |
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Originally posted by Jin DoganI had read the book years ago, but I bought it and read it today to refresh my memory. (Plus, I wanted a copy to keep around the house. It is a good story. ) There is an initial reference to Wonka's "high, fluty" voice and he does tend to babble excitedly, so I can see where those aspects of Depp's character came from. However, the book never tells you whether the high voice was Wonka's normal tone or just used for the initial greeting of everyone. Wonka does greet the children politely (although that could be interpreted as sarcasm...still, he was not outright rude like Depp), but he doesn't use slang and he never sounds like a refugee from the short bus. He is eccentric and excitable and prone to go off on tangents, but he seems to be intelligent and together, whereas Depp is apparently clueless or drugged half the time. Honestly, when rereading the book, the most Wonka-esque actor who came to mind was Robin Williams. He's done endearingly wacky interacting with children roles very well before (Mrs. Doubtfire, Rainbow Randolph in Death to Smoochy), and he can go careening off into la la land while still making sense. I think I would have preferred Williams as a more twinkly, animated, book-like Wonka. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 4667/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| If you want an exact copy of the book, re-read the book. I like to see other people's imaginings of it and see how they go up against mine. | |||
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HGanon Red Paragoomba Level: 12 Posts: 57/59 EXP: 7041 For next: 880 Since: 03-06-05 Since last post: 104 days Last activity: 9 hours |
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| Ziff: What are your imaginings on the book? Also, does anyone else here think that a Glass Elevator movie might be on the way? I heard that this movie is doing pretty good, so maybe the sequel might be made. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 4680/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by HGanon For starters, I made my point across here: Originally posted by Ziff Then I stated on the point of Willy: Originally posted by Ziff If you want more, I always thought that the book was very, very twisted and disturbing...Like most of Dahl's books. In fact, I was always downright frightened. I, from a young age, thought that it also had very relevent social commentary concerning workers (hi, there Oompa Loompas) and their representation. Moreover, when I imagined the Glass Elevator mine was far more Victorian in nature, and the other points of the book like the kids were somewhat more hmmm, suited to my imagination. Augustus was disgusting and marked with pimples, Violet was a southern girl (interestingly a girl from Louisiana moved up the week we read it back in good ol' Catholic school who was a fitting personality representation) who kind of had bulgy eyes and those greedy carny hands. Mike was just a jerk that was ignored by his parents. Moreover, we have to look at Ms. Salt. Who was just totally a spoiled rich kid. Demonic, with a high voice that won't shut up about her needs. The factory I always thought was something Gaudi would've constructed. Mind you, I was a twisto as a kid. |
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HGanon Red Paragoomba Level: 12 Posts: 58/59 EXP: 7041 For next: 880 Since: 03-06-05 Since last post: 104 days Last activity: 9 hours |
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| I've always like Dahl's books, except for the BFG. That one kinda disturbed me. Giants eating kids... But I can see how they might freak some people out. |
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drjayphd Beamos What's that spell? pimp! Level: 56  Posts: 1226/1477 EXP: 1387410 For next: 10766 Since: 03-15-04 From: CT Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Bumped because the movie's fucking badass and it needs to be. | |||
DoTheEvolution Goomba Level: 10 Posts: 5/27 EXP: 3425 For next: 989 Since: 03-16-04 Since last post: 57 days Last activity: 52 days |
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| Saw this last week and felt that it was as good as the original, and was actually much more of a family film than the original: No scary boat ride? No ascent towards the killer fan? Johnny Depp is the man though. Don't you forget it. He's no Gene Wilder in terms of comedy, but he's a fine replacement for Mr. Wonka. (edited by DoTheEvolution on 08-08-05 07:31 AM) |
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Danielle Local Moderator  Level: 76  Posts: 1579/3359 EXP: 3958078 For next: 47982 Since: 09-15-04 From: RATE Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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Why didn't I comment in here?  I saw this movie a while ago, a couple days after it came out, and I loved it. Johnny Depp is hilarious with his one liners and every other way he fills that role. I liked how they focused both on Charlie and Wonka in this one, and the ending was nicely done. Not to mention the kids in this one are much more realistic. More 21st century spoiled brats, it makes it that much more entertaining. The boy who played Charlie is the same kid that played Peter in Finding Neverland, another great Johnny Depp movie. He's a good little actor. So overall, this movie kicked ass. |
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drjayphd Beamos What's that spell? pimp! Level: 56 Posts: 1237/1477 EXP: 1387410 For next: 10766 Since: 03-15-04 From: CT Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Yeah, it did. I quite like what Johnny Depp did with the character. He didn't try to pull off Gene Wilder's kindly eccentric chocolate tycoon, which is all the better. Instead, he came off much more like a man-child. Spoiler: I mean, he took freaking notes on the various candies! That's the kind of dedication that can only be fostered by serious repression. And the reunion with his father, too... Oh, and I can imagine Mike Teevee being a good number of users here.  |
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