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| Acmlm's Board - I2 Archive - World Affairs / Debate - Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY) Goes After Modified GTA |
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Slay Level: 25 Posts: 239/339 EXP: 85592 For next: 4028 Since: 04-28-05 From: Threshold Between Heaven and Hell Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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| As a legal pragmatist, this is the only thing which raised my concerns. Last March, Clinton joined Lieberman and conservative Republican senators Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania and Sam Brownback of Kansas in calling for $90 million in federal funds for research on the effect of the Internet, i-Pods, and other electronic media on children. We could put money like that into funding AIDS research or getting food to the one in five children in the US who are underfed. Instead, we "research the effects" of the internet. This is blatant politician-speak, they are only interested in proving themselves right, in wasting taxpayer money to prove to themselves that videogames (and apparently iPods...?) are corrupting our children, are robbing them of their innocence. I sometimes wonder if any government-funded "research" (aside from that in the purely medical and scientific fields) is even slightly unbiased. There is much which troubles me about such a statement. First of all, today's "concerned parent" believes they can shield their offspring from absolutely every avenue of "badness" they percieve, putting them in a safe bubble, devoid of contact with the outside world. Children must get their feelings hurt, they must feel horror, they must learn to cope with dissapointment. These things are key to healthy mental and emotional development. "Protecting" them to such a degree that you deprive them of knowledge is dangerous, in my opinion, and psychologically damaging. It creates unrealistic people who cannot function in the real world. Secondly, this entire concept of "protecting" children from "harmful products" and "moral corruption" is perpetrated by those whom have absolutely no formal education in child development. They don't know the first thing about what is healthy and what is harmful, and yet, they are the ones making the laws which could affect us all. In reality, these "guardians of our youth" are doing far more harm than any of the things they cite as being malicious. And finally, this all revolves back around to the fact that people such as Joe Lieberman and Hillary Clinton are absolutely aghast at the concept of human sexuality. Keeping knowledge of human sexuality from a child is reprehensible, I think, and spiritually dampening. Why do they gape their jaws in horror? Human sexuality is the most beautiful thing on this planet, and I believe that this is one statement which is not just my opinion. Why some choose to make it into an object of disgust, into a concept of horror and depravity, is and shall most likely remain uncomprehensible to me. Of course, I do not mean to suggest that children should be participating in sexual activity, but keeping them totally ignorant of the subject only leads to teenage pregnancy and the dissemination of sexually-transmitted diseases. I have no problem with those who have strong conviction about how they want their own children raised. I have much problem with those who think that their person conviction allows them to change the law to suit their views. I have many problems with those who think that their personal parenting methods should be accepted as the norm. I have an extreme problem with those who believe they have the right to dictate how other people live their lives. I have major problems with legislating morality. |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101  Posts: 4726/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| I've hated Lieberman ever since the 16 bit days when he caused the rating system for games. It wasn't the system itself, it was the extremeist views he had on games and such. I play all kinds of games, and I have yet to stab anyone. So wtf? This guy needs to go. P.S. Hilary sucks too. P.P.S. Even though this isn't about rom hacking per se, rom hacking will never be illegal. |
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Okilian Red Goomba Level: 10  Posts: 22/43 EXP: 3290 For next: 1124 Since: 06-19-05 From: Ohio Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| ok...i hate when politicians go after the game market. Also the rap market..but let me make my first points. One..GTA has violence and gun wielding and the like. IT WILL MAKE YOU HAVE AGGRESSION, it's be studied by numerous doctors and psychologists. With that said, the number one response to that was this: teach your children the different between real and a video game. It's that simple. If a child playing GTA realizes you can not go around blowing people up, he won't. Maybe after playing he's a little hyper, but hey, teach him to go outside and play basketball. It's that simple. however, parents are so freaking lazy to do those simple steps, they want something to blame. Low and behold, video games come under critization. The good point is, the neo-mother age is starting to leave. You know the mothers...ones who use time outs and are the child's "friend." bs if u ask me. they were a big head on curving a bunch of video game stuff, even though they were the ones to buy the stuff for their kids. They have ratings on there for a reason, follow them. Actually sit down and watch what your child does. It's simlple. Politicans will try all they want, but simple knowledge curves most of it. Which brings me to my other rant on politicians and entertainment. The rap industry is constantly under attack by many for notions of violence and drugs. Yep..it's there. You know full well when you get into those songs that it's going to be derogatory adn the like. Imagine that. What both politicians and parents fail to see is the pop world and the crap they bring up. Listen to a majority of pop songs (Britney spears for example.) Just how much sex and stuff like that is brought up. yet no one seems to say anything about it. Kinda crazy if u ask me. I think a majority of pop music needs a M rating just like the rest of the world. Ok, i'm done. |
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||bass Programmer Admin Level: 44  Posts: 653/817 EXP: 570813 For next: 40472 Since: 03-15-04 From: Salem, Connecticut Since last post: 26 days Last activity: 11 days |
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| I still say that being able to kill people in GTA actually PREVENTS violence. At least with the game, you can vent your agression in a healthy way. | |||
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Slay Level: 25 Posts: 242/339 EXP: 85592 For next: 4028 Since: 04-28-05 From: Threshold Between Heaven and Hell Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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The Okilian says... Quoted for emphasis. But be careful with your words; you say something like this right after poking fun at a mother who tries to be her child's "friend," implying that closeness between family members is to be abhored. The Okilian says... I think the reason why rap and hip-hop is attacked and pop is left alone (supposing that's a true statement, of course) is context. Britney Spears may talk about sex, but does so willingly, and speaks of sex in the context of a stable (and highly passionate, apparently) relationship. In rap and hip-hop, sex is often used in the context of a male bragging about having sex with a female whom he doesn't care about, dropping such derogatory terms as "bitch" and "ho" all the while. Also, pop songs lack violence, whereas the violence in many rap songs is seemlessly mixed with the sex. There's a big difference between Britney Spears singing about the concept of sex and DMX rapping about nigh-raping a woman and then beating her. There is not a double-standard in this situation, and you cannot simply say that sex is shunned in rap and left alone in pop, because of the context surrounding this sex. |
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The Sage Of Time Blue Octorok Level: 12 Posts: 37/46 EXP: 7444 For next: 477 Since: 04-12-04 Since last post: 40 days Last activity: 13 min. |
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| For those that still aren't entirely clear on the GTA thing.. It's not a mod, or an easter egg, or a glitch. What it is, indeed, is a hack. The content was already there in game data, just locked out. (Likely they planned to use it, then decided against it before production was complete, locking it out completely rather than deleting it.) The hack changes several bytes in data, flagging the "mini-game" open for play. And while raunchy and sexually explicit, it's not exactly porn. No one is nude, no "private parts" are shown, it's just two people going at it "playfully." |
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Okilian Red Goomba Level: 10 Posts: 23/43 EXP: 3290 For next: 1124 Since: 06-19-05 From: Ohio Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by Slay I'm going to have to disagree and clarify on your statements and mine. WHile my wording may be..misconstrewed, I do not feel that parents and children can NOT be friends. However, there are parents who do not play the parental role, if that makes sence. They are just there to be cool, never actually giving a punishment when it's due. Now on to the music part. You have alot of things out. Britney Spears does not usually talk about sex in an upfront in your face attitude (I'm a slave for you, etc). Rap, of course usually talks about sex right there. But there u go. You see children singing songs that are down right raunchy, seeing her dance and act the way she is (white trash). I don't know, it may be me, but knowing rap is so up front, i rather have that then this around the corner stuff. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 4675/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Parents should indeed be friendly with their kids, but a line of distinction must be drawn until the child is older and can understand that an authority figure CAN be a friend. Otherwise you run into a potential problem where children don't see authority figures as authority figures. In this case, after looking more and more at this case I think that it is unfair what Washington is doing. Because it is a hack that is only accessible through a good deal of work  .I want to see tougher regulations around the sales of T and M rated video games. Kids can have all the Mario they want, but I do NOT think that it is healthy for kids to play Manhunt rf Mortal Kombat: Deception. The violence in the former is far too real. It is designed to show killings in a super-realistic light. Sure, the game sucked, but that is beyond the point. Mortal Kombat rewards the brutality with even gorier finishers. That is NOT something you should expose your kids to. That said parents still have to be parents and watch their children like hawks for the formative years. Not be super-over-bearing and protective, but have a safe distance to ensure that your kid isn't overtly aggressive or has emotional expression problems. |
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Xkeeper The required libraries have not been defined. Level: NAN  Posts: 3297/-863 EXP: NAN For next: 0 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: -753366 sec. |
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Originally posted by ||bassSeconded. There's nothing more stress relieving than shooting a redeemer at someone in UT. in other news, this is bullshit. Zomg, Someone released a hack. Iet's target the people who sell the game, despite the fact they probably didn't think people would mod it into such a state. Durrrrr. People amaze me. |
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Cymoro PATRICK DUFFY WILL LASER YOUR SOUL   Level: 67  Posts: 1886/2216 EXP: 2549743 For next: 43129 Since: 03-15-04 From: Cymoro Gaming Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by XkeeperOriginally posted by ||bassSeconded. There's nothing more stress relieving than shooting a redeemer at someone in UT. The thing is, someone has to tell my state's GREATEST SENTOR EVR LOL the reason why such a thing happened, and how. ....if she acts ignorant of the facts afterwards, then you can rail on her about her stance and opinions. I'd like to. |
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Snika Boo Level: 44  Posts: 213/916 EXP: 600678 For next: 10607 Since: 07-21-04 From: Freezing Cold Alaska! Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 2 days |
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| I bet you a million dollars Hillary has never even seen the sexual-intercourse hack for Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. I haven't either, but I've heard enough to know that it isn't detailed. Our children may be loosing their innocence, but Hillary is more than definetly loosing her mind. =P Snika |
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Violent J Melon Bug Level: 41  Posts: 496/749 EXP: 479154 For next: 991 Since: 05-05-04 From: Since last post: 8 hours Last activity: 8 hours |
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| Alright everyone that is niaeve. It is NOT a hack. It is not a modification. It is simply a patch that opens an address in the game making a mini game that was taken out last minute to prevent Adult Only rating. My friend has it. He showed me. Its nothing big at all. "Follow a set of instructions?" They are all fuctarts! IT IS NOT INTENDED TO BE SEEN. IT WAS FOUND BY SOME STUPID GAME PLAYER THAT DECIDED THE NEED TO SEARCH DEEP IN THE GAME. Also, it cannot be done in the PS2 Version WITHOUT a damn mod chip or GameShark. I have read up on this weeks ago, and know all of it. Everyone needs to step down, and not care about this. THE GAME WAS FUCKING PULLED FROM SHELVES AROUND HERE BECAUSE OF THE MINI GAME. ITS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE SEEN!!!!!! Why do people continue to argue that ITS PORNO OFF THE SHELVES WITH YOU. So fucking stupid. Also, the fucking thing is glitchy! The girl walks studdering, and the thing goes crazy once you get to the point where you can start the game, and then it runs alright. Some people have no sense in mind. Makes me want to shoot fucking Hilary or some other dumbfuck of an old shit that knows nothing about anything that is Modern. GOOD DAY SIR. |
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