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Kario In Possession of a Stolen Shovel Level: 65 Posts: 1/2082 EXP: 2321379 For next: 14249 Since: 03-15-04 From: Texas... Yeehaw! Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 17 hours |
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| I have been a fundemental independent baptist my entire life. Until recently, I never questioned my beliefs. When I started questioning them, I came to one conclusion: Brainwashing. You get the leader of a Mormon Church, Catholic Church, Baptist Church, Methodist Church, and a Cowboy Church, they all say the same thing. "We are right, the others are wrong" Where is there proof? People believe in God and stuff because they had a death in the family or something and they want comfort and support. You go to a church and hear the same thing over and over, it gets ingrained in your mind, then you believe it. It's a conflict because I have friends at church, my family has had losses (that if religion was a total lie, are just dead and gone for ever and not in heaven), and there are so many people at my church that admire me for what I have done. The only reason I go to church anymore is out of obligation... I dont want to feel this way, but I do. It just makes perfect sense... Comments, Suggestions, Encouragement, and Opinions would be greatly appreciated... (edited by Rachor on 03-15-04 05:46 PM) |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 92/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by Rachor I have been a fundemental independent baptist my entire life. Until recently, I never questioned my beliefs. When I started questioning them, I came to one conclusion: Brainwashing. You get the leader of a Buddhist Church, Catholic Church, Baptist Church, Methodist Church, and an Agnostic Church, they all say the same thing. "We are right, the others are wrong" Where is there proof? People believe in God and stuff because they had a death in the family or something and they want comfort and support. You go to a church and hear the same thing over and over, it gets ingrained in your mind, then you believe it. It's a conflict because I have friends at church, my family has had losses (that if religion was a total lie, are just dead and gone for ever and not in heaven), and there are so many people at my church that admire me for what I have done. The only reason I go to church anymore is out of obligation... I dont want to feel this way, but I do. It just makes perfect sense... Comments, Suggestions, Encouragement, and Opinions would be greatly appreciated... There is no agnostic church. Nothing else in this thread I will bother arguing with. |
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Kario In Possession of a Stolen Shovel Level: 65 Posts: 4/2082 EXP: 2321379 For next: 14249 Since: 03-15-04 From: Texas... Yeehaw! Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 17 hours |
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| I was just trying to think of another church for the list.... Anyway, why did you quote me? You usually only quote if you are bringing up a subject from earlier in the thread, or trying to rehash a point. Neither of which makes sense here, seeing as I was the only other post in the thread.... Don't mean to sound condescending though... |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 95/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Because I am too lazy to wade through senselessness to get to making specific points when I can make a general over view? | |||
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Izaden Newcomer Level: 5 Posts: 3/6 EXP: 359 For next: 170 Since: 03-15-04 From: Australia mate Since last post: 513 days Last activity: 55 days |
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Those things you've said are probably the main reasons i don't go to church.. All the churches do the whole brainwashing thing, they think they are right which is fine, but when it comes down to it.. it's what YOU believe in in your soul. I don't even understand all this different church bullshit, i just believe in an afterlife and a god, and a heaven and hell, that's all i need.  Hope that made some sense... |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101  Posts: 51/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by Izaden i just believe in an afterlife and a god, and a heaven and hell, that's all i need. Unfortunantly, that isn't all you need. (Depending on what you want from the afterlife.) (edited by Legion on 03-15-04 05:44 AM) |
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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 15/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| I wouldn't go as far as "brainwashing" because I used to go to Church, but I simply disagree with its beliefs. Churches don't brainwash you, but they try to make you believe what they believe, because in their minds, their beliefs are the only right ones (save a few very, very liberal religions, like Judeism, or however it's spelled. They believe that they are right, yes, but they don't force all Jewish people to believe in the religion. They let Jews choose what they believe in). And, although this has been pointed out already, I can't stress this enough since I saw it in your post: Agnosticism is not an organized religion. We have no church. |
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Anduril Newcomer Level: 6 Posts: 5/8 EXP: 552 For next: 355 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 595 days Last activity: 339 days |
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| Very good. Church is bad. They do brainwash. God doesn't want your money. The catholic church is actually talking about putting stock in the NYSE. That's horrible. Just stick to YOUR beliefs, not some stupid pastors. They can't be based off of what someone else says. They can be taught by someone else. But, always make sure that you follow your heart. | |||
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Cymoro PATRICK DUFFY WILL LASER YOUR SOUL   Level: 67  Posts: 62/2216 EXP: 2549743 For next: 43129 Since: 03-15-04 From: Cymoro Gaming Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| I'm going to disagree with something too: Buddhism. They don't necesarily say that 'we're the only ones'. The fact that they let you celebrate other religeous hollidays is one point. | |||
BookReader Ninji Level: 25  Posts: 20/232 EXP: 86317 For next: 3303 Since: 03-15-04 From: Albuquerque, New Mexico (Land of Disenchantment) Since last post: 22 days Last activity: 2 days |
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| There is no conflict. I was an atheist since I was born and really have no use for organized religion. I do agree however that church brainwashes you; I once dated a fundamental Christian who would have been pretty smart if she didn |
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Kario In Possession of a Stolen Shovel Level: 65 Posts: 20/2082 EXP: 2321379 For next: 14249 Since: 03-15-04 From: Texas... Yeehaw! Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 17 hours |
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| Okay, I just randomly listed religions. I know how some are more liberal and how agnostics dont have a church. They were just in the list for effect. | |||
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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 75/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by Rachor Okay, I just randomly listed religions. I know how some are more liberal and how agnostics dont have a church. They were just in the list for effect. And it gave off a worse effect because of it. So, if I were you, to avoid any further complaints, I would edit out certain religions from your initial post. |
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Jarukoth  IRRATIONAL EXUBERENCE!!1! Level: 79  Posts: 12/3194 EXP: 4402011 For next: 177456 Since: 03-17-04 From: New Jersey, U.S.A. Shoes: Yes. Since last post: 8 days Last activity: 1 day |
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| If I were you, I would give Protestantism a try. Don't give up on God or Religion just because you disagree with what one church says. There are many churches out there, and you are bound to run into a bad one here or there. My best advice would be to follow the Lord faithfully, and don't let the commercialism of some churches sway your faith. | |||
Valentine Revolution Leever Level: 24  Posts: 62/199 EXP: 68616 For next: 9509 Since: 03-15-04 From: UK Since last post: 103 days Last activity: 59 days |
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Destiny Smasher Red Cheep-cheep Level: 24  Posts: 19/216 EXP: 77554 For next: 571 Since: 03-15-04 From: NOT HERE, thank the Star Spirits. Since last post: 368 days Last activity: 43 days |
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| Yea, ya could do what I did, too... Stop doing what other people tell you to do. Do what your heart tells you, because no matter what, it'll guide you in the right direction. Many people DON'T follow their own hearts, though. They'd rather do what someone else tells them to. A sign of weakness when you can't think for yourself, I say. I just don't like organized religion. I do believe in some greater being. Does He 'speak' to me? I dunno. If He does it through a handy little thing called my 'conscience,' which I follow everywhere. |
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Rin Koopa Level: 18  Posts: 27/112 EXP: 28935 For next: 962 Since: 03-16-04 From: Qld, Australia Since last post: 508 days Last activity: 339 days |
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I used to go to church when I was little. I went to those religious lesson things they have at school and I read the bible. Although I questioned that all. Right now I believe in part of the wiccan beliefs. Anything you do, it comes back 3x, good or bad. And the whole reincarnation thing sounds nifty. =P I belive in there being two greater beings.. Goddess and God. I mean you know, everyone reckons god is a guy.. a guy cannot possibly 'create' a girl, that's just not right  Anyway, anyone can believe whatever they want. It's their choice in life, and no one is really totally right or wrong.. I mean part of the catholic religion, like the commandments are alright. "honour thy father and thy mother" thats all good, as long as they honour you too. I can't explain anytihng good =\ |
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witeasprinwow Lakitu Level: 37 Posts: 132/555 EXP: 319587 For next: 18666 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 55 days Last activity: 55 days |
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| Ultimately all beliefs (Including simple things like "I believe that my friends are real people and not imaginary" and "I believe that I am actually Human and not some alien having a daydream") come down to nothing, because they can't be proven. I don't want to say "Believe what you want to believe", because then you might believe in something crazy and impractial like "I am actually a vampire." In the same breath, I don't want to say "Have beliefs A, B, and C," because I they can't be proven. This one's up to you, kiddo. |
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