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CityGirl Micro-Goomba Level: 6 Posts: 4/13 EXP: 539 For next: 368 Since: 06-23-05 Since last post: 111 days Last activity: 111 days |
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| What are people's thoughts on women's ordination? For it, against it? And how many of you think it will ever happen? I am for women being ordained as priests. The reason women aren't allowed to be ordained, so says the Church, is because they "do no bear a natural resemblence to God." God, of course, meaning Jesus. So, because women don't LOOK like Jesus, the thought is, they can not represent Jesus during communion. I am an advocate of Elizabeth Johnson's argument, which, to my understanding, is this: We are called, as Catholics, to participate in the life of Jesus through the sacrament of the Eucharist. The priest serves as the symbol of Jesus. By not allowing women to be priests the Catholic church is effectively saying that women are not able to participate in the life of Jesus. The Church believes that the only way to salvation is through the life of Jesus-- thus, they're effectively saying women can't be saved. What are other people's thoughts? |
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Ben rhymes with ??? Paragoomba Level: 12  Posts: 25/69 EXP: 6845 For next: 1076 Since: 06-12-05 Since last post: 101 days Last activity: 3 days |
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| I believe that logic is being derived from a system (the bible) to whom logic is a complete stranger. My opinion though is that yes women should be ordained as priests, and for the amount of good it will do, chimpanzees should be ordained as bishops, for where in all of St. Paul's hilariously sexist verses does he disallow chimpanzees in to the order of the clergy? Why can |
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Vystrix Nexoth Level: 30 Posts: 329/348 EXP: 158678 For next: 7191 Since: 03-15-04 From: somewhere between anima and animus Since last post: 3 days Last activity: 2 days |
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Originally posted by CityGirlIn that case, anyone who is not male, white, with a goatee and long hair (brown, not blonde or red or black) is disqualified, assuming you go by the traditional (read: western) reckoning of how Jesus looked. If one considers just where he was born and lived, he probably looked not unlike modern Arabs (or something), and watching the American Church handling that should make for quite a spectacle. But I digress. I think the "resemblance" to God (edited by Vystrix Nexoth on 06-22-05 07:55 PM) |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 4251/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Ordination of women continued into the 1400s. There was Pope John. Who was a woman. Really, there is no reason to not ordain them. For orthodoxy sake, it can be argued either way. |
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Dracoon Zelda The temp ban/forum ban bypasser! Level: 84  Posts: 3228/3727 EXP: 5514391 For next: 147561 Since: 03-25-04 From: At home Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| I'm not catholic so I don't know everything about the religion. However in protistant (which I really no longer consider myself or of any religion/aithism/whatever.) women can be pastors since we really don't have preists. | |||
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Vystrix Nexoth Level: 30 Posts: 331/348 EXP: 158678 For next: 7191 Since: 03-15-04 From: somewhere between anima and animus Since last post: 3 days Last activity: 2 days |
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Originally posted by ZiffNo there wasn't, and even if there were, it was only because of a mistake (and the Roman Catholic Church certainly got their collective knickers in a twist over the matter), one that they would have taken great pains to ensure did not happen again. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 4261/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Actually, you'd have to look beyond the simplistic histories and understand that in that period there was an inherent problem. Although seen by most contemporary historians as a myth regarding Pope John, there was a problem inside of the other Diocese (Antioch, Rome, Constanstinople, Damscus, etc.). Basically, you'll not find it, but a woman effectively ascended the hierarchy and declared herself Pope. Of course, this is "hidden" Vatican information as it would be called heretical. I was speaking to a Dominican priest about Pope John who said that the name is effectively a blanket term referring to what was an early problem of women getting high up in the hierarchy. Although there is debate that during the post-Schism Church there may have been female "mini-Popes". But many of these historical documents would've been destroyed. I should've explained that better in the first place. "it was only because of a mistake (and the Roman Catholic Church certainly got their collective knickers in a twist over the matter), one that they would have taken great pains to ensure did not happen again." And when you say Roman Catholic Church, you have to take into account the Greek Rites, the Slavic Rites, the Eastern Rites, the Orthodox Church, the Egyptian Coptic Church and a few others that are seen by the Holy See as having Valid Eucharists. |
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Cymoro PATRICK DUFFY WILL LASER YOUR SOUL   Level: 67  Posts: 1774/2216 EXP: 2549743 For next: 43129 Since: 03-15-04 From: Cymoro Gaming Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| I just see it like this: Let the religeon do whatever the hell it wants. If you don't like it, make another branch. That's where protestants and lutherans, and all other different sects came from. If a group of Hindu people felt that eating cow wasn't as sacreligeous (just using this as an example) as their religeon made it out to be, they can go and make their own sect. Easy as that. It's like the gay marriage debate. It's stupid to argue that same-sex marriage should be alllowed for religeons that don't allow it, but marriages in ones that do (or civil unions) are okay. |
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