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Slay Level: 25 Posts: 147/339 EXP: 85592 For next: 4028 Since: 04-28-05 From: Threshold Between Heaven and Hell Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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| People tend to have very strong opinions about this subject, so I'll ask frankly. Do you think it's possible to learn to draw? Or is it an inborn trait that you either have or don't? I have ulterior motives behind this question. I see things, various things - worlds, people, objects - all inside my mind. It is unfortunate that I lack the skills of an artist; I cannot transfer these visions from my spirit onto paper, and I've tried for all my life. I've tried taking classes, even seeking personal advice from friends, but it all fails me; these hands which strum strings and tap keys refuse to drag a pencil across paper or paint across a canvas with grace. Am I without hope? I'm busy at the moment, but later, I will attempt to sketch a few things and scan it to show you, so that you may more knowledgeably judge whether or not I have any potential. At times, I would trade all my other artistic skills to be able to create even one picture... |
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get.  Level: 73  Posts: 2031/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| You can learn to draw, but you can't be taught how to draw. You just have to keep trying. The only way you can learn to draw and the only way you can get better is to practice.  |
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Cymoro PATRICK DUFFY WILL LASER YOUR SOUL   Level: 67  Posts: 1655/2216 EXP: 2549743 For next: 43129 Since: 03-15-04 From: Cymoro Gaming Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| All I've ever seen from art classes is the same stuff; still sketches of objects, oils of other people, etc. However, drawing is something you learn on your own. I've had people look at my sketches, go "wow have you ever taken a class" and I just reply with "Nope, never needed one". Is there something you were thinking of drawing? Try to do it. It doesn't matter how it comes out, just try it. After a while, if you keep doing that, you'll get better. (Yeah, what Taryn said, but more wordy) |
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get. Level: 73 Posts: 2032/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Oh! I forgot the other thing. Not just practice.... Observation is important too. Look carefully at other people's artwork, watch others draw, observe people/animals/whatever it is you wanna draw, etc. And if you're drawing people, it's probably a good idea to study a little bit of anatomy. I discovered that my former housemates' (medical students) diagram of the muscles in the human body was REALLY helpful when it came to drawing some parts of human anatomy I was having trouble with. (edited by Tarale on 06-05-05 02:25 AM) |
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Ramsus Octoballoon Level: 19 Posts: 76/162 EXP: 34651 For next: 1126 Since: 01-24-05 From: United States Since last post: 39 days Last activity: 71 days |
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| Most people who draw well have simply spent a lot of time drawing. Why? They like to draw. There are a lot of skills that some people seem more inclined to have though. I understood the basics of perspective and foreshortening when I was six without ever having been taught anything about them. Control over direction, pressure, and angle has a big impact on what you can accomplish with your lines and textures. Try drawing a gradient with a ball point pen. So there's basically two sides to drawing that you have to master. One is seeing, the other is actually drawing. That is, you have to be able to see an image and how to represent it on a 2D surface, recognizing values, colors, lines, and lighting while understanding things like texture, shading and reflection. Then you have to be able to control your medium to actually create the image. To master "seeing" you have to study art theory and practice applying theory. To master technical skill, you simply have to practice drawing an image until you get it to look exactly how you want it. Once you've mastered those two aspects of drawing, it the rest is studying how various things look (e.g. human anatomy, how horses gallop, complex reflections on surfaces, water, etc.) and studying composition as a tool to effectively express the ideas and feelings you want. |
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Peardian Lava Lotus The Uncanny Mario Art Master KvSG #87 is up! No Trouter yet... Halloween's over... Turkey time! Level: 58  Posts: 815/1696 EXP: 1545376 For next: 32170 Since: 07-01-04 From: before 3:00 - school, after 3:00 - Pearl Island Since last post: 7 hours Last activity: 6 hours |
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I usually just practice alot. You could try art classes, but that never helped me. It just taught me to hate watercolors...  |
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 9826/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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| I stand by the firm belive that practice gives fruit. And when it comes to drawing... well, the big problem here is I would really need a place where I can sketch in peace. Every desktop is occoupied by an computer here and I feel too distracted in the kitchen. It's a good idea to read a few books and look up a few tutorial on the internet. Sketching is something i'm halfassed on, I can design techincal things in a very basic way "Radios, Consoles, Tv's" but when it comes to humans or anything anthropomorphic. Let see if i'm right by the time when I start in collage, where none would judge my drawings. (I wish my sisters would leave me alone for once  )Seen a few artists going from barely viewable to masterpieces. As long you have the will, you can do anything. Some people are masters at it becuse they kept drawing since being kids, but there is still a chanche for people to catch up who barely can draw a stick figure.  |
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DarkSlaya POOOOOOOOOOOORN! Level: 88 Posts: 3694/4249 EXP: 6409254 For next: 241410 Since: 05-16-04 From: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 8 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| Heh, really, as others said practice (don't do like me, trying to improve on drawing while trying to get better at guitar. While it's true some people have a natural ability for drawing, in the end it will count for 5% of the work? The other 95% will be because of practice. But I'm not the best to talk about these things, as I never shown any piece of work I've done (so I have no idea of what I did,....blah blah blah). Also, always show your work to other people, and take their critism (if it's constructive, it will help) |
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||bass Programmer Admin Level: 44  Posts: 440/817 EXP: 570813 For next: 40472 Since: 03-15-04 From: Salem, Connecticut Since last post: 26 days Last activity: 11 days |
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| Any "natural" ability will help you about 10% at absoloute most. Artistic ability is almost entirely learned through practice. Being exposed to art at an early age helps, but you can most definately "catch up" at any age. My artistic ability was limited to stick figures up until I started to teach myself to draw along with getting pointers from Delial. I can do a fairly decent anime style now. PS: Don't worry if your penmanship is bad. I failed penmanship every single year back when I was in grade school. The idea that bad handwriting is a sign of bad artistic ability is totally false. |
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Cymoro PATRICK DUFFY WILL LASER YOUR SOUL Level: 67 Posts: 1658/2216 EXP: 2549743 For next: 43129 Since: 03-15-04 From: Cymoro Gaming Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by ||bass Actually, I've seen it vary inversely; if your penmanship sucks, you're good at drawing.. and vice-versa. It's mainly just something I noticed over time, so if you draw good and have good penmanship, well, all the more power to you. |
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||bass Programmer Admin Level: 44 Posts: 442/817 EXP: 570813 For next: 40472 Since: 03-15-04 From: Salem, Connecticut Since last post: 26 days Last activity: 11 days |
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Originally posted by CymoroAll of that stuff is a myth. My friend Jess (her real name is Chinese and I can't pronounce it) has both good penmanship and artistic ability. From everything I've been able to tell, penmanship and artistic ability are in no way related.Originally posted by ||bass |
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Slay Level: 25 Posts: 151/339 EXP: 85592 For next: 4028 Since: 04-28-05 From: Threshold Between Heaven and Hell Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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||bass Programmer Admin Level: 44 Posts: 443/817 EXP: 570813 For next: 40472 Since: 03-15-04 From: Salem, Connecticut Since last post: 26 days Last activity: 11 days |
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| If you don't like noses, do what I do, draw them anime style. Anime style noses are the quickest and easiest artistic excuse to avoid having to draw a proper nose. Next, don't worry all so much about depth right now. Depth is something best left alone until you begin coloring and/or shading, something generally done after the initial sketch and redrew outlining is done. Last, don't EVER EVER make a bullet point be a link again. I seriously could not find the damn link for like 15 seconds until I finally realized that the bullet point was the link, |
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Peardian Lava Lotus The Uncanny Mario Art Master KvSG #87 is up! No Trouter yet... Halloween's over... Turkey time! Level: 58 Posts: 818/1696 EXP: 1545376 For next: 32170 Since: 07-01-04 From: before 3:00 - school, after 3:00 - Pearl Island Since last post: 7 hours Last activity: 6 hours |
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 That's cool... I never thought of a hyper-linked dot before.The pictures good, but the neck looks a little too wide to me... humans are a difficult subject. For the nose, you could just ignore it. I could draw De Rol Le from memory before I could draw a good human. For those of you who don't know, this is De Rol Le:  |
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Slay Level: 25 Posts: 153/339 EXP: 85592 For next: 4028 Since: 04-28-05 From: Threshold Between Heaven and Hell Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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The ||bass says... Force of habit, is all. I regularly browse Japanese sites, and bullet-linking is a major fad among artists and mangaka. I'm actually quite fond of the method, because it looks aesthetically pleasing, I think. But I understand that it's best saved for my own private site. I'll link with words, on this forum, from now on. |
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Cymoro PATRICK DUFFY WILL LASER YOUR SOUL Level: 67 Posts: 1666/2216 EXP: 2549743 For next: 43129 Since: 03-15-04 From: Cymoro Gaming Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by Peardian God, he was a BITCH. bass: About noses, yeah, I pretty much draw '>', except thinner and the upper half longer. I've always hated noses. |
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JDavis Trick or Treating Local Mod Affected by 'Halloween Syndrome' ++ Level: 44  Posts: 634/815 EXP: 568676 For next: 42609 Since: 03-15-04 From: Ada, Oklahoma, USA Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by Slay Yes, well, in those site's they're usually in rows of other bullets, and thus easier to figure out... In front of a paragraph of text it initially looks like just a bullet. Anyway, I haven't posted yet so... Everything Tarale said. Plus what others are saying about either going with an anime nose or no nose (which is sometimes done in anime anyway) |
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get. Level: 73 Posts: 2048/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| I used to draw noses that were more or less like this: > Now I'm trying to round out my noses, because let's face it, they're not that pointy. |
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windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61  Posts: 1644/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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Originally posted by SlayThe ||bass says... No way, bullet linking rocks. |
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