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Posted on 06-07-05 06:44 AM Link | Quote
The thing that worries me most about Revolution is the controller. I just know it's going to be a touch screen. Touch screens make crappy controllers because you don't get any tactile feedback. Sure it works with DS because you're looking at the screen anyway, but with a console you'd be looking at the TV. You'd have to constantly be checking that your fingers are still in the right places, cleaning the screens, and it just wouldn't be the same not feeling and hearing the buttons click under your thumbs. So unless they can pull off something really cool...
But hell, I don't doubt they will. Game Boy was weak, bulky, and monochrome and it smoked handhelds that could rival the GBA power-wise back in its day. That's a damn good sign that Nintendo can really kick some ass where you wouldn't expect it.
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Posted on 06-07-05 07:18 AM Link | Quote
I doubt it's going to be purely touch screen. Apparently GameSpot looked at that rumor and apparently some major companies balked at that idea. Plus imagine how BIG the screen would have to be - and forget fighting games on one of those. :\

I wouldn't be surprised if the touch screen is a PART of the controller, but I doubt it's the whole thing.
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Posted on 06-07-05 07:35 AM Link | Quote
HH: They have the DS, they surely use DS connectivity. So why the hell would they make a new touch screen controller? Geez... besides they denied that they would have any touch screens on their new controller. And with it's techincal limitation, touch screen are only good if you're looking on the screen.
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Posted on 06-07-05 07:47 AM Link | Quote
I doubt they'd just have the DS used as an optional touchscreen because then you get into GC/GBA connectivity. Nobody wants to have to buy a DS solely for those functions.

Maybe a detachable screen that's included with the controller? I dunno.
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Posted on 06-07-05 11:57 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by HyperHacker
The thing that worries me most about Revolution is the controller. I just know it's going to be a touch screen. Touch screens make crappy controllers because you don't get any tactile feedback. Sure it works with DS because you're looking at the screen anyway, but with a console you'd be looking at the TV. You'd have to constantly be checking that your fingers are still in the right places, cleaning the screens, and it just wouldn't be the same not feeling and hearing the buttons click under your thumbs. So unless they can pull off something really cool...



I hope they
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Posted on 06-08-05 12:28 AM Link | Quote
Your kidding right? I hate the N64 controllers. Especially after using the Gamecube ones... thought I miss how nice the controllers works on FPS games.

Techincally a DS and a Revolution have Wifi, so i'm not surprised if they do some type of connectivity. Nintendo have denied all rumours about it being a touch screen.

Thought there is a possiblity that it will contain something gyroscopic. Such devices includes in a few GBA carts, so space wouldn't be a issue.
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The thing that was the problem with GC/GBA conectivity was the cables and the idea of it for multiplayer. I think most people with a Gamecube had a GBA. I know I had two (a normal and an SP), and a friend of mine had like four or five (well, not just him but him and his brothers, which makes for one GBA a piece amongst them).

Continuing to use myself and my friend (and his brothers) as an example... I bought a GC/GBA cable relatively early on, around when Sonic Adventure 2: Battle was released. I used the thing only a handful of times, a few with SA2B & Sonic Advance, once to unlock unlockables in Metroid Prime & Fusion, and messing around with the Tingle Tuner stuff in Wind Waker. The connectivity wasn't a bad idea, it just wasn't much implemented. Then came a couple of games that used it full-scale, Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles and The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures. I didn't buy the former, but I did buy FSA. Now I had two cables, since FSA came with one. My friends also had a cable, since they got their Gamecube in the Wind Waker bundle (which comes with a cable and the OoT:MQ bonus disc that was originally a pre-order bonus). Now we could play FSA with three players. Would we ever buy another cable so we could take it up a notch to four? No. Why? I wasn't going to spend money on an accessory that I would be used only a couple of times, and they certainly weren't going to since it wasn't even their game.

Now on to the DS and Revolution. Would this same problem occur? No, no cables. It's all wifi. If there was a Four Swords Adventures type game for Revolution that used the DS, we could have four players alot easier assuming we had four DSes (not a stretch, since I have one and they already have two). And with the wifi of everything and how it's all supposed to be able to connect to the internet with the wifi, Nintendo could take it a step further and allow for people to play online in this manner. I'm sure there'd be more than enough people with both a DS and a Revolution for a Revolution/DS Four Swords Adventures to kick much more ass (both financially for the Big N and fun-wise for gamers) than its Gamecube counterpart.

I would at least hope for the DS to be optional as a controller for the downloadable classic games if the Revolution controller ends up looking crazy like the Gamecube controller on the right side. Don't get me wrong, the Gamecube controller is great. I'm just pointing out that the DS is set up like a SNES controller. If nothing else, I wouldn't be surprised if we see some third party adapters for plugging NES, SNES, and N64 controllers into the Gamecube controller ports on Revolution.

And speaking of DS and multi-system connectivity, the DS already has it to some degree... I speak of the unlocking of content on DS games when you have specific GBA games in the DS's GBA slot. Unlocking outfits in Feel The Magic or a Mona Pizza video in Wario Ware: Touched may not seem like much in the long run, but it's the sort of simple connectivity that we've seen since the N64/GCN days (Transfer Pak, yo).
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Posted on 06-08-05 01:20 AM Link | Quote
New Article.

There's some disappointing news for those expecting these classics to be available for free. Nintendo is planning on pay downloads as being the standard for this download system. There will be many types of services, though, including limited time free downloads. One possibility mentioned by Iwata is free downloads as bonuses for buying new games.

Not much more on the controller ...

I just really hope it's -not- a touch screen, entirely.
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Posted on 06-08-05 02:31 AM Link | Quote
Reggie already said at E3 that it won't have touchscreens.
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Posted on 06-08-05 02:35 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Ralphy Boy
Reggie already said at E3 that it won't have touchscreens.


That's good new, in some way.

They're just still saying it's going to be a "surprise" or something. So, I'm rather clueless on what to expect.

Hell, it's probably just some blob that morphs into NES, SNES, N64, GC, and Revolution controllers.

Meh.
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Posted on 06-08-05 02:53 AM Link | Quote
One possibility mentioned by Iwata is free downloads as bonuses for buying new games.

Bastard! That was *my* idea, Iwata!

But on the other hand, having a code for 2-3 free games in each Revolution game sold would really spark a lot of interest.
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Posted on 06-08-05 03:57 AM Link | Quote
Sure, it's such an original idea. Anyone could have bought a Coke or Pepsi, looked at the code for a free music download, and come up with that.

Though if it's not a touch screen, and it's "something that will make it easy to play NES, SNES, N64, Gamecube and Revolution games"... what is it? Damn, I love how Nintendo does that.
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Posted on 06-08-05 04:51 AM Link | Quote
They have the Gamecube controller ports for the Gamecube controllers, so they aren't going to have to worry about that. It's the others that would be interesting to see how they go.

NES controls are pretty adaptable, but I'm sure I'm not the only one that felt Gamecube's tiny itty bitty wittle d-pad didn't quite do the job...

SNES, like I've said, the DS could be used if nothing else, but the bulk of that problem is.. The bulk... of that problem.

With N64, as we've seen with OoT, Master Quest, and Majora's Mask, a Gamecube controller does the job moderately decently...But the C-stick is no C-buttons, nor are X and Y.

Like I already said, I'd expect some third party controller adapters to pop up. Probably some third party controllers designed in the fashion of the older controllers as well.
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Posted on 06-08-05 05:01 AM Link | Quote
The problem with thoose Gamecube controller ports is that it would wield you eight controllers in total.

Still, that's hellalot better than having two seperate consoles who have four controllers each. And it shouldn't be a problem as the Revolution controllers are wireless, maybe they ditch force feedback thought...
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The GCN controllers are TERRIBLE for NES games. I got totally pwned while playing Zelda II with the stupid thing. Gah.

That's all I have to add.
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Originally posted by Emptyeye
The GCN controllers are TERRIBLE for NES games. I got totally pwned while playing Zelda II with the stupid thing. Gah.

That's all I have to add.


Meh. What was worse was having B as Jump, and A as shoot in the Megaman Collection.

But yeah, still Zelda II did get annoying ... and I died a lot more then compared to what I usually would on the NES.


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Originally posted by Emptyeye
The GCN controllers are TERRIBLE for NES games. I got totally pwned while playing Zelda II with the stupid thing. Gah.

That's all I have to add.
I never found it a problem with the control stick, althought it felt awkard.

I just wish the D-pad was bigger. It's practically useless on that thing.
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I think it's time I link to this, as it is fulled, with historical goodness.
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Is official.

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A very smart link to share.

Haven't really had any problems playing Zelda/Zelda II on the GC... Got used to the controls pretty quickly. Not really *that* tough to get used to in my opinion.
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