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Slay

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Posted on 06-22-05 01:02 PM Link | Quote
The Okilian says...
I believe that a majority of vegans are only there to promote a somewhat over extravaggant idea (like conditions for animals.) If they would look more into the idea, they would see the strides now made by a majority of dairy farms to be clean and sanitary...


You misunderstand the vegan mission statement. Most vegans are such for moral reasons; they don't particularly care about the health concerns of eating meat compared to the morality of raising animals in huge herds for slaughter and consumption. Vegetarians tend to eat the way they do for health concerns, which is why they tend to have no qualms about consuming dairy products or eggs; vegans tend to abstain from such products because it promotes the conditions they see as abusive towards farm animals.
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Posted on 06-22-05 08:20 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Slay
The Okilian says...
I believe that a majority of vegans are only there to promote a somewhat over extravaggant idea (like conditions for animals.) If they would look more into the idea, they would see the strides now made by a majority of dairy farms to be clean and sanitary...


You misunderstand the vegan mission statement. Most vegans are such for moral reasons; they don't particularly care about the health concerns of eating meat compared to the morality of raising animals in huge herds for slaughter and consumption. Vegetarians tend to eat the way they do for health concerns, which is why they tend to have no qualms about consuming dairy products or eggs; vegans tend to abstain from such products because it promotes the conditions they see as abusive towards farm animals.



I thought that's what I said..but it could be misinterpreted.

I have no problem with them being vegans...but it's when they try to force me into that style where i kinda get ticked.
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Posted on 06-23-05 03:42 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by ||bass

A common mistake vegatatarians commonly make is the assumption that killing animals is somehow not natural for humans. Nothing could be farther from the truth. All scientific evidence about human digestion suggests that humans are ment to eat both plants AND ANIMALS. The human jaw and teeth contains structures intended to eat animal flesh as well as tough plant matter.

Did you even know that the appendix is thought to have aided in the digestion of raw and undercooked meat for early caveman?


Hence you imply that our present day morals and dietary culture should be dictated by the ancient past. Why should this be?

As a biology student you are surely aware that nearly every Asian person (and many other races besides) is lactose intolerant. Caucasians however have adapted to a lactose-heavy diet. Were the Caucasians wrong for turning their backs on their lactose intolerant evolutionary history? Of course not, and likewise: have our recent ancestors committed any wrong by finding new diets and so shunning the use of their appendixes?

So why should it be any different with teeth and vegetarianism? Is taking B12 supplements in place of eating meat any less natural than any of the other things that we human beings do in our strange modern lives?
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Posted on 06-26-05 10:01 AM Link | Quote
Taking B12 vitamens are less natural because, some times, the vitamens are synthetic.

My view is this - I don't care. You can eat our own shit. Just as long as you discuss without ad hominems and balant disregard to intelligence, I don't care. You can't deny though that we are designed to eat both meats and plants because of the inclusion of the incisors and canines, and also that if you compare digestion systems, you'll discover that we are missing an important element (the name escapes me...in the koala bear, it's a branch off of the long intestine and it's a big spiral). This element allows us to get the most nutrition from plants, but since we can't digest cellulose, a major combonent of plants, we lack the potential to get all the energy from plants.

Now, if you want to eat go ahead. And if your ancestors do too, that's okay. You're family line, in millions of years will be completely able to function completely on plants, without vitamens.
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