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||bass Programmer Admin Level: 44  Posts: 428/817 EXP: 570813 For next: 40472 Since: 03-15-04 From: Salem, Connecticut Since last post: 26 days Last activity: 11 days |
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Originally posted by Emperor ZiffatineI think the point here is that it seems like I'm the only one who actually took biology at all. Yes, we do need a balanced diet. That diet INCLUDES MEAT. BTW, argumentum ad hominem is a really good way to win an arguement. Yup.... |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 3920/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| "Time for biology 101 with ||bass. A common mistake vegatatarians commonly make is the assumption that killing animals is somehow not natural for humans. Nothing could be farther from the truth. All scientific evidence about human digestion suggests that humans are ment to eat both plants AND ANIMALS. The human jaw and teeth contains structures intended to eat animal flesh as well as tough plant matter. Did you even know that the appendix is thought to have aided in the digestion of raw and undercooked meat for early caveman?" "I think the point here is that it seems like I'm the only one who actually took biology at all." Yes, ad hominem attacks solely from my side? Welcome to reality. Feel the burn. You did it too. And I never even stated that we don't need meat, but what I DID state was that consuming too much has detrimental effects to human health. |
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jasukan Panser Level: 30 Posts: 321/344 EXP: 155950 For next: 9919 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 135 days Last activity: 62 days |
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| Hey guys one time I saw PETA protesting at McDonalds. So I went in, got a super huge mac and ate in front of them. It was cool! (edited by jasukan on 05-25-05 05:05 PM) |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 3921/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by jasukan PETA sucks. |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101  Posts: 3971/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by Emperor Ziffatine But why did you reply with that though? We were talking about how meat is perfectly fine for human consumption and you come along saying how a balanced diet is more important. I don't disagree with you but what did that have to do with whether or not eating meat was wrong or right? |
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||bass Programmer Admin Level: 44 Posts: 429/817 EXP: 570813 For next: 40472 Since: 03-15-04 From: Salem, Connecticut Since last post: 26 days Last activity: 11 days |
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| Maybe I should point out that consuming too much water has detrimental effects to human health. Saying too much of anything is bad for you as an arguement is a totally pointless statement. Too much OXYGEN can be bad for you. Jeez.... |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 3922/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| I didn't bring in moral relativism into this, Legion. Yawn. ||bass, you really need to get some originality. No one is arguing that meat is BAD for you. I stated that it needs to be balanced by alternative food stuffs. |
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||bass Programmer Admin Level: 44 Posts: 430/817 EXP: 570813 For next: 40472 Since: 03-15-04 From: Salem, Connecticut Since last post: 26 days Last activity: 11 days |
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| You don't need to be origional. Just logical and correct. Not that it has anything to do with the FACTS AS THEY ARE. You know.... because being unorigional makes it wrong. Yea.... |
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Slay Level: 25 Posts: 110/339 EXP: 85592 For next: 4028 Since: 04-28-05 From: Threshold Between Heaven and Hell Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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| About the biological problems associated with drinking milk and that link posted, they only cover cow milk. Goat and panda milk is popular in eastern countries, and is said to be much healthier. | |||
Grey the Stampede Don't mess with powers you don't understand. And yes. That means donuts. Level: 82  Posts: 2333/3770 EXP: 5192909 For next: 16318 Since: 06-17-04 From: Kingston, RI, USA, Earth Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| Slay, the point of that article was to show the problems of skewing information in the favor of an argument. All of the points presented in that article have special exceptions and are the result of slightly altered facts that still *sound* right to the average listener. And as far as evolutionary science goes, what about gatherer cultures and cultures that say that certain meats are against the religion, like Hinduism? They honor cows and never eat beef. If they managed to evolve without a primary source of meat in their culture, then it follows to assume that there's a possiblity that meat is not ESSENTIAL to human survival, it just makes it easier. Similarly, our teeth are designed for ripping and tearing meat as well as grinding plants. Our earliest ancestors had much more pronounced canines that were capable of tearing open flesh, they just got duller over time as, as Ziff said, we started eating less and less meat and more of a balanced diet. We're not carnivores, we're just not herbivores, either. |
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Dracoon Zelda The temp ban/forum ban bypasser! Level: 84  Posts: 3035/3727 EXP: 5514391 For next: 147561 Since: 03-25-04 From: At home Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| Thats why the awesome word "omnivore" was invented. Really, everyone, take a second to think, right now. Ok, done? Think about what Ziff said, he isn't saying, "Only eat vegatables" he saying we need to balance our diet. As americans, we're all bad at that, horribly, bad. We usually eat what tastes good, and don't care about the health problems later. Please people, no one should really give a damn about who eats what, as long as they aren't shoving it down your throat (PETA). Oh yeah, most farm is grains/wheat (I live in Kansas, don't argue) and a good portion of that goes to farm animals. So, a lot of those animals that die, die because we need to feed the animals we eat. Don't throw the haverster argument around, its a pile of shit no one should mention, ever. |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 3987/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by Dracoon You can twist it around all you want but the fact is they're still killed. Besides, it's not just grain we're talking about here, it's other crops as well. Besides, most of the grain doesn't go towards livestock anyway, it goes to us. |
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||bass Programmer Admin Level: 44 Posts: 432/817 EXP: 570813 For next: 40472 Since: 03-15-04 From: Salem, Connecticut Since last post: 26 days Last activity: 11 days |
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| I should also point out that the grain that gets fed to farm animals isn't the same grain that gets fed to humans. The grain for animals tends to be the same cource-as-rocks, not fit for human consumption grain that otherwise would be useless. | |||
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Grey the Stampede Don't mess with powers you don't understand. And yes. That means donuts. Level: 82 Posts: 2341/3770 EXP: 5192909 For next: 16318 Since: 06-17-04 From: Kingston, RI, USA, Earth Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| So if that crap grain were cut entirely from the market, would it produce a drop in harvester deaths? | |||
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Slay Level: 25 Posts: 114/339 EXP: 85592 For next: 4028 Since: 04-28-05 From: Threshold Between Heaven and Hell Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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The Grey says... Indeed. I was just adding my own comment on the situation. Anyone who looks at the rest of that website, or even the front page, can see how radical and sanctimonious it is. The Darth Legious says... I once talked with a vegan who explained to me a rather unique viewpoint. "Cow milk is intended for cows, goat milk is intended for goats, human milk is intended for humans." An argument of logic, rather than misplaced morals. |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 4030/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| You know...slightly off topic, at first thought of "human milk" I thought of something gross. Then it dawned on me that there is a such thing as human milk. I've been on the internet way too fucking long.  |
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Okilian Red Goomba Level: 10  Posts: 6/43 EXP: 3290 For next: 1124 Since: 06-19-05 From: Ohio Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| I've met a number of vegans, and personally...I love a steak. I do eat sensibly, but at the same time, don't just stick to one part of the pyramid. I believe that a majority of vegans are only there to promote a somewhat over extravaggant idea (like conditions for animals.) If they would look more into the idea, they would see the strides now made by a majority of dairy farms to be clean and sanitary... Eat right, eat some meat. |
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paraplayer Snifit Level: 22  Posts: 111/280 EXP: 57271 For next: 1079 Since: 06-06-05 Since last post: 44 days Last activity: 44 days |
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| I tend to treat meat like wine. Eat it pretty rarely and when your not eating meat stick to alternatives such as eggs. (An egg is an alternative right?) Anyways about Vegens. Not eating meat is fantastic and you can adjust your diet without meat pretty succesfully. But i don't see what's wrong with drinking milk. Then again look at mario. He lives off mushrooms. |
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Danielle Local Moderator  Level: 76  Posts: 421/3359 EXP: 3958078 For next: 47982 Since: 09-15-04 From: RATE Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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I don't quite understand what the big deal is. If someone wants to be vegan, let them. It's their life. If you want to eat meat, great! Eat enough for you and the vegan, kay?  At my school, there's a senior who's a vegan. Basically, just because of his diet, he became the most popular kid in school. Mikey the Vegan. Everyone knew Mikey the Vegan. For his senior quote, he said "It's amazing how I'm well known only because of my diet style. Stop calling me Mikey the Vegan. Thanks." To each his own, right? |
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paraplayer Snifit Level: 22 Posts: 123/280 EXP: 57271 For next: 1079 Since: 06-06-05 Since last post: 44 days Last activity: 44 days |
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| I agree. Really it's only when a Vegen starts randomly starts critizising people for eating meat and killing helpless animals. This one person i know all the sudden started yelling at me through her teeth for eating meat. It was all the sudden and i was sorta shocked. I was pretty pissed... |
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