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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 2621/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| http://news4colorado.com/localnews/local_s..._087110809.html Bill Lets Doctors, Nurses Refuse To Treat Homosexuals Mar 28, 2003 9:07 am US/Mountain DENVER (AP) State representatives have removed a provision protecting gays and lesbians from discrimination by health care workers. Rep. Don Lee, a Jefferson County Republican, took a run-of-the-mill measure dealing with agency regulations and amended it to remove protection for gays under rules set by the Medical Services Board. It was approved by the House Thursday. *snip* An angry Rep. Jennifer Veiga, a Denver Democrat and House minority leader, said Lee's approach also would allow for discriminating against people who are older, believe in a certain religion, belong to an ethnic group or have a physical disability. ( (edited by Ziffski on 04-17-05 04:08 PM) |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38  Posts: 540/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| I'm generally for the rights of private firms to discriminate, even if it's stupid like this. It should also be noted that hospitals wouldn't be able to discriminate in emergency situations. You aren't going to have gay people dying because they need to be taken to far-away hospitals. | |||
alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 3638/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| I just REALLY don't like this, because more than a few nutters are going to push the boundaries and really hurt people. This goes beyond gays, too. This can easily turn into racist or other forms of prejudice. Although I find it funny that neo-NAZIs wanted things like this pushed through in the mid-80s to mid-90s (when they just kinda went kapootz) and ironically, the bill is Senate Bill 88. 88 being a neo-NAZI call sign. |
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 7930/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| I think it does set a dangerous precedent, but note that the article said that the doctors can still be sued - just not on the basis of discrimination. So you're not going to see many doctors using this law to its fullest extent, because sooner or later they'll end up ticking off the wrong person. | |||
iamhiro1112 Armos Level: 35  Posts: 395/487 EXP: 259927 For next: 20009 Since: 03-27-04 From: sd Since last post: 18 days Last activity: 7 days |
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| I can see certain things. Like Allowing Pharmasists to not fill Birth Control prescriptions. But I don't see how treating gays in hospitals can conflict with beliefs. It's not like by treating them you are enabling their lifestyle. I think the bill is kinda silly. I'd like to see the doctors reasoning to not treat gays. | |||
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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 2694/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by iamhiro1112 What basis do you have for allowing pharmacists to deny patients of birth control pills?  I mean, a Hindu waiter can't refuse to serve meat at a restraunt and expect to keep a job... why would a pharmacist be any different with birth control?EDIT: i.e. you should go into a job knowing what is expected of you, and if it conflicts with your beliefs, you should not go into that field. Pharmacists are here to serve the public, not to protect themselves from their own hell or eternal damnation that they may or may not believe in. (edited by Admiral Kefbar on 04-20-05 04:21 PM) |
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windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61  Posts: 1426/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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| I think he's referring to "I see how [x] can get away with not giving out birth control pills because of their religion" rather than "I see why that's legal". | |||
drjayphd Beamos What's that spell? pimp! Level: 56  Posts: 965/1477 EXP: 1387410 For next: 10766 Since: 03-15-04 From: CT Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Even then, though, a pharmacist, say, provides a public service. A REALLY FUCKING IMPORTANT one, too. When we're talking about public health, you kind of forfeit any opportunity to do your job according to your own morals. You suck it up and be a professional, or if birth control/EC is that repugnant, you find another line of work. It's that simple. Pharmacists, who are the big examples here (kind of like how discussions of gay rights/marriage/etc. inevitably conjure up images of sweaty man-sex) will be doing their communities a grave disservice if morals were allowed to interfere in the job. You get a prescription, you fill the fucking thing. (edited by drjayphd on 04-22-05 07:18 PM) |
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iamhiro1112 Armos Level: 35 Posts: 412/487 EXP: 259927 For next: 20009 Since: 03-27-04 From: sd Since last post: 18 days Last activity: 7 days |
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Originally posted by Admiral KefbarOriginally posted by iamhiro1112 Well, they obviously go into medicine because they are looking to help people. As in heal and treat their ailments. Birth Control pills aren't neccessary to keep one alive. And besides, to some pharmasists they feel that this is actually a form of abortion and pro lifers ain't into abortion. It shouldn't be mandated that they have to assist in what they feel is abortion. Besides, the people can just ask the pharmasist next to him to fill their birth control perscription and it's cool. There is usually more than one pharmasist working at drug stores. |
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drjayphd Beamos What's that spell? pimp! Level: 56 Posts: 968/1477 EXP: 1387410 For next: 10766 Since: 03-15-04 From: CT Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by iamhiro1112Originally posted by Admiral KefbarOriginally posted by iamhiro1112 Unless the pharmacist in question IS the only one there. And he won't refer you to another pharmacy. Nor will he give you your prescription back. (Yes, this has actually happened. Back when I first heard about these bills.) Sure, you can go back to your doctor to get another one, but that's an unnecessary expense. The pharmacist's job is not to decide what medication you need. That's what the doctor is for. Birth control pills are prescribed for other purposes, ya know, like treating endometriosis. Is that on the prescription? It may not be, as far as I know, not being the proud owner of a uterus and all. So as far as they know, you might actually be getting it for non-birth control reasons. |
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The SomerZ Summer, yay! Level: 45  Posts: 707/862 EXP: 618182 For next: 41982 Since: 03-15-04 From: Norway Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 3 hours |
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| Isn't it funny how people who generally push for pharmasists' rights to not give people birth control are often the same people who claim that one should be allowed to buy guns anywhere and for whatever reasons? |
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 9449/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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I wonder why we would need guns in a "civilised country"  .(and sorry for that small offtopic sentance)I only heard of the opposite here luckily, and that's patients don't wanting treatment from the docter/nurse becuse of his/her skin colour or relgion. And why don't you have the full URL? And how the hell would Nurses and Doctors see if someone is gay? Well, ok if the person is question is in a relationships it maybe shows up in the journals... |
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Ran-chan Moldorm eek, when are they going to stop growing... Level: 143  Posts: 9222/12781 EXP: 35293588 For next: 538220 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima District, Tokyo - Japan Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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| This is plain discrimination. One of my old classmates is gay and it |
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